White Privilege, White Entitlement and the 2008 Election

[*JG* 2]

Yes we've heard the old Affirmative Action spiel and White Guilt bull ####### a lot haven't we?

Amen.

[Heracles 417]

the money and welfare is not enough to stop people if they have had poor parenting, which is all too common in rich households. i've seen parents who have no input with their children, they just purchase them expensive gifts and give them endless supplies of money in the hope of this keeping their child happy, but this does not constitute being a good parent if you do not back it up with anything. all this does is produce spoiled children who become adults and think that they can do what they want. this really is the root of a lot of problems. do you think that it's the parents that now require extra education on how to parent their children?

Yes, there should be some sort of test for parents to take because many clearly do not get what it means to be a parent in 2008. I know quite a few teachers and they can vouch for this first hand.

Money does not fix issues. Otherwise Africa would have been the richest continent in the world considering the hundreds of billions sent there. The problem I have is that people refuse to accept that certain cultures / communities have a problem with crime. Anyone who thinks education is going to fix something like the drug problems, gangs of inner city African American communities is on crack themselves.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

the money and welfare is not enough to stop people if they have had poor parenting, which is all too common in rich households. i've seen parents who have no input with their children, they just purchase them expensive gifts and give them endless supplies of money in the hope of this keeping their child happy, but this does not constitute being a good parent if you do not back it up with anything. all this does is produce spoiled children who become adults and think that they can do what they want. this really is the root of a lot of problems. do you think that it's the parents that now require extra education on how to parent their children?

Yes, there should be some sort of test for parents to take because many clearly do not get what it means to be a parent in 2008. I know quite a few teachers and they can vouch for this first hand.

Money does not fix issues. Otherwise Africa would have been the richest continent in the world considering the hundreds of billions sent there. The problem I have is that people refuse to accept that certain cultures / communities have a problem with crime. Anyone who thinks education is going to fix something like the drug problems, gangs of inner city African American communities is on crack themselves.

What I don't understand is why you insist on fixating on culture as though "its so obvious". Cultural norms are informed by all kinds of things - and in most cases these things are interrelated. If you are interested in real solutions you need to address real issues. There's no solution in slamming people for "bad culture", you can't ignore the things that create poor conditions, and which inform the way people behave.

[rocks 494]

the money and welfare is not enough to stop people if they have had poor parenting, which is all too common in rich households. i've seen parents who have no input with their children, they just purchase them expensive gifts and give them endless supplies of money in the hope of this keeping their child happy, but this does not constitute being a good parent if you do not back it up with anything. all this does is produce spoiled children who become adults and think that they can do what they want. this really is the root of a lot of problems. do you think that it's the parents that now require extra education on how to parent their children?

Yes, there should be some sort of test for parents to take because many clearly do not get what it means to be a parent in 2008. I know quite a few teachers and they can vouch for this first hand.

Money does not fix issues. Otherwise Africa would have been the richest continent in the world considering the hundreds of billions sent there. The problem I have is that people refuse to accept that certain cultures / communities have a problem with crime. Anyone who thinks education is going to fix something like the drug problems, gangs of inner city African American communities is on crack themselves.

it isn't about testing, everyone should have the right to have children if they want to. the point is that they must be held accountable for their child's upbringing and their behavior, which currently they are not. i think compulsory parenting classes would be better.

crime doesn't come out of nowhere. we aren't born with the desire to steal, it comes from bad upbringing. same with drug problems, gangs, anything you want to name, it always goes back to what their home life was like. not everyone who comes from a bad home turns out to be an a$$.

edit, oops no cussing

Edited October 8, 2008 by rocks

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I suspect I have an idea what some of these "successful strategies which have been used overseas but would probably be branded as racist here" might be.

China's one-child policy?

Forced sterilization?

I hope not...

[Peikko 1,575]

There is just no hope for BY. He believes that there is some cultural component, irrespective of conditions, that mean that Africans (or black people) are unable to help themselves when it comes to certain types of behaviour.

After all, we have thrown so much cash at Africa, they should be living like kings by now.

[rocks 494]

I suspect I have an idea what some of these "successful strategies which have been used overseas but would probably be branded as racist here" might be.

China's one-child policy?

Forced sterilization?

I hope not...

ya, sweden had a lovely policy on sterilization up until very recently

everyone has the right to have a child, if they so want.

[mawilson 2,133]

Pro human here. Nuff said.

