The dumbing down of the GOP

[natty bumppo 297]

No, no one does. Some people try to 'intimidate' others with their job qualifications, as if somehow that's relevant. Most people rely on the things they post in and of themselves to illustrate their point of view.

I am not 'pro-Obama' so I have no idea why I would allow myself to be 'led by the nose' to your spurious attempt to 'educate' the members of this message board.

And then other people are just completely full of shite.

noticed this too ... being so pro anti towards a candidate ... well unless equal time and energy is spent on the opposing candidate ... the poster is waving and saluting a flag ...

[IAMX 3,055]

Why should we give her a pass on the most important issues of the day? Supposedly sharing the fears and concerns of the average families who face the burdens of mortgages, healthcare and economic insecurity, Palin simply refused to discuss changes in bankruptcy law and proved that she didn't know the provisions of McCain's healthcare plan.

So fvcking true.

There was a time when conservatives lamented the dumbing down of American culture. Preservation of basic standards in schools and workplaces compelled them -- or so they said -- to resist affirmative action for women and minorities. Qualifications mattered; merit mattered; and demagogic appeals for leveling were to be left to the Democrats.

Not anymore.

True again.

It used to be conservatives wanting litmus tests of sort to rid of stupid people their vote. Now they need this vote, so just harp on talking points and stupid buzzwords like "support the troops" as their policy. Maybe that's why smart people don't trust them.

Actually, the Palin phenomenon is the culmination of a trend that can be traced back to Dan Quayle, the undistinguished Indiana senator whose elevation onto the Republican ticket in 1988 had nothing to do with intellect or experience and everything to do with the youthful appeal of a handsome blond frat boy. (That was how Republican strategists thought they would attract female voters back then, which must be why they believe Palin represents progress.) Quayle too was unable to articulate, let alone defend, the policy positions for which he was supposed to be campaigning. He too had to undergo the surgical stuffing of stock phrases into his head as a minimal substitute for knowledge and thought. And in the same sad way, he too benefited from the drastically reduced expectations applied to anyone whose inadequacy is so obvious.

Once again, so true. It's quite amazing to me how with Palin our expectations of someone dropped so low the only thing people can do to justify Palin is attack others rather than actually outline hers and McCain's plans because.. not even SHE knows them. She's merely a talking head with a pretty face and anyone with a brain knows this is why she was brought to the VP ticket.

Hell, how many Republicans here alone were hooting and hollering because of YEEHAW, WE GOT US A HAWT VP?

Quayle deserved more pity than scorn, however, because he seemed to know that he was fighting far above his weight class. Palin evokes no such sympathy, with her jut-jawed, moose-gutting confidence in her own overrated "common sense" and her bullying insistence that only "elitists" would question her expertise.

Experience really means nothing, but of course conservatives are the one who have an "experience" mantra, which is thrown back in their face when Bush is mentioned, so of course then they run their a$$ back to differentiate serving the people in general to "executive experience", which their Presidential candidate has NONE of, being a career Congressman. . It's very easy to see that Republicans are making sh!t up on the fly to excuse their candidate because they'd rather not question their own vote of someone who obviously is a crappy pick for a VP slot.

And why don't we expect more from American conservatives? Indeed, why don't they demand more from their own movement? Aren't they disgusted that their party would again nominate a person devoid of qualifications for one of the nation's highest offices? Some, like Michael Gerson and Kathleen Parker, have expressed discomfort with this farce -- and been subjected, in Parker's case, to abuse from many of the same numbskulls whom Palin undoubtedly delights.

Oh no, I have seen a good handful of conservatives who are. Trust me. I've increasingly seen more who are voting third party, Libertarian being the usual one, because of the lack of old school conservative values that actually have to to with economy and limited government, which the Republicans fly in the face of nowadays, and the stupidity Sarah Palin displays, which is an insult to intelligent people.

Edited October 5, 2008 by SRVT

[rebeccajo 14]

No, no one does. Some people try to 'intimidate' others with their job qualifications, as if somehow that's relevant. Most people rely on the things they post in and of themselves to illustrate their point of view.

I am not 'pro-Obama' so I have no idea why I would allow myself to be 'led by the nose' to your spurious attempt to 'educate' the members of this message board.

And then other people are just completely full of shite.

noticed this too ... being so pro anti towards a candidate ... well unless equal time and energy is spent on the opposing candidate ... the poster is waving and saluting a flag ...

