What Qualifies Obama to be President of the US?

[nowhereman 1]

But that's ok - its not like she was ever interested in a debate - as she has said on many occasions. And of course she won't justify her own choice beyond the realm of general ideology (abortion - yadda, yadda, yadda). Surely the appropriate response to her question would be a stereotypical liberal position on every issue and that would be enough justification for her.

Rubbish. She started a legitimate thread and the usual dumb asses turned this into a stereotypical OT VJ bash the conservative thread.

as she naturally grants herself more leeway to be vague on the subject and clearly doesn't hold herself to the same high standards she is demanding from every else.

That is really funny coming from you considering how many have accused you of doing this exact same thing.

For example:

Six's buddies generalize = Jump on the bandwagon

Others with opposing views generalize = drill them on it and "give them enough rope to hang themselves"

Aficionado you are defending VW for the simple fact that you agree with her views. I gave her reasons why Obama qualifies to be President, which is a poorly worded question in itself because the literal answer to her question is that he's a natural born citizen & over 35. What VW was really asking is why people will vote for Obama & I posted my reasons about 5 times.

After I reformatted my reasons in the exact style VW was asking for (which was kinda silly) she then asked me to explain Obama's policies (my #1 reason is that I generally support Obama's economic & foreign policy). I refused to do this... not because I am not aware of Obama's policies, but that I knew that would open up a whole new can of worms & based on previous experiences with VW I knew that would go absolutely nowhere.

Now later on VW tells someone else "this isn't a debate thread" but she wanted to debate me on Obama's policies... an obvious contradiction. The truth here, whether you are a right winger or not, is that no matter what anyone says VW will not accept the answer. That is because she has made up her mind about the "truth" & she regards anyone with a different view as a dumb liberal who can't think for themselves (she has made these comments numerous times).

In summary you are defending someone who cannot be defended... not because of her views, but because she is completely unreasonable & close minded.

[HAL 9000 96]

C'mon folks, 19 pages and we still don't get that there are some reaches of outer space that can't yet be gotten to with conventional spaceships?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The shareholder pressure would have been curbed by increased regulation.

just look at what happened to our train lines... and after all those people died, they still wanted more money instead of paying to replace the tracks. regulation is definitely required here.

Yeah - pretty much the end result of rampant privatization under Maggie T. Not only is public transport in the UK incredibly expensive - but the whole "for profit" ethos generated numerous different competing agencies all of whom seemed to equate corner cutting with saving money. When that extended to railway track maintenance and shut down the railway system so that 5 years worth of repairs could be done in 3 months, it indicated that something was very wrong.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

C'mon folks, 19 pages and we still don't get that there are some reaches of outer space that can't yet be gotten to with conventional spaceships?

Why do you have to kill my dreams?

Bad, bad mavi.

[rocks 494]

The shareholder pressure would have been curbed by increased regulation.

just look at what happened to our train lines... and after all those people died, they still wanted more money instead of paying to replace the tracks. regulation is definitely required here.

Yeah - pretty much the end result of rampant privatization under Maggie T. Not only is public transport in the UK incredibly expensive - but the whole "for profit" ethos generated numerous different competing agencies all of whom seemed to equate corner cutting with saving money. When that extended to railway track maintenance and shut down the railway system so that 5 years worth of repairs could be done in 3 months, it indicated that something was very wrong.

freedom of choice is great and all but there has to be government regulation or the shareholders will ruin it. whatever business it is, this never changes. getting the bus in bristol is daylight robbery, almost a fiver per day just to travel in the inner city. even london is cheaper than that if you take distance into account

[HAL 9000 96]

C'mon folks, 19 pages and we still don't get that there are some reaches of outer space that can't yet be gotten to with conventional spaceships?

Why do you have to kill my dreams?

Bad, bad mavi.

Some just need to get themselves to Xibalba ASAP.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The shareholder pressure would have been curbed by increased regulation.

just look at what happened to our train lines... and after all those people died, they still wanted more money instead of paying to replace the tracks. regulation is definitely required here.

Yeah - pretty much the end result of rampant privatization under Maggie T. Not only is public transport in the UK incredibly expensive - but the whole "for profit" ethos generated numerous different competing agencies all of whom seemed to equate corner cutting with saving money. When that extended to railway track maintenance and shut down the railway system so that 5 years worth of repairs could be done in 3 months, it indicated that something was very wrong.

freedom of choice is great and all but there has to be government regulation or the shareholders will ruin it. whatever business it is, this never changes. getting the bus in bristol is daylight robbery, almost a fiver per day just to travel in the inner city. even london is cheaper than that if you take distance into account

Yeah - it used to cost me 200 quid a month to get into London Fenchurch St. 5 years ago. I can only imagine what its like now...

And the subway too is extortionate.

[rocks 494]

Yeah - it used to cost me 200 quid a month to get into London Fenchurch St. 5 years ago. I can only imagine what its like now...