What's that?

Anti-stupid and/or anti-selfish. Something like that.

You can't be pro-human and anti-stupid.

[Amby 490]

Pro human here. Nuff said.

What's that?

Anti-stupid and/or anti-selfish. Something like that.

You can't be pro-human and anti-stupid.

I actually have tears in my eyes

[Heracles 417]

There is just no hope for BY. He believes that there is some cultural component, irrespective of conditions, that mean that Africans (or black people) are unable to help themselves when it comes to certain types of behaviour.

After all, we have thrown so much cash at Africa, they should be living like kings by now.

One has to tackle the issues at hand, do they not? Would you be able to function if you had to worry about being raped, mugged, attacked or killed on a daily basis?

Oh I forgot education will fix this.

"After all", as usual, you do not know what you are taking about yet continue to use cryptic bull ####### and witty insults to make up for it.

Edited October 8, 2008 by Aficionado

[Heracles 417]

I suspect I have an idea what some of these "successful strategies which have been used overseas but would probably be branded as racist here" might be.

China's one-child policy?

Forced sterilization?

I hope not...

No lets educate them. Are you volunteering to go into these communities, round up the people and then "educate them"..

[rocks 494]

There is just no hope for BY. He believes that there is some cultural component, irrespective of conditions, that mean that Africans (or black people) are unable to help themselves when it comes to certain types of behaviour.

After all, we have thrown so much cash at Africa, they should be living like kings by now.

i'm wondering what all this cash that has been thrown at africa is? there sure isn't enough aid money going there. paying for diamonds doesn't count as throwing money at them, nor does underpaying for chocolate. there's 50 countries in africa, i'm sure that individually they don't receive as much as they should compared to other countries in receipt of aid. i also don't see governments trying to do much about the volume of corruption there. look at mugabe....

my theory on africa is no government or company really wants to help it out so that when the rest of the world is destroyed there is one continent that we can all go to that is relatively untouched, and start again after all, we are all african, right? hehe

[HAL 9000 96]

i guess my original point was targeted at die hard republicans who won't budge on anything, rednecks. there's a lot here (in the deep south). i don't think for a second that anyone who comes on here falls into that category.

i've met quite a few "rednecks" (which btw i consider to be a disparaging term) who are strongly democratic.

you think it's disparaging? have you been to the south? just an hour ago i saw a truck drive by with the word REDNECK across the windshield. it is very very common here, people are proud of it.

you must be new here.

and if you watch how that word is thrown around in vj, it's used to look down on a group of people.

i am, and i don't mean it to be offensive, it's a fact of life down here. all those people with "redneck" on their trucks and with t-shirts and stuff (there's a lot of em) will most likely be voting for mccain even though voting for a woman is totally against their morals (as i have heard from some of them). i'm not a big fan of these people as i am sure they are not of me either. i don't look down on them though, they're people just like you and me.

fyi - i'm from texas. that's why i got a major laugh outta the "have you been to the south"

so why do you find it disparaging? i find those people and their comments disparaging to be perfectly honest, but that is how it is here.

do a search on the term "redneck" in vj ot and see how it's used. you'll see the light.

Would you like a hankerchief?

All the while, racism continues to be a problem. We fixate on the small things- either out of disingenousness or out of ignorance.

just pointing out to other users how that word is used around here. i'll pass on the hankerchief and opt for the beer though. so why are you fixating on my educating other users?

More fixated on getting to the root causes here, Charles, not bickering over two wrongs. BUT, I'll definitely join you on that beer.

[HAL 9000 96]

There is just no hope for BY. He believes that there is some cultural component, irrespective of conditions, that mean that Africans (or black people) are unable to help themselves when it comes to certain types of behaviour.

After all, we have thrown so much cash at Africa, they should be living like kings by now.

No kidding. Really. So where has all that cash gone? I'm sure somebody is profiting somewhere.

Pro human here. Nuff said.

What's that?

Anti-stupid and/or anti-selfish. Something like that.

You can't be pro-human and anti-stupid.

I guess then, that it becomes an issue of whom deserves to be called human.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I suspect I have an idea what some of these "successful strategies which have been used overseas but would probably be branded as racist here" might be.

China's one-child policy?

Forced sterilization?

I hope not...

No lets educate them. Are you volunteering to go into these communities, round up the people and then "educate them"..

Who said anything about "rounding people up" to "educate" them?

Besides, what your problem with education?