Hey, it's an op-ed piece. You know - opinion and all that jazz.

Actually this was the part of the article that I liked the best:

"In fact, the cynical attempt to foist Palin on the nation as a symbol of feminist progress is an insult to all women regardless of their political orientation. "

[Peikko 1,575]

No, no one does. Some people try to 'intimidate' others with their job qualifications, as if somehow that's relevant. Most people rely on the things they post in and of themselves to illustrate their point of view.

That seems to qualify as an Obama job qualification, though.

I am not 'pro-Obama' so I have no idea why I would allow myself to be 'led by the nose' to your spurious attempt to 'educate' the members of this message board.

Then don't. No one is forcing you.

In what way is 'posting on a message board' similar to running for US president? I can see where you 'logic' is taking you but it really is another of your 1 + 1 = 5,000 leaps. Let's make this simple, the fact that Barack Obama is well educated is one excellent reason to choose him for president. Accusing him of 'flaunting' his education in order to get elected is false.

No, no one does. Some people try to 'intimidate' others with their job qualifications, as if somehow that's relevant. Most people rely on the things they post in and of themselves to illustrate their point of view.

I am not 'pro-Obama' so I have no idea why I would allow myself to be 'led by the nose' to your spurious attempt to 'educate' the members of this message board.

And then other people are just completely full of shite.

noticed this too ... being so pro anti towards a candidate ... well unless equal time and energy is spent on the opposing candidate ... the poster is waving and saluting a flag ...

Hey, it's an op-ed piece. You know - opinion and all that jazz.

Actually this was the part of the article that I liked the best:

"In fact, the cynical attempt to foist Palin on the nation as a symbol of feminist progress is an insult to all women regardless of their political orientation. "

I appreciated that line too.

[natty bumppo 297]

No, no one does. Some people try to 'intimidate' others with their job qualifications, as if somehow that's relevant. Most people rely on the things they post in and of themselves to illustrate their point of view.

I am not 'pro-Obama' so I have no idea why I would allow myself to be 'led by the nose' to your spurious attempt to 'educate' the members of this message board.

And then other people are just completely full of shite.

noticed this too ... being so pro anti towards a candidate ... well unless equal time and energy is spent on the opposing candidate ... the poster is waving and saluting a flag ...

Hey, it's an op-ed piece. You know - opinion and all that jazz.

Actually this was the part of the article that I liked the best:

"In fact, the cynical attempt to foist Palin on the nation as a symbol of feminist progress is an insult to all women regardless of their political orientation. "

it's an editorial ... gotcha

printed paper suitable to line the bottom of a bird cage

[rebeccajo 14]

No, no one does. Some people try to 'intimidate' others with their job qualifications, as if somehow that's relevant. Most people rely on the things they post in and of themselves to illustrate their point of view.

I am not 'pro-Obama' so I have no idea why I would allow myself to be 'led by the nose' to your spurious attempt to 'educate' the members of this message board.

And then other people are just completely full of shite.

noticed this too ... being so pro anti towards a candidate ... well unless equal time and energy is spent on the opposing candidate ... the poster is waving and saluting a flag ...

Hey, it's an op-ed piece. You know - opinion and all that jazz.

Actually this was the part of the article that I liked the best:

"In fact, the cynical attempt to foist Palin on the nation as a symbol of feminist progress is an insult to all women regardless of their political orientation. "

it's an editorial ... gotcha

printed paper suitable to line the bottom of a bird cage

But constitutionally protected, nonetheless.

[natty bumppo 297]

No, no one does. Some people try to 'intimidate' others with their job qualifications, as if somehow that's relevant. Most people rely on the things they post in and of themselves to illustrate their point of view.

I am not 'pro-Obama' so I have no idea why I would allow myself to be 'led by the nose' to your spurious attempt to 'educate' the members of this message board.

And then other people are just completely full of shite.

noticed this too ... being so pro anti towards a candidate ... well unless equal time and energy is spent on the opposing candidate ... the poster is waving and saluting a flag ...

Hey, it's an op-ed piece. You know - opinion and all that jazz.

Actually this was the part of the article that I liked the best:

"In fact, the cynical attempt to foist Palin on the nation as a symbol of feminist progress is an insult to all women regardless of their political orientation. "

it's an editorial ... gotcha

printed paper suitable to line the bottom of a bird cage

But constitutionally protected, nonetheless.

another tree sacrificed to collect droppings ...

