So, who won vice presidential debate???

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

CBS News Poll of Uncommitted Voters Watching the Debate

46% of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Joe Biden was the winner. 21% thought Sarah Palin won, 33% thought it was a draw… 98% after the debate saw [biden] as knowledgeable (79% before the debate).

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/10/2/223844/289

bumping my own post.

this is all that matters. not what those of us who aren't undecided think, but what the undecided think.

check it out, b1tchez.

could it be that the american people are no longer taken in by frivolity?

color me surprised.

Agreed. The uncommitted matter. Short of some shocking event between now and then, I know how I'll vote. Those that haven't quite decided yet will make or break a candidate. Those are the folks you gotta win. Obama won them last week and Joe brought them home tonight. Keep 'em coming so McSame can retire and Sarah can go back to looking pretty in Alaska.

[SusieK 3]

LOL good thread, I guess the embassy would have luved if my husband said I will answer my own questions and ignore yours - WOW GREAT CONCEPT hmmmmmmmm not

[tanyaru 3]

Biden sounded like he was talking from his head.. Palin sounded like she was just repeating things she had memorized..

Thats what we felt too

And you sure it wasn't the mainstream liberal media telling you what to think?

Thats what it was! Thank you so much for opening my eyes! Going republican!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

CBS News Poll of Uncommitted Voters Watching the Debate

46% of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Joe Biden was the winner. 21% thought Sarah Palin won, 33% thought it was a draw… 98% after the debate saw [biden] as knowledgeable (79% before the debate).

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/10/2/223844/289

bumping my own post.

this is all that matters. not what those of us who aren't undecided think, but what the undecided think.

check it out, b1tchez.

could it be that the american people are no longer taken in by frivolity?

color me surprised.

The Fox post-mortem was a bit different - they pointed out the high points that people responded to, and the biggest response from their audience was when she mentioned "personal responsiblity" and "never again" in response to the early question on the economy.

But certainly I think that people should be less interested in a personality contest than with actual, concrete ideas - simply saying "Maverick" over and over (as though the more times its invoked the truer it becomes) doesn't really cut it.

I still think that McCain will win. I dread the prospect TBH.

[Cassie 8]

simply saying "Maverick" over and over (as though the more times its invoked the truer it becomes) doesn't really cut it.

and she said it a lot, and it still didn't convince me. Nor did it convince my husband, who gets to actually vote this election, and who finalized tonight who he will be voting for.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

simply saying "Maverick" over and over (as though the more times its invoked the truer it becomes) doesn't really cut it.

and she said it a lot, and it still didn't convince me. Nor did it convince my husband, who gets to actually vote this election, and who finalized tonight who he will be voting for.

Not to be presumptuous but tell your hubby "Welcome Aboard"!

[metta 0]

I heard tonight the inside-the-beltway denizen talking to a Main Street American.

Of course the pundits are going nuts because Palin did not make any gaffes they were looking forward to.

I see in her how a middle class American processes information and how they would respond.

Those of us used to Sunday morning talk shows will see her style quaint but she reminds me of Harry Truman.

Give her 6 months and you will be surprised what she can be.

Clearly, Sarah Palin won in style. She can strike ordinary Americans as a breath of fresh air different from all the elite discourse.

We'll see what the polls say in the coming days but I suspect McCain poll numbers may stabilize and perhaps even improve.

Biden ( I like this guy very much) met the expectation people have of a senator whose been in Washington for 36 years.. No more no less.

How someone talks isn't an indication of the quality of wisdom or political judgement that they have.

It's not necessarily how she talks but also how she processes information and respond. Not in crisp point 1, 2, 4 etc. But in very plain language addresses issues the way she understands it and then later in the response addresses them. I think many ordinary folks who are still undecided will find it quite resonating..

Take your biases off and try to put on an objective observer hat guys

Are none of us here "ordinary folks"?

As I said - it wasn't lost on me that the moderator mentioned on serveral occasions that the candidates weren't really answering the questions asked. I think the format of the debate catered specifically to the sort of performance that Palin put in. Polished certainly, but ultimately rather superficial.

