In Ohio, more Independents think Palin won the debate

[metta 0]

Oh, pull the other one, you were so not expecting thought-provoking and engaging. Hoping and praying for knowing it wasn't going to happen perhaps, but expecting?

As for Metta, I am not sure how you think McCain will be better than Obama. For all his flaws, and he does have them including a lack of hands on experience, he has better ideas and a much, much better ability to understand the issues compared to McCain or heaven forbid his little side kick Palin. McCain would not be a total disaster, the cogs and wheels behind the scenes would not allow for that, but he would not do anything constructive to help Joe/Jane average. After 4 years of McCain, the average household will be worse off than they are today and that's not something to vote for.

Well, PH I beg to differ and I'll tell you why. Obama made his debut into presidential politics with his CHANGE slogan. Any student of American politics understand that changing this system is like setting about to clean the Augean stables. This is a 200 year system with inherent defects -especially for corruption. I mean representative democrqcy it self. Housemebers have to run perpetual fund raising becuase they have to stand for reelection every two years . SO where do they get the money. Yes, limitations can be put in place but corruption can not be totally eliminated. And the senate elctions and look at the current POTUS election. Obama claims he gets from small donors . Yes but that is not enough. Where does he get the rest of the funds or for that matter other candidtes?

What a reformer can do is plug the holes to the extent possible. Even then loopholes are always found. Now accepting the fact that some measure of effective reform of the system is possible, who do you think has the track record of pulling it off/

obama record shows that all he has done thro'out his political career is to suck up to some group use it, move ahead and then exploit the existing networks/ system/machine what ever you call it. 20 years with Wrights' church without ever making one squeaky noise about all the hate and AntiAmericanism that has been purveyed to the congregation by the pastor. Don't tell me he did'nt hear those speeches. You know and I know how these churches operate. The same with Chicago machine. There was not a whiff of protest or attempt to reform the machine that hoisted him to this present status. Now only when running for Preisdent he claims he will and can clean up and CHANGE the system. Given his past behavior, that claim itself , to me is a fraud!!

McCain on the other hand has been considered crazy by some in his own party because he has gone against his party on many occasions. I will not elaborate on it except to say that he does have a solid recortd in effecting or at least calling out on shady practices.

Now as to the ideas, first and foremost the new POTUS will have to improve the economy before he can do anything about promised new programs or new ideas. When it comes to economy, i don't think either MacCain or Obama has any idea.

Well, I'll carry this on later. Need to go home now...

[Ling Ling 22]

I'd say there was no debate...or perhaps that there was no clear winner.

What was clear however, is that Biden actually reiterated things he knew, while Palin reiterated things she rehearsed.

If it was a contest of who was able to deliver rehearsed lines the best, clearly Palin was the winner.

She looked like a beauty pageant contestant who had prepared canned answers to possible questions.

She did REALLY well. But I'm not ready for a beauty pageant contestant to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

Given the harsh realities that McCain is on his way to his last slumber, and that Obama is as much a candidate for

assassination as he is for the Presidency, we really have to consider their running mates as likely replacements.

That said, even with the failing performance of each VP candidate (much due to the revised format) I would still

rather see Biden as a successor than Palin....and it's not because she's a woman.

To that end, I wish that Hillary was the Democratic VP running mate....partially because she's a woman,

but more importantly because I think their differences in character lend to a good administration.

It's been said that if you have 2 people in business who always agree on everything, you have 1 too many people in the business.

It's also been said that...it's just plain stupid to put Sarah Palin and John McCain in the Executive Office.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

McCain on the other hand has been considered crazy by some in his own party because he has gone against his party on many occasions. I will not elaborate on it except to say that he does have a solid recortd in effecting or at least calling out on shady practices.

McSame is the change agent. Period. I mean, really, he's changed just about all of his positions to their polar opposite. And that over the course of just the last year or so. If that ain't change, then I don't know what is.

[Ling Ling 22]

McCain on the other hand has been considered crazy by some in his own party because he has gone against his party on many occasions. I will not elaborate on it except to say that he does have a solid recortd in effecting or at least calling out on shady practices.