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I see our libs would still rather insult Palin than praise Obama. My thread is very lonely out there.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=154994

[kaydee457 13]

It's undeniable that you guys prefer to mock Palin than to rave about Obama's accomplishments.

Nuff said.

What accomplishments?

This op ed is nothing more than more elitist ####### from libruls that beieve they're annointed with superior intellect and that they can look down their snoots at everyone else.....Libruls can only reinforce their sill and delusional belief that they are intellectually superior, therefore born to lead, because of course everyone that doesn't agree with them are "defective" in some way. Typical liberalism........

This is an excellent observation by the British Ambassador to the U.S. and one that's shared by many casual observers, in a letter to PM Brown.....

Charges of elitism "are not entirely unfair" and he is "maybe aloof, insensitive" at times.

He can talk too dispassionately for a national campaign about issues which touch people personally, eg his notorious San Francisco comments (in April) about small-town Pennsylvanians 'clinging' to guns and religion."

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LIBRULS, sheesh!

People you don't understand are not by definition 'looking down on you'. That is a perception that belongs to you, not the people that you feel are looking at you. You might want to try to figure out why you feel threatened or challenged by people who have an education or who you don't automatically empathize with. Of course, you might not want to do that but you will continue to try to knock people off a pedestal that they are not standing on. Futile is as futile does.

Hey, don't get mad at me...I'm just pointing out the popular perception of Obama and like “libruls” that’s apparently shared by the British Ambassador too....

I don't say I don't understand them as I understand them particularly well. They are snobs and elitist as demonstrated time and again by their own actions and the popular perception applied to them.

I'm not challenged nor threatened by people who have education as I too have an "education"....I simply recognize that these elitist and egotists are only so in their own mind as I, and many others. possess similar skills......and I'm not talking to my fellow colleagues about groups of people in the context of "hey, I know what's wrong with them" as Obama and his ilk do in private settings…….

[Peikko 1,575]

Oooh, another one of those excellent distractions, don't get mad at me (insert insinuation of frothy mouthed, crazy woman here). Only if you put people above you (metaphorically) can they look down on you, the people you put above you didn't put themselves there. That's simple fact, not something to get all 'mad' over.

How exactly you know how 'Obama and his ilk' discuss matters in 'private settings' is anyone's guess.

My point is simple. Being intelligent and smart should not be some huge turn off, an excuse to write off a candidate. Being intelligent and smart should be one of the key criteria one looks for in a politician. I don't need 'joe average' in the whitehouse empathizing with my 'pain' whatever that's meant to mean, I want someone who can make decisions on the behalf of the electorate that are smart, not 'ideologically' motivated.

[Peikko 1,575]

I see our libs would still rather insult Palin than praise Obama. My thread is very lonely out there.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=154994

And of course you would rather toss around your tired stereotype and watch to see if that causes the chaotic response you crave.

[rebeccajo 14]

[IAMX 3,055]

I'm so glad I never watch daytime talk shows. Seriously, all five of them don't know a political elbow from their ###. But particularly the blonde. She's definitely ill-prepared to get into political discussions without any sort of rational argument.

It's times like this I'm thankful for Bill Maher where they have actual meaningful debate rather than a bunch of chicks rambling back and forth, not knowing how to take turns talking.

Edited October 5, 2008 by SRVT

[jundp 191]

There is a stark difference between Barack Obama and Sarah Palin. Barack Obama can understand the issues and can discuss them intelligently while offering concrete (if disliked) solutions. Sarah Palin neither understands the issues, nor really cares enough about what they are to try to find solutions to them.

I started a thread to stage pro-Obama views. Don't let me down, Obamacans. Show up and boost your man!

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=154992

You diminish your position when you say things like this. Obamacans? Sheep? Lilbruls? Socialists? Is this all you know and understand? To name call? It's pathetic and really doesn't make you look good.

NOTE: that wasn't an "attack" VW, it was pointing out a fact. You will, I am quite sure, find some way to turn that around and attempt to make me look bad.

And RJ, I love the clip! I would like to know how Palin is "an expert in terms of energy"?! Also "does Joe Biden sound presidential when he thinks FDR was president during the Depression." ?!?!??! Who started the "New Deal"?

Edited October 5, 2008 by jundp

[rebeccajo 14]

Here you go.

Edited October 5, 2008 by rebeccajo