What Qualifies Obama to be President of the US?

[nowhereman 1]

Let me say it again (ala Biden ):

News flash: Millions of people who will vote for Obama are not liberals. They are from the middle class- Joe six pack & soccer moms as Palin would put it. The vast majority are not elitist, out of touch left wingers. The fraction of the Obama supporters who are far left are balanced out by the far right, so these two groups cancel each other out. Like I have said many times this election will be won or lost by gaining the vote of the non-committed moderates. The mud slinging & rhetoric directed towards the "liberals" on this forum is cartoonish.

Funny how the right wingers won't respond to this fact... it contradicts their (false) belief that all Obama supporters are left wing "sheep". Here's another news flash: If you constantly misrepresent those with different opinions, call them stupid & make assertions that are simply untrue you are worse than being a sheep... you are an ignorant hypocrite.

I've tried, I really have, but some people are completely closed to any ideas but their own. Someone please repost the instructions on how to put someone on ignore.

[Marilyn. 340]

Perhaps the better question is What Qualifications does Obama have that makes you want him to be President of the US?

I want him to be President because Sarah Palin scares the ####### out of me.

It's just Sarah - I have nothing against McCain, he'd make an okay Prez.

Uh, hate to break it to you, but some of the haters-of-Sarah aren't Democrats or Obama supporters. The only thing you're proving here is you need to justify your own vote by bashing Obama voters. You're being no different than what you criticize. But good luck in that getting through to you.

Actually, what I'm proving is that some of you are better at hating someone than you are at explaining why you like someone. Obama is not looking good here so far, and that's not my fault.

Obama is not looking good to YOU.

It's clear most people vote for him because of his views and history of not following Bush. It's clear they vote for him because he represents inclusiveness in voters, unlike Bush who is extremely divisive and his party is involved in trying to wipe voters off the ballot. His foreign policy makes more sense than Bush's, from a logical standpoint of TALKING to people before starting the coarse rhetoric and actions (Russia, Pakistan, Venezuela) that pin countries against us before we even have a chance at dialog. So the "change" mantra comes from this, and this is just a couple issues of many.

However, most will see it as a lost cause that you're really interested in hearing this, and they're right, so they stay away from this topic. It's clear your objectivity rating is pretty much zero.

I should have started the topic.

Uh, hate to break it to you, but some of the haters-of-Sarah aren't Democrats or Obama supporters. The only thing you're proving here is you need to justify your own vote by bashing Obama voters. You're being no different than what you criticize. But good luck in that getting through to you.

Actually, what I'm proving is that some of you are better at hating someone than you are at explaining why you like someone. Obama is not looking good here so far, and that's not my fault.

Classic.... you have shown nothing but contempt for the "dimocrats" and Obama but accuse others of being "better at hating someone than you are at explaining why you like someone". That has to be one of the most hypocritical statements I've seen on this forum (and there are many to choose from). Just

You also completely ignored my post about why many people aren't voting for McCain. He is a shell of his former "maverick" self & many people are turned off by his negative, sleazy & dishonest campaign. Others also disagree with his economic policies & his insistence on carrying on the failed Bush doctrine. For me it's a combination of all three, but mostly because of the trashy campaign McCain has run.

So you want to know what qualifies Obama for being President? How about promoting policies that someone generally agrees with? Like I said before experience is generally an asset, but experience in being wrong not so much.

I don't believe that humans either create or can control global warming because geological history is a hobby of mine, so I'm aware of massive catastrophies over time that did little to destroy the planet. Some may have the ego or the stupidity to believe that we will be the saviors of the earth, but I'm not among them.

I find it interesting that one would think a person either egotistical or stupid to believe that we, as humans, do have the power to change or prevent catastrophe brought upon this earth by over-consumption and human error. While I respect those who are of the opinion that global warming isn't man-made (or at least partially caused by humans), and I applaud your geological historical hobby, I do believe we humans have contributed to the environmental problems of our contemporary world.

I also tend to listen more to my father-in-law, the physicist, and his colleagues, who have spent their lives actively working on this issue, rather than someone whose "hobby" is geological history. Of course, I suppose he's just a crazy liberal (which he is, in fact, not).

