Are women their own worst enemies..

[metta 0]

I noted a comment made in another thread "http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=154992&view=findpost&p=2279889" that says about Palin: "I have absolutely nothing against a woman running the country, just not this woman." I have heard this line from many women in the media both print and broadcast, spouting the same mantra with regard to Hillary Clinton . Here is a woman brilliant , experienced with well- thought out plans for all the momentous issues we are facing now. yet, that mantra was chanted by many women giving stupid reasons like we've had Clintons for so many years, we want a new face da, da, da, da...

It really makes me wonder when will women find the women they like enough to hold hig offices that have been monopolized by men from the very beginning in this country?

Are women their own worst enemies/

here is a comment I lifted from a blog:

I used to watch the first season of the show "The Apprentice". For those of you who may not know this show, I'll quickly outline it: You have 8 male and 8 female candidates who contest to become a Vice President or something like that in one of Donald Trump's companies and each weak one of them gets fired, until only one is left. In the beginning, the eight men were in one group and the eight women were in the other. For four weeks straight, the women won every single task, so that only four men were left in their group. To shake things up, Donald Trump reorganized the groups to 4 women and 2 men each, and all of a sudden the women didn't work together anymore within their group but started sabotaging each others work so that for the next eight weeks the women were fired one after the other. I found it very fascinating to watch how these smart women, who were doing so well originally, would get into these fights once there were men in their groups. It would be interesting to figure out the psychology behind this.

here is also a related article on this :

Why Some Women Hate Sarah Palin By Belinda Luscombe

Some polls are suggesting that after gaining an initial bump, McCain's campaign is being hobbled by Sarah Palin's vice-presidential candidacy. The voters who are deserting her fastest, some of whom are even calling on her to withdraw, are mostly women.Ah, women, the consistently, tragically underestimated constituency. What the Democrats learned during the primaries and the Republicans might now be finding out the hard way, I learned at my very academic, well-regarded all-girls high school: that is never to discount the ability of women to open a robust, committed, well-thought-out vat of hatred for another girl.

Women are weapons-grade haters. Hillary Clinton knows it. Palin knows it too. When women get their hate on, they don't just dislike, or find disfavor with, or sort of not really appreciate. They loathe — deeply, richly, sustainingly. I do not say this to disparage my gender; women also love in more or less the same way.

When men disagree, the steps to resolution are reasonably clear and unsophisticated. Acts of physical violence are visited upon one another's person or property, and the whole thing blows over. Women? Nu-unh. We savor the discord. We draw it out. We share our contempt with our friends, like a useful stock tip, or really good salsa. And then we all go hate together: a mutually encouraging group activity for when the book group gets quiet.

The hatred women have for Sarah Palin, and others had for Hillary before her, is not necessarily about politics. Anybody can run the numbers on how many people Palin's pro-life, pro-gun, socially conservative policies will seduce and how many they will alienate. Rather, the test that the McCain campaign failed to put her through was the Abbotsleigh Ladies College test. (Named after my high school. Go, green and gold!). It's a simple three-point pass-fail exam: Will the other girls like her?

Here's why Palin doesn't make the grade:

1. She's too pretty. This is very bad news. At school, pretty girls tend to be liked only by other pretty girls. The rest of us, whose looks hover somewhere around underwhelming, resent them and whisper archly of their "unearned attention." So, if everyone calls your candidate "hot," you're in a whole mess of trouble. If the Pakistani head-of-state more or less hits on her, well, yes, she'll get a sympathy vote, but we're in Dukakis-in-the-tank territory. It's an admiration vaporizer. (Of course a candidate can't be too ugly, or it will scare the men, who are clearly shallow as a gender.)

2. She's too confident. This also bodes ill. Women have self-esteem issues. But they also have other-women's-esteem issues. As almost any woman — from the head of the Budgerigar Breeders association to Queen Elizabeth — can attest, it's almost impossible to get confidence right. Too timid and you're a pushover. Too self-aggrandizing and you're a bad word unless it's about a dog, or Project Runway's Kenley. Or Michelle, my best friend until 9th grade, after she won that debating prize and got cocky.

3. She could embarrass us. History is not on Palin's side. Every time a woman gets a plum job, be she Hewlett-Packard's ex-boss, Carly Fiorina, or CBS's Katie Couric, there's always that whispery fear that people will think she got the job just because she's a woman. So if things don't go well — and a couple of

have suggested that they're certainly not going well for Palin — women are the first to turn on her for making it harder for the rest of us to louse up at work.

The fact of the matter is once a female decides it's over with another female, it's like an end-stage marriage. No matter how seemingly benign, every attribute becomes an affront: the hair, the voice, the husband, the moose-shooting, the glasses, the big family, the making rape victims pay for their own rape test kits.

I know, I know. With all this extra baggage a female candidate has to bear, the chances of finding a woman whom other women won't hate seem skinnier than last year's jeans. But don't despair, if all else fails, we could just do what we always do and just vote in some guy. It's worked so well for us in the past.

See photos of Sarah Palin on the campaign trail here.

Click here to see Sarah Palin's rise to power.

Watch Sarah Palin, queen of YouTube here.

Edited October 7, 2008 by metta

[Ban Hammer 13,651]

too pretty, too confident. hmmmm

[SpiritAlight 1]

This whole idea/thread is misogynistic.

