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[ginger1981 0]

These days it is usually more like 5 years of college...I had to have 128 credit hours to graduate college. Unless you take 17 credit hours every semester it is nearly impossible to do.

Also, remember in the UK you graduate high school at 16, then have 2 years of college (which in the US is basically equivelent to getting an Associate's Degree from a vocational school). Then you have 3 years of university. Basically in the UK you have 5 years of education that in the US we would typically combine into 4 years at a university.

well, i completed the last two years of highschool (16-18) in under one year at community college... so i guess that's four years, but i never returned to community college after that... that would just be weird?

Comparing the US and UK systems is like apples and oranges! My husband and I have had many a conversation discussing how to portray his education background on his resume and in interviews with potential employers.

Nah, that's just not weird. What is weird is Sarah Palin giving a shout out during a vice presidential debate!

[rocks 494]

These days it is usually more like 5 years of college...I had to have 128 credit hours to graduate college. Unless you take 17 credit hours every semester it is nearly impossible to do.

Also, remember in the UK you graduate high school at 16, then have 2 years of college (which in the US is basically equivelent to getting an Associate's Degree from a vocational school). Then you have 3 years of university. Basically in the UK you have 5 years of education that in the US we would typically combine into 4 years at a university.

well, i completed the last two years of highschool (16-18) in under one year at community college... so i guess that's four years, but i never returned to community college after that... that would just be weird?

Comparing the US and UK systems is like apples and oranges! My husband and I have had many a conversation discussing how to portray his education background on his resume and in interviews with potential employers.

Nah, that's just not weird. What is weird is Sarah Palin giving a shout out during a vice presidential debate!

i know you cant compare, it is just weird to me that a "degree" isn't the same universally, but i know shouldn't expect anything less from the world, that would make life too easy!

i'm seriously interested in what result she got though. after spending five years studying she had better be top of the class. what a failure.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

My point is only that she is a Republican who is arguably more intellegent, poised, skilled and has a measure of respect on the international stage. Doesn't mean that I agree with her viewpoints True she is forever linked with the Bush administration but I don't think she has ever come across as an evil scheming crony as much as Cheney, Rumsfeld down to the Delays and Santorums (RIP) of the party have.

I agree with you on Condi being more intelligent than Palin - but I think what this is about is perceptions. McCain has already been slammed for voting with GWB 90% of the time, a few months ago he was accepting endorsements from GWB and offers to help campaign for him in the general election. That doesn't seem to have materialized and given how Bush was essentially snubbed by his own party at the convention - it seems fairly clear what's going on.

The GOP wants to pretend that they're all about new ideas, just as the Democrats are pushing the idea that Obama represents "new thinking" (ignoring Obama for a sec - they have a slightly better case for that argument given that they've been out of power for 8 years). McCain can't push that angle if he's hanging an albatross of the previous administration over his neck. The administration is so incredibly unpopular that it would be easier to make claims of Bush III, if Condi were in the running alongside him.

As much as Obama has been derided for having a following that is born out of a cult of personality (though I think this is a simplification for people projecting their own aspirations onto Obama - in regard to what he represents), Palin certainly fits that bill. She somehow "energized" the GOP party at the RNC with little more than some "down-home" folksy talk and anecdotes about her family. More than a few people fell in love with the perception of Palin, the reality less so.

IMHO of course.

Good analysis. I wasn't quite thinking about it from the Bush III angle...I was thinking someone who was more fit for leadership.

So what I am wondering is...say the Republicans get another 4 years of office. How will the GOP utilize her...as a tool for rallying the base? Will she be cloistered from the public?

I guess I just have a hard time understanding how some may think she represents America well on the international stage. She may have been ok as mayor of Wasilla or even governor of Alaska, but I can't imagine her being taken seriously at all by any world leader from what I have seen so far.