And, just to be a smart ###, the qualifications to be president of the US are: natural born US Citizen, 35 years of age, residing in the US for at least 14 years prior to election. Those are the qualifications as stated by our constitution. But I don't think you're asking "qualifications" in that sense, so perhaps you should clarify what you mean? You're asking for something in particular, but hedging the issue, apparently. Why don't you just spell it out?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Just to make it easy, let me offer a clear and simple format for presenting Obama's positive points:

1. I like Obama because _____________________

2. I like Obama because _____________________

3. I like Obama because _____________________

4. I like Obama because _____________________

5. I like Obama because _____________________

6. I like Obama because _____________________

and so on.

I hope that helps.

59 posts, and I still have to remind them what this thread is about.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You folks make lousy spokepersons for your guy, Is this your idea of reasons to vote for a candidate for president? Seriously, these posts say nothing about what he believes in and what you agree with. It is pablum for the passive follower. I am not a passive follower.

Nothing substantive here. They express neblus platitudes and concepts. I am seeking concrete policy positions and values. Give em up or I can legitimately conclude that he is being promoted by sheep who don't know anything much about him. Period.

Perhaps the better question is What Qualifications does Obama have that makes you want him to be President of the US?

I want him to be President because Sarah Palin scares the ####### out of me.

It's just Sarah - I have nothing against McCain, he'd make an okay Prez.

Uh, hate to break it to you, but some of the haters-of-Sarah aren't Democrats or Obama supporters. The only thing you're proving here is you need to justify your own vote by bashing Obama voters. You're being no different than what you criticize. But good luck in that getting through to you.

Actually, what I'm proving is that some of you are better at hating someone than you are at explaining why you like someone. Obama is not looking good here so far, and that's not my fault.

Obama is not looking good to YOU.

It's clear most people vote for him because of his views and history of not following Bush. It's clear they vote for him because he represents inclusiveness in voters, unlike Bush who is extremely divisive and his party is involved in trying to wipe voters off the ballot. His foreign policy makes more sense than Bush's, from a logical standpoint of TALKING to people before starting the coarse rhetoric and actions (Russia, Pakistan, Venezuela) that pin countries against us before we even have a chance at dialog. So the "change" mantra comes from this, and this is just a couple issues of many.

However, most will see it as a lost cause that you're really interested in hearing this, and they're right, so they stay away from this topic. It's clear your objectivity rating is pretty much zero.

I should have started the topic.

Uh, hate to break it to you, but some of the haters-of-Sarah aren't Democrats or Obama supporters. The only thing you're proving here is you need to justify your own vote by bashing Obama voters. You're being no different than what you criticize. But good luck in that getting through to you.

Actually, what I'm proving is that some of you are better at hating someone than you are at explaining why you like someone. Obama is not looking good here so far, and that's not my fault.

Classic.... you have shown nothing but contempt for the "dimocrats" and Obama but accuse others of being "better at hating someone than you are at explaining why you like someone". That has to be one of the most hypocritical statements I've seen on this forum (and there are many to choose from). Just

You also completely ignored my post about why many people aren't voting for McCain. He is a shell of his former "maverick" self & many people are turned off by his negative, sleazy & dishonest campaign. Others also disagree with his economic policies & his insistence on carrying on the failed Bush doctrine. For me it's a combination of all three, but mostly because of the trashy campaign McCain has run.

So you want to know what qualifies Obama for being President? How about promoting policies that someone generally agrees with? Like I said before experience is generally an asset, but experience in being wrong not so much.

I don't believe that humans either create or can control global warming because geological history is a hobby of mine, so I'm aware of massive catastrophies over time that did little to destroy the planet. Some may have the ego or the stupidity to believe that we will be the saviors of the earth, but I'm not among them.

I find it interesting that one would think a person either egotistical or stupid to believe that we, as humans, do have the power to change or prevent catastrophe brought upon this earth by over-consumption and human error. While I respect those who are of the opinion that global warming isn't man-made (or at least partially caused by humans), and I applaud your geological historical hobby, I do believe we humans have contributed to the environmental problems of our contemporary world.

I also tend to listen more to my father-in-law, the physicist, and his colleagues, who have spent their lives actively working on this issue, rather than someone whose "hobby" is geological history. Of course, I suppose he's just a crazy liberal (which he is, in fact, not).

