White Privilege, White Entitlement and the 2008 Election

[jundp 191]

with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

Umm, there's a disparity in age between the typical white teen pregnancy and those of "color"......Those of color are getting pregnant in their pre-teens in far greater numbers than whites.....as young as 12......

Abslolutely not true.

i'm charles, and i'm ashamed to be white.

is that what people want to hear?

White Guilt mentioned by a conservative : check

just thought i'd get a good seat on the white guilt bandwagon, beat the rush

Hey, join me!!! But only if you want to be a part of the snarky and b!tchey bandwagon too, Charles. Oh wait you already are

the white guilt bandwagon follows the aa bus around.

The alcoholics anonymous bus?!

[alienlovechild 75]

Strange. When the wants are the potential establishment of programs that are targeted and designed to follow up (something previous programs completely lacked) to actually combat the endless cycle of poverty, and people vote for it, it tends to allow one to conclude that their establishment and implementation are done so out of a voter's mandate. Not the whims of a President. Having had Bush in office we should be able to tell the difference between attempting to follow through on a voter mandate versus just following through on what that one person in office seems to think is 'right.'

Bush winning two presidential elections is more of a voter mandate than your philosophical doubletalk. Bush was hardly a conservative on spending on entitlement programs so even the voter mandate for less government was thwarted.

But here's the cookie- those tax breaks increase solvency for many out there to be able to nudge upwards by using that cash for actual upward mobility via education, etc.

Oh really? A $1000 bucks is nothing compared to government spending per student and I'd love to see the stats that state a big of tax cuts to poor go to spending on education.

Obama also has other proposals to address those mechanisms of poverty elimination. But again, their implementation will depend on how quickly we leave Iraq ($$) and how quickly the beneficiaries enter tax brackets that provide a return on the investments given to them via tax cuts and other government services designed to eliminate poverty.

Never heard of the Great Society programs before? Iraq isn't the only matter considering Congress blew $700 billion within the last week.

Again... to break that entrenched underclass you mention- there have to be accountable benchmarks in place for the programs to work. I doubt that in a period of financial crisis we're going to have money thrown at people (money that has never really been thrown anyway). Somehow I really, really doubt that Republicans and Democrats will simply stand idle while an Obama Administration squanders money on Americans that need it. I mean, at least most Democrats decided late in the game to limit the squandering of American funds in the Middle East for no apparent reason other than to throw a Hail Mary pass towards a fictitious military victory that is less and less possible.

You mean like the benchmarks for loans on homes? More people owned homes but it helped break the financial back of the country. If you think Congress is going to grow a spine and control spending you haven't been watching the news. The Dems will have no reason to make Obama accountable and the GOP won't have the power to much of anything to stop him. Victory is very possible after already meeting most of the benchmarks laid out. Obama's war in Afghanistan is supposed to accomplish little beyond giving him cover that he's doing something to combat terrorism.

Edited October 7, 2008 by alienlovechild

[Heracles 417]

It is funny to see this article actually. Just today I was driving and noticed a black guy in a nice new Bentley Continental GT, approx $180,000. I thought to myself, funny how when someone black does well then it is perceived as black power. Yet when someone black is poor, than the white man is to blame and they are a product of segregation and slavery. "God daaaaaaaaaaaammmmnnnn Ammeeeriiiccca!" n'shlt..

Six is a #### so he obviously will not acknowledge this.

Edited October 7, 2008 by Aficionado

[IAMX 3,055]

Did anyone have any doubts as to rampant white privilege????

Bah!

Thanks for that article...although I admit I only read a bit of it and could not go on.

i've seen people on here saying that white privilege isn't an issue. of course they are probably all white, rich, men.

Another 100% spot on.

This is just too funny.

HAY GUYS. SHAQ IS RICH. THERE IS NO WHITE PRIVILEGE. :o

Edited October 7, 2008 by SRVT

[rocks 494]

Did anyone have any doubts as to rampant white privilege????

Bah!

Thanks for that article...although I admit I only read a bit of it and could not go on.

i've seen people on here saying that white privilege isn't an issue. of course they are probably all white, rich, men.

Another 100% spot on.

This is just too funny.

HAY GUYS. SHAQ IS RICH. THERE IS NO WHITE PRIVILEGE. :o

ya, white people have been so oppressed through history!

[HAL 9000 96]

Strange. When the wants are the potential establishment of programs that are targeted and designed to follow up (something previous programs completely lacked) to actually combat the endless cycle of poverty, and people vote for it, it tends to allow one to conclude that their establishment and implementation are done so out of a voter's mandate. Not the whims of a President. Having had Bush in office we should be able to tell the difference between attempting to follow through on a voter mandate versus just following through on what that one person in office seems to think is 'right.'

Bush winning two presidential elections is more of a voter mandate than your philosophical doubletalk. Bush was hardly a conservative on spending on entitlement programs so even the voter mandate for less government was thwarted.

But here's the cookie- those tax breaks increase solvency for many out there to be able to nudge upwards by using that cash for actual upward mobility via education, etc.

Oh really? A $1000 bucks is nothing compared to government spending per student and I'd love to see the stats that state a big of tax cuts to poor go to spending on education.