Worse Stranger things have happened (GWB), but I'm not convinced that she'd be in the running for the presidency in 4 years if McCain were to win this election. If I am correct in my assessment of why she was selected I rather think she will be pretty much ignored by a McCain government in favor of his old friends and allies - or more likely that she will capitulate with them and go along for the ride.

Not having friends in Washington is not necessarily a good thing, unless you're prepared to play ball with the status quo (given that you need real influence to effect the kind of change and reform that McCain has claimed she will facilitate). In that respect I think Palin's image does little more than put a coat of lipstick on the same dirty GOP pig.

They like the idea of change far more than the reality. In truth - they simply can't imagine doing things any other way.

Edited October 7, 2008 by Paul Daniels

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My point is only that she is a Republican who is arguably more intellegent, poised, skilled and has a measure of respect on the international stage. Doesn't mean that I agree with her viewpoints True she is forever linked with the Bush administration but I don't think she has ever come across as an evil scheming crony as much as Cheney, Rumsfeld down to the Delays and Santorums (RIP) of the party have.

I agree with you on Condi being more intelligent than Palin - but I think what this is about is perceptions. McCain has already been slammed for voting with GWB 90% of the time, a few months ago he was accepting endorsements from GWB and offers to help campaign for him in the general election. That doesn't seem to have materialized and given how Bush was essentially snubbed by his own party at the convention - it seems fairly clear what's going on.

The GOP wants to pretend that they're all about new ideas, just as the Democrats are pushing the idea that Obama represents "new thinking" (ignoring Obama for a sec - they have a slightly better case for that argument given that they've been out of power for 8 years). McCain can't push that angle if he's hanging an albatross of the previous administration over his neck. The administration is so incredibly unpopular that it would be easier to make claims of Bush III, if Condi were in the running alongside him.

As much as Obama has been derided for having a following that is born out of a cult of personality (though I think this is a simplification for people projecting their own aspirations onto Obama - in regard to what he represents), Palin certainly fits that bill. She somehow "energized" the GOP party at the RNC with little more than some "down-home" folksy talk and anecdotes about her family. More than a few people fell in love with the perception of Palin, the reality less so.

IMHO of course.

Good analysis. I wasn't quite thinking about it from the Bush III angle...I was thinking someone who was more fit for leadership.

So what I am wondering is...say the Republicans get another 4 years of office. How will the GOP utilize her...as a tool for rallying the base? Will she be cloistered from the public?

I guess I just have a hard time understanding how some may think she represents America well on the international stage. She may have been ok as mayor of Wasilla or even governor of Alaska, but I can't imagine her being taken seriously at all by any world leader from what I have seen so far.

Worse Stranger things have happened (GWB), but I'm not convinced that she'd be in the running for the presidency in 4 years if McCain were to win this election. If I am correct in my assessment of why she was selected I rather think she will be pretty much ignored by a McCain government in favor of his old friends and allies - or more likely that she will capitulate with them and go along for the ride.

Not having friends in Washington is not necessarily a good thing, unless you're prepared to play ball with the status quo (given that you need real influence to effect the kind of change and reform that McCain has claimed she will facilitate). In that respect I think Palin's image does little more than put a coat of lipstick on the same dirty GOP pig.

They like the idea of change far more than the reality. In truth - they simply can't imagine doing things any other way.

i haven't heard one thing they're going to change other than taxes... everyone does that... is that it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's what few people latched onto from the debate. McCain introduced her as a "Maverick" who he couldn't wait to introduce to Washington when he goes on his big anti-pork crusade. Yet she ignored the question that have given her the best opportunity to talk about that issue.

Sure she said a bunch of times that her and McCain are mavericks - but again - this is something you demonstrate with maverick ideas, not with unsubstantiated self-advertising.

As I said - lip service.

[ginger1981 0]

Worse Stranger things have happened (GWB), but I'm not convinced that she'd be in the running for the presidency in 4 years if McCain were to win this election. If I am correct in my assessment of why she was selected I rather think she will be pretty much ignored by a McCain government in favor of his old friends and allies - or more likely that she will capitulate with them and go along for the ride.