And, just to be a smart ###, the qualifications to be president of the US are: natural born US Citizen, 35 years of age, residing in the US for at least 14 years prior to election. Those are the qualifications as stated by our constitution. But I don't think you're asking "qualifications" in that sense, so perhaps you should clarify what you mean? You're asking for something in particular, but hedging the issue, apparently. Why don't you just spell it out?

[jundp 191]

WOW!

I've been away for three hours and ither than the predicatable blaming, bickering and name-calling, there is still NOTHING offered to explain Obama's appeal over other candidates. What is up with that? You would think that with all the bellyaching about Palin - which implies that people do have standards - there would be some standards for prefering Obama.

But NO, apparently NOT. There seems to be no coherent reason to vote for Obama except that he is a very liberal ** and requires no other discernment beyond that.

I get it now.

How about this:

News flash: Millions of people who will vote for Obama are not liberals. They are from the middle class- Joe six pack & soccer moms as Palin would put it. The vast majority are not elitist, out of touch left wingers. The fraction of the Obama supporters who are far left are balanced out by the far right, so these two groups cancel each other out. Like I have said many times this election will be won or lost by gaining the vote of the non-committed moderates. The mud slinging & rhetoric directed towards the "liberals" on this forum is cartoonish.

Yep. I think it's frustrating to some of the people here who are exactly what they profess to hate (namely, fanatical followers, albeit opposite of the "libruls") that there are those of us who are relatively moderate and won't vote for McCain/Palin.

Also, I choose not to get into a 'conversation' (and I lose that term very loosely) about my reasons for voting for Obama because those who request such information truly don't care. A thread stating "what qualifies Obama to be President of the US? I don't get it. Educate me." Is clearly tongue in cheek and not actually asking for any true information, but rather existing as another forum for one side to bash, belittle, and besmirch (just wanted to use that word) the other side.

[IAMX 3,055]

Here is VW demanding things.

Here are crickets.

The crickets speak loudly.

No one cares or takes you seriously.

Edited October 5, 2008 by SRVT

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Here is VW demanding things.

Here are crickets.

The crickets speak loudly.

No one cares or takes you seriously.

That's only a lame excuse. I'm not the first one who has received the libs' blank stare when asked to explain their alligence to the novice Senator. They can be awfully verbose about who they hate, but silent about who they like? No, this is not about me. It's about how no one knows why they want Obama. No one knows. It has been confirmed. No one can take them seriously, except themselves now.

Edited October 5, 2008 by Virtual wife

[Marilyn. 340]

the same could be said for the other side.. I hear a lot of talk why people hate Obama but not a lot on why they like McCain...

[nowhereman 1]

VW I posted reasons, you just chose to ignore them (what a shocker).

1. I generally agree with Obama's economic & foreign policy (this is the most important reason).

2. Bush's policies are largely responsible for the mess we are in today. Right winger's will blame the democrats (another shocker) and even Bill Clinton (that was 8 years ago, not even a plausible excuse). I'm from a military background & I was always taught that, for better or worse, the commander is ultimately responsible for the success or failure of his/her unit. Well Bush is the Commander in Chief and the country is his "unit", so ultimately the blame falls on him as far as I'm concerned. McCain's foreign policy is nearly identical to the Bush doctrine, which by almost any measure has been a utter failure. McCain's economic policies are somewhat different, but Obama's policies are more in line with my opinion on the matter.

3. McCain has run a dirty, sleazy and negative campaign. He ran a clean campaign in 2000 & Bush ran over him like a runaway truck due to the tactics of Karl Rove. McCain has adopted a "if you can't beat em, join em" philosophy & is using the same Karl Rove tactics vs. Obama. I find it an insult to my intelligence that McCain thinks I would fall for this (I see right through it) & I have lost respect for him as a politician because of it. As a fellow war vet I admire him for his service & for the fact that he is a former POW, but I am disgusted by his conduct during this campaign.

I also find the stereotype that all Obama supporters are left wing "sheep" highly offensive. I have 21 years of military service and served in Bosnia & Iraq. I come from a middle class family and I make under $250,000 a year (I am Joe six pack according to the Palin definition). I am sick & tired of the rhetoric & lies... yes it comes from both sides but I see a lot more of it coming from the right.