And the subway too is extortionate.

i think there's one or two buses down here where i am in ms and that probably only exists due to the military presence/casinos here. there's a small route around the city and along the close proximity of the gulf coast which is supported by the govt but the frequency is poor, the stops are limited and it is inadequate to say the least. it's so weird to me that there is virtually no public transport ( or sidewalks ). if you want to go somewhere further than nearby to here ( and of course on the route ) then you need to have a car or you are stranded. i know of villages in the uk with more bus services.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

C'mon folks, 19 pages and we still don't get that there are some reaches of outer space that can't yet be gotten to with conventional spaceships?

Why do you have to kill my dreams?

Bad, bad mavi.

Some just need to get themselves to Xibalba ASAP.

I am going to K-Pax. And Kevin Spacey is coming with me

[Heracles 417]

i think there's one or two buses down here where i am in ms and that probably only exists due to the military presence/casinos here. there's a small route around the city and along the close proximity of the gulf coast which is supported by the govt but the frequency is poor, the stops are limited and it is inadequate to say the least. it's so weird to me that there is virtually no public transport ( or sidewalks ). if you want to go somewhere further than nearby to here ( and of course on the route ) then you need to have a car or you are stranded. i know of villages in the uk with more bus services.

Americans are not exactly into bus services and I can understand why. Just go to the local greyhound depot in DC. Have not seen much of that in the UK...

Now I do agree with the sidewalks. But then again the above example also explains why no one wants sidewalks. The UK has nowhere near the same issues with Ghettos as does the US. Whereas the US is littered with them.

Edited October 6, 2008 by Aficionado

[rocks 494]

i think there's one or two buses down here where i am in ms and that probably only exists due to the military presence/casinos here. there's a small route around the city and along the close proximity of the gulf coast which is supported by the govt but the frequency is poor, the stops are limited and it is inadequate to say the least. it's so weird to me that there is virtually no public transport ( or sidewalks ). if you want to go somewhere further than nearby to here ( and of course on the route ) then you need to have a car or you are stranded. i know of villages in the uk with more bus services.

Americans are not exactly into bus services and I can understand why. Just go to the local greyhound depot in DC. Have not seen much of that in the UK...

Now I do agree with the sidewalks. But then again the above example also explains why no one wants sidewalks. The UK has nowhere near the same issues with Ghettos as does the US. Whereas the US is littered with them.

yeah i know that it is different here. i still find it weird, just because it is what i'm used to

i miss sidewalks i want to be able to walk my dog! there are no parks here either, something else i always took for granted

i'm in a weird area though, the big cities are different of course.

[Heracles 417]

yeah i know that it is different here. i still find it weird, just because it is what i'm used to

i miss sidewalks i want to be able to walk my dog! there are no parks here either, something else i always took for granted

i'm in a weird area though, the big cities are different of course.

I know they had a rule back in Melbourne that there had to be a train, tram or bus within 400 meters ( 1300 feet) of every home. Foot paths outside every urban home was a given. I remember reading an article where people actually complained about proposed footpaths here.

Do you guys at least have street lights? I know out here they are sparse and usually only at intersections. Almost no street lighting in suburbia..

[rocks 494]

yeah i know that it is different here. i still find it weird, just because it is what i'm used to

i miss sidewalks i want to be able to walk my dog! there are no parks here either, something else i always took for granted

i'm in a weird area though, the big cities are different of course.

I know they had a rule back in Melbourne that there had to be a train, tram or bus within 400 meters ( 1300 feet) of every home. Foot paths outside every urban home was a given. I remember reading an article where people actually complained about proposed footpaths here.

Do you guys at least have street lights? I know out here they are sparse and usually only at intersections. Almost no street lighting in suburbia..

yeah there's street lights and ditches on the side of almost every road. there is minimal sidewalk here, for example in downtown there's some but there's not much point in walking there anymore since katrina. why would anyone complain about a proposed footpath?

i'm sure the uk had a rule about footpaths and public transport the same way that it is compulsory for there to be a telephone box every so far so that everyone can have access to a telephone, even in rural areas. obviously that isn't so relevant now with the rise in popularity of cell phones.

[Heracles 417]

The roads here are atrocious. Just this weekend my car was damaged, again, because of ####### on interstates. They are also extremely poorly designed and marked.

I also find it very hard to drive at night because I am used to reflectors and streetlights. I hate driving down roads which only have white and yellow lines. Try seeing the lines when it rains. I guess this is one of those things where for someone who has not had any better they wouldn't see the big deal.

Edited October 6, 2008 by Aficionado

[rocks 494]

The roads here are atrocious. Just this weekend my car was damaged, again, because of ####### on interstates. They are also extremely poorly designed and marked.

I also find it very hard to drive at night because I am used to reflectors and streetlights. I hate driving down roads which only have white and yellow lines. Try seeing the lines when it rains. I guess this is one of those things where for someone who has not had any better they wouldn't see the big deal.

yeah damaging your car sucks

that's odd that there aren't many streetlights. we have them here, it's just the horrible roads that are the problem. it's potholes galore here. katrina really messed up everything on the beach too. they're slowly resurfacing those roads but sadly i don't think all of the roads that require it will be resurfaced. the one outside walmart here feels like you're riding on a camel! we drove out to somewhere in the country this weekend and on the way back we went driving around a little. there are so many little places along the coast that don't have proper surfacing on any of their roads, it's all just gravel and rocks and the biggest potholes i've ever seen.