Not having friends in Washington is not necessarily a good thing, unless you're prepared to play ball with the status quo (given that you need real influence to effect the kind of change and reform that McCain has claimed she will facilitate). In that respect I think Palin's image does little more than put a coat of lipstick on the same dirty GOP pig.

They like the idea of change far more than the reality. In truth - they simply can't imagine doing things any other way.

I think the GOP has realized how much the majority of Americans want change and that there is no way of winning with at least having a veneer of change painted on the ticket.

Sarah Palin's about as far outside the establishment as you can get...you are right that will be detrimental to her effectiveness if she would get elected. However it looks like she is happy enough already playing a marionette to the GOP elite so I would venture to guess she would probably be happy enough continuing that role. If she is really emphatic about making changes....well she is in for a crash course in Washington style politics and I doubt they are going to care too much about how things got done in Wasilla or Juneau. This is reality, not Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.

[SpiritAlight 1]

People people people

allow me to prove to you how misogynistic this thread is, and many of you are "guilty":

when was the last you heard or said, "He is an embarrassment to all men."

I rest my case.

Time for a snacky poo as a reward to me.

Edited October 7, 2008 by SpiritAlight

[ginger1981 0]

People people people

allow me to prove to you how misogynistic this thread is, and many of you are "guilty":

when was the last you heard or said, "He is an embarrassment to all men."

I rest my case.

Time for a snacky poo as a reward to me.

I'm sure that has been said a few times with Bush...

[SpiritAlight 1]

People people people

allow me to prove to you how misogynistic this thread is, and many of you are "guilty":

when was the last you heard or said, "He is an embarrassment to all men."

I rest my case.

Time for a snacky poo as a reward to me.

I'm sure that has been said a few times with Bush...

Hee, hee, I believe I have made my point though.

Zoom out every one and look at the big picture.

[ginger1981 0]

People people people

allow me to prove to you how misogynistic this thread is, and many of you are "guilty":

when was the last you heard or said, "He is an embarrassment to all men."

I rest my case.

Time for a snacky poo as a reward to me.

I'm sure that has been said a few times with Bush...

Hee, hee, I believe I have made my point though.

Zoom out every one and look at the big picture.

Oh jeez now you bring our minds in the gutter

[SpiritAlight 1]

People people people

allow me to prove to you how misogynistic this thread is, and many of you are "guilty":

when was the last you heard or said, "He is an embarrassment to all men."

I rest my case.

Time for a snacky poo as a reward to me.

I'm sure that has been said a few times with Bush...

Hee, hee, I believe I have made my point though.

Zoom out every one and look at the big picture.

Oh jeez now you bring our minds in the gutter

Explanation por favor...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

when was the last you heard or said, "He is an embarrassment to all men."

ED commercials

[Chica Yeyé 41]

This whole thread is stupid. Really.

[ginger1981 0]

People people people

allow me to prove to you how misogynistic this thread is, and many of you are "guilty":

when was the last you heard or said, "He is an embarrassment to all men."

I rest my case.

Time for a snacky poo as a reward to me.

I'm sure that has been said a few times with Bush...

Hee, hee, I believe I have made my point though.

Zoom out every one and look at the big picture.

Oh jeez now you bring our minds in the gutter

Explanation por favor...

key word...."Bush"

[SpiritAlight 1]

People people people

allow me to prove to you how misogynistic this thread is, and many of you are "guilty":

when was the last you heard or said, "He is an embarrassment to all men."

I rest my case.

Time for a snacky poo as a reward to me.

I'm sure that has been said a few times with Bush...

Hee, hee, I believe I have made my point though.

Zoom out every one and look at the big picture.

Oh jeez now you bring our minds in the gutter

Explanation por favor...

key word...."Bush"

Hmmm...

when was the last you heard or said, "He is an embarrassment to all men."

ED commercials

I don't have a TV!

Is this on YouTube?

This whole thread is stupid. Really.

I concur, baby!