Enough reasons for you or will you just ignore what you don't want to see yet again?

[IAMX 3,055]

Still nothing. Should try reading topics. Might be much easier, as I've seen the reasons they vote, and posted it earlier. Might get a lot more results.

Why is it Gary, charles, kaydee, and Rogue are absent in poll topics where their candidate is losing, but when it's the other way, suddenly, poof, they show up? Two sides to a story. You want one, so you get nothing valuable. Peace. You're not a very good reader.

Edited October 5, 2008 by SRVT

[IAMX 3,055]

Enough reasons for you or will you just ignore what you don't want to see yet again?

I'll take ignore for $1,000, Alex.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

the same could be said for the other side.. I hear a lot of talk why people hate Obama but not a lot on why they like McCain...

This thread is about Why I Like Obama.

VW I posted reasons, you just chose to ignore them (what a shocker).

1. I generally agree with Obama's economic & foreign policy (this is the most important reason).

What are his economic and foreign policies as you understand them?

2. Bush's policies are largely responsible for the mess we are in today. Right winger's will blame the democrats (another shocker) and even Bill Clinton (that was 8 years ago, not even a plausible excuse). I'm from a military background & I was always taught that, for better or worse, the commander is ultimately responsible for the success or failure of his/her unit. Well Bush is the Commander in Chief and the country is his "unit", so ultimately the blame falls on him as far as I'm concerned. McCain's foreign policy is nearly identical to the Bush doctrine, which by almost any measure has been a utter failure. McCain's economic policies are somewhat different, but Obama's policies are more in line with my opinion on the matter.

I want to know what's so attractive about Obama's candidacy, how did he qualify for your vote. This is not a point fingers at the other guy thread. Please save that for all the hate Sarah Palin threads, thank you.

3. McCain has run a dirty, sleazy and negative campaign. He ran a clean campaign in 2000 & Bush ran over him like a runaway truck due to the tactics of Karl Rove. McCain has adopted a "if you can't beat em, join em" philosophy & is using the same Karl Rove tactics vs. Obama. I find it an insult to my intelligence that McCain thinks I would fall for this (I see right through it) & I have lost respect for him as a politician because of it. As a fellow war vet I admire him for his service & for the fact that he is a former POW, but I am disgusted by his conduct during this campaign.

I want to know what's so attractive about Obama's candidacy, how did he qualify for your vote. This is not a point fingers at the other guy thread. Please save that for all the hate Sarah Palin threads, thank you.

I also find the stereotype that all Obama supporters are left wing "sheep" highly offensive. I have 21 years of military service and served in Bosnia & Iraq. I come from a middle class family and I make under $250,000 a year (I am Joe six pack according to the Palin definition). I am sick & tired of the rhetoric & lies... yes it comes from both sides but I see a lot more of it coming from the right.

I want to know what's so attractive about Obama's candidacy, how did he qualify for your vote. This is not a point fingers at the other guy thread. Please save that for all the hate Sarah Palin threads, thank you.

Enough reasons for you or will you just ignore what you don't want to see yet again?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'm voting for Obama because I can't stand the other guy seems to be the leading reason.

[nowhereman 1]

Enough reasons for you or will you just ignore what you don't want to see yet again?

I'll take ignore for $1,000, Alex.

I'm guessing VW will dodge my post in a way that would make Sarah Palin (the ultimate question dodger) very proud!

[Marilyn. 340]

the same could be said for the other side.. I hear a lot of talk why people hate Obama but not a lot on why they like McCain...

This thread is about Why I Like Obama.

yes i am aware of that... I am not talking about this thread but about VJ in general.. I was responding to your post below..

Here is VW demanding things.

Here are crickets.

The crickets speak loudly.

No one cares or takes you seriously.

That's only a lame excuse. I'm not the first one who has received the libs' blank stare when asked to explain their alligence to the novice Senator. They can be awfully verbose about who they hate, but silent about who they like? No, this is not about me. It's about how no one knows why they want Obama. No one knows. It has been confirmed. No one can take them seriously, except themselves now.

Edited October 5, 2008 by *Marilyn*