McSame is the change agent. Period. I mean, really, he's changed just about all of his positions to their polar opposite. And that over the course of just the last year or so. If that ain't change, then I don't know what is.

The bumper sticker I wanna see...

Bush McCain, McSame Insane

Sadly only intelligent people would understand it,

and thus no votes would be changed with it.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Well, PH I beg to differ and I'll tell you why. Obama made his debut into presidential politics with his CHANGE slogan. Any student of American politics understand that changing this system is like setting about to clean the Augean stables. This is a 200 year system with inherent defects -especially for corruption.

Just a few past Presidential Campaign slogans (to put a little perspective into Obama's 'crazy' CHANGE slogan):

For the future ~ Richard Nixon

A Leader, For a Change ~ Jimmy Carter

America Needs a Change ~ Walter Mondale

It’s morning again in America ~ Ronald Reagan

Building a bridge to the 21st century ~ Bill Clinton

Reformer with results ~ GW Bush

Yes, America Can! ~ GW Bush

Don't swap horses in the middle of the stream ~ Abraham Lincoln

A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage ~ Herbert Hoover

Kinder, Gentler Nation ~ George HW Bush

[nowhereman 1]

State of Ohio Awards Split-Decision on Palin-Biden Vice Presidential Debate:

SurveyUSA interviewed 900 Ohio adults, of whom 620 watched the debate last night between Republican Sarah Palin and Democrat Joe Biden. Of debate watchers: 37% say Palin was the clear winner. 38% say Biden was the clear winner. 24% say there was no clear winner.

Debate audience was 31% Republican, 37% Democrat, 24% Independent.

Of debate watchers:

47% say their opinion of Palin went up. 18% say their opinion of Palin went down.

38% say their opinion of Biden went up. 22% say their opinion of Biden went down.

Ohio debate watchers say: Palin was more likable. Biden had a better command of the facts. Biden was more ready to assume the office of President, should that become necessary.

50% say that Biden makes the Democratic ticket stronger, 17% say he makes the ticket weaker, 32% say he makes no difference.

51% say that Palin makes the Republican ticket stronger, 33% say she makes the ticket weaker, 16% say she makes no difference.

76% of Republicans and 56% overall think Palin would be a better Vice President than ####### Cheney.

28% of Republicans and 57% overall think Biden would be a better Vice President than ####### Cheney.

SurveyUSA state of Ohio research conducted exclusively for WCMH Columbus, WHIO Dayton, and WKYC Cleveland.

Ummmm I'm not a math major, but according to your numbers 1% more (38% vs 37%) felt Biden won.

[HAL 9000 96]

State of Ohio Awards Split-Decision on Palin-Biden Vice Presidential Debate:

SurveyUSA interviewed 900 Ohio adults, of whom 620 watched the debate last night between Republican Sarah Palin and Democrat Joe Biden. Of debate watchers: 37% say Palin was the clear winner. 38% say Biden was the clear winner. 24% say there was no clear winner.

Debate audience was 31% Republican, 37% Democrat, 24% Independent.

Of debate watchers:

47% say their opinion of Palin went up. 18% say their opinion of Palin went down.

38% say their opinion of Biden went up. 22% say their opinion of Biden went down.

Ohio debate watchers say: Palin was more likable. Biden had a better command of the facts. Biden was more ready to assume the office of President, should that become necessary.

50% say that Biden makes the Democratic ticket stronger, 17% say he makes the ticket weaker, 32% say he makes no difference.

51% say that Palin makes the Republican ticket stronger, 33% say she makes the ticket weaker, 16% say she makes no difference.

76% of Republicans and 56% overall think Palin would be a better Vice President than ####### Cheney.

28% of Republicans and 57% overall think Biden would be a better Vice President than ####### Cheney.

SurveyUSA state of Ohio research conducted exclusively for WCMH Columbus, WHIO Dayton, and WKYC Cleveland.

Ummmm I'm not a math major, but according to your numbers 1% more (38% vs 37%) felt Biden won.

Actually, its metta trying to claim one thing he does not support with fact. Nowhere there does he support the notion that more Ohio Independents thought Palin won more than a little self respect- and even that is hard to come by in the information offered.