[metta 0]

This whole idea/thread is misogynistic.

You can label it anything you want but the question is out there staring into your face..

[Krikit 1,165]

The contestants in reality TV are chosen for the entertainment value they will bring to the show. Hardly a good example of brilliant women in the workplace.

Palin doesn't make the grade with intelligent women because she IS an embarrassment, and wholly unprepared for such a high ranking position on the world stage. Looks are subjective.... it's all in the eyes of the beholder. If she is confident (and I don't believe for one moment that she is) it is based solely on a very limited area of experience.... apparently achieved by hanging out with Joe 6-pack at the local soccer games. You know.... maverick style.

Edited October 7, 2008 by Krikit

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Assuming of course that individuals object to Clinton or Palin for purely personal (illogical) reasons, rather than because they simply disagree with their politics.

Its certainly a given that some people object to particular candidates for stupid reasons - and use spurious reasoning to justify it (like the example Paviwar cited the other day about her friend who said that she wouldn't vote for Obama because of his muslim-ness), but I don't think its necessarily representative.

I guess the question is - who are you more interested, people who disagree with the politics or people who simply dislike the candidate for other reasons. Certainly one is an easier target - but...

Edited October 7, 2008 by Paul Daniels

[metta 0]

The contestants in reality TV are chosen for the entertainment value they will bring to the show. Hardly a good example of brilliant women in the workplace.

Palin doesn't make the grade with intelligent women because she IS an embarrassment, and wholly unprepared for such a high ranking position on the world stage. Looks are subjective.... it's all in the eyes of the beholder. If she is confident (and I don't believe for one moment that she is) it is based solely on a very limited area of experience.... apparently achieved by hanging out with Joe 6-pack at the local soccer games. You know.... maverick style.

So, did you support hillary in the primaries? Just curious..

Edited October 7, 2008 by metta

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Sarah who?

[metta 0]

Sarah who?

Dog, you're a misogynist. You don't qualify to answer the question posed in this thread

[Krikit 1,165]

The contestants in reality TV are chosen for the entertainment value they will bring to the show. Hardly a good example of brilliant women in the workplace.

Palin doesn't make the grade with intelligent women because she IS an embarrassment, and wholly unprepared for such a high ranking position on the world stage. Looks are subjective.... it's all in the eyes of the beholder. If she is confident (and I don't believe for one moment that she is) it is based solely on a very limited area of experience.... apparently achieved by hanging out with Joe 6-pack at the local soccer games. You know.... maverick style.

So, did you support hillary in the primaries? Just curious..

I was undecided at first. Until Bill made a fool of himself and made me think about his role as the "first lady" and how that might impact and/or interfere with the business at hand. I thought she was a very strong candidate, though.

[Marilyn. 340]

I have been doing some thinking and I think Hilary would have been a much better candidate for being the president then Obama or McCain....

[sly_wolf 199]

The contestants in reality TV are chosen for the entertainment value they will bring to the show. Hardly a good example of brilliant women in the workplace.

Palin doesn't make the grade with intelligent women because she IS an embarrassment, and wholly unprepared for such a high ranking position on the world stage. Looks are subjective.... it's all in the eyes of the beholder. If she is confident (and I don't believe for one moment that she is) it is based solely on a very limited area of experience.... apparently achieved by hanging out with Joe 6-pack at the local soccer games. You know.... maverick style.

So, did you support hillary in the primaries? Just curious..

I was undecided at first. Until Bill made a fool of himself and made me think about his role as the "first lady" and how that might impact and/or interfere with the business at hand. I thought she was a very strong candidate, though.

The thing that bothered me was that the US presidency was starting to look like Royalty. The Bushes and then the Clintons keeping it all in the family.

Sly

[Niels Bohr 72]

This why women are incompetent to run the country.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Sarah who?

Dog, you're a misogynist. You don't qualify to answer the question posed in this thread

If you label me a misogynist than you would have to be labeled a racist.

[rocks 494]

i can tell you the reason i dislike her is because of her politics. her lack of education and because she is a bumbling idiot.

1) she is NOT that pretty. she's pretty average. plenty of men i know have said that they don't understand why people say she is super hot.

2) confidence should not be confused with resiting rehearsed answers that she cannot back up. just look at how she failed at the vp debate. it is laughable and humiliating that someone so under qualified is running for vp.

3) it's the moose shooting from helicopters, the road to nowhere, her hatred of polar bears, her hatred of the environment and wildlife habitats, her support of drilling for oil and no mention of renewable energy sources, likening herself to a highly dangerous dog that shouldn't even be legal, forcing rape victims pay for their own treatment, the inability to answer a question because she is an idiot, forcing marriage on her teenage daughter but refusing to let gay couples marry even when she said that what people do in their personal lives is none of her business, her lack of knowledge about anything that isn't in alaska and her general lack of knowledge about the world, her lack of travel experience, the fact that she got her first passport recently when she is 44 years old, her lack of experience in politics in general, her idiotic and dangerous threats to invade pakistan and the comments about russia, her accent...

there are so many reasons that people are embarrassed by her, it is not simply because she is a woman it is because she was a bad choice by mccain. everything about her is bad. everything. i am yet to see her represent ONE of my views... this is why many women, including me, don't like her, because she does not represent us. it has nothing to do with some garbage a republican reporter fabricated to try and make her look like she is hard done by.