Obama also has other proposals to address those mechanisms of poverty elimination. But again, their implementation will depend on how quickly we leave Iraq ($) and how quickly the beneficiaries enter tax brackets that provide a return on the investments given to them via tax cuts and other government services designed to eliminate poverty.

Never heard of the Great Society programs before? Iraq isn't the only matter considering Congress blew $700 billion within the last week.

Again... to break that entrenched underclass you mention- there have to be accountable benchmarks in place for the programs to work. I doubt that in a period of financial crisis we're going to have money thrown at people (money that has never really been thrown anyway). Somehow I really, really doubt that Republicans and Democrats will simply stand idle while an Obama Administration squanders money on Americans that need it. I mean, at least most Democrats decided late in the game to limit the squandering of American funds in the Middle East for no apparent reason other than to throw a Hail Mary pass towards a fictitious military victory that is less and less possible.

You mean like the benchmarks for loans on homes? More people owned homes but it helped break the financial back of the country. If you think Congress is going to grow a spine and control spending you haven't been watching the news. The Dems will have no reason to make Obama accountable and the GOP won't have the power to much of anything to stop him. Victory is very possible after already meeting most of the benchmarks laid out. Obama's war in Afghanistan is supposed to accomplish little beyond giving him cover that he's doing something to combat terrorism.

And yet Bush has approval ratings, war and domestic issues, exactly where? And no, I'm not talking right now as a result or perception of the current financial crisis. These numbers went to sh!t pretty much after he decided to play mad cowboy and rearrange the US government and send troops to die in a war that had nothing to do with its well publicized reasons. I guess trying to convince you of that is pointless though. Philosophical or not as it may be to you. It does seem that you wish to distort your argument though.

As a former school teacher in Florida, I can tell you that the per student expenditure was in the $4000 per year range. 2001-2004. Maybe its more. Maybe less. And Florida has no state income tax, which means that with additional funds, they could have invested even more on a per student basis. Now, what was that? $1000 additional funds? Well, that is only one amount. Obama's proposal states that many more people could be looking at even more money returned. Read that in any newspaper if you like.

You are once again confusing past history with proposed programs and the probable eventuality that future programs would be regulated much differently than before. See previous posts.

As for these benchmarks you mention, again, FAIL. Benchmarks are only good if the criteria they use to establish them set about financial solvency so that both clients and providers do not flop. As has been the case now with the major problem brought about through profit-driven deregulation above a strong market.We should be focusing on accountability as a principle, not as a political excuse to blame people of other political inclinations.

Finally, the war... joy. Obama has clearly stated a link between Al Qaeda (9-11, remember?) and Afghanistan. Hence his comments on ending that war when the Al Qaeda casuality factor is addressed. The rest I suspect he'd probably deal with like a real head of state should- through actual diplomacy (not the Big Stick or Gunboat type)and more so, through INTELLIGENCE.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It is funny to see this article actually. Just today I was driving and noticed a black guy in a nice new Bentley Continental GT, approx $180,000. I thought to myself, funny how when someone black does well then it is perceived as black power. Yet when someone black is poor, than the white man is to blame and they are a product of segregation and slavery. "God daaaaaaaaaaaammmmnnnn Ammeeeriiiccca!" n'shlt..

Six is a #### so he obviously will not acknowledge this.

Your baiting gets more desperate all the time.

Suffice to say - that no, this is not what I think.

[HAL 9000 96]

[Heracles 417]

ya, white people have been so oppressed through history!

Well my ancestors where slaves for over 363 years under the ottoman empire. Then Australians where exiled to death by PD and PH's ancestors. Australians where also tortured to death in Australia by England.

As well as the fact that white Americans were also brought here as slaves and had to serve their masters in servitude.

Does this count?

Edited October 7, 2008 by Aficionado

[HAL 9000 96]

BY I thought you were black!

[rocks 494]

ya, white people have been so oppressed through history!

Well my ancestors where slaves for over 363 years under the ottoman empire. Then Australians where exiled to death by PD and PH's ancestors. Australians where also tortured to death in Australia by England.

As well as the fact that white Americans were also brought here as slaves and had to serve their masters in servitude.

Does this count?

lol, ok. if you want to get #######, my family were persecuted by catholics, chased out of their own country and forced to be refugees. it is still not comparable to slavery, racism and black oppression... do you suffer racism due to being australian? in paris if you are black you can't even get a cab. and lets not start talk about aborigines.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

i have come to the conclusion that if someone votes republican it is for one of two reasons. either they don't think they should pay their fair share of taxes or are badly educated.

more stereotyping

[rocks 494]

i have come to the conclusion that if someone votes republican it is for one of two reasons. either they don't think they should pay their fair share of taxes or are badly educated.

more stereotyping

not at all.

[jundp 191]

(I'm a white, Southern, Catholic girl....I'm pretty much free of oppression)

(and I don't have White Guilt)

(and I also believe that racial inequality exists in this country and that it is extreme on both sides by some people)

[rocks 494]

(I'm a white, Southern, Catholic girl....I'm pretty much free of oppression)

quit oppressing me!