No we ain't. We are political junkies cruising the blogosphere if not peddling our povs on vj.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think Biden made better points on foreign policy - not least what the policy differences between McCain and GWB would be on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

There's something deeply dishonest about publicly disowning the Bush Administration while at the same time pushing the same policies. Different, but not. Change, but not.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Not to be presumptuous but tell your hubby "Welcome Aboard"!

Actually wouldn't "Welcome to the Flock" be more appropriate?

[Cassie 8]

simply saying "Maverick" over and over (as though the more times its invoked the truer it becomes) doesn't really cut it.

and she said it a lot, and it still didn't convince me. Nor did it convince my husband, who gets to actually vote this election, and who finalized tonight who he will be voting for.

Not to be presumptuous but tell your hubby "Welcome Aboard"!

you presume correctly which is surprising as he voted Bush the last election -- I guess my socialist-hippie-canadian tendancies are rubbing off on him

Oh, and he was amused at your siggie

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I heard tonight the inside-the-beltway denizen talking to a Main Street American.

Of course the pundits are going nuts because Palin did not make any gaffes they were looking forward to.

I see in her how a middle class American processes information and how they would respond.

Those of us used to Sunday morning talk shows will see her style quaint but she reminds me of Harry Truman.

Give her 6 months and you will be surprised what she can be.

Clearly, Sarah Palin won in style. She can strike ordinary Americans as a breath of fresh air different from all the elite discourse.

We'll see what the polls say in the coming days but I suspect McCain poll numbers may stabilize and perhaps even improve.

Biden ( I like this guy very much) met the expectation people have of a senator whose been in Washington for 36 years.. No more no less.

How someone talks isn't an indication of the quality of wisdom or political judgement that they have.

It's not necessarily how she talks but also how she processes information and respond. Not in crisp point 1, 2, 4 etc. But in very plain language addresses issues the way she understands it and then later in the response addresses them. I think many ordinary folks who are still undecided will find it quite resonating..

Take your biases off and try to put on an objective observer hat guys

Are none of us here "ordinary folks"?

As I said - it wasn't lost on me that the moderator mentioned on serveral occasions that the candidates weren't really answering the questions asked. I think the format of the debate catered specifically to the sort of performance that Palin put in. Polished certainly, but ultimately rather superficial.

No we ain't. We are political junkies cruising the blogosphere if not peddling our povs on vj.

Who do you class as "ordinary folks" then?

A person who doesn't really use the internet, doesn't post on message boards, doesn't have more than a token, superficial interest in politics and who can be swayed simply by feel-good rhetoric?

Did we get substance out of this debate?

Did we really? Honestly?

Edited October 3, 2008 by Paul Daniels

[Cassie 8]

Not to be presumptuous but tell your hubby "Welcome Aboard"!

Actually wouldn't "Welcome to the Flock" be more appropriate?

hardly. My husband ain't a sheep.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

She can't pronounce NUCLEAR either....#######? It is not that hard of a word.

-P

I think it's a Republican syndrome.

[metta 0]

I heard tonight the inside-the-beltway denizen talking to a Main Street American.

Of course the pundits are going nuts because Palin did not make any gaffes they were looking forward to.

I see in her how a middle class American processes information and how they would respond.

Those of us used to Sunday morning talk shows will see her style quaint but she reminds me of Harry Truman.

Give her 6 months and you will be surprised what she can be.

Clearly, Sarah Palin won in style. She can strike ordinary Americans as a breath of fresh air different from all the elite discourse.

We'll see what the polls say in the coming days but I suspect McCain poll numbers may stabilize and perhaps even improve.

Biden ( I like this guy very much) met the expectation people have of a senator whose been in Washington for 36 years.. No more no less.

How someone talks isn't an indication of the quality of wisdom or political judgement that they have.

It's not necessarily how she talks but also how she processes information and respond. Not in crisp point 1, 2, 4 etc. But in very plain language addresses issues the way she understands it and then later in the response addresses them. I think many ordinary folks who are still undecided will find it quite resonating..

Take your biases off and try to put on an objective observer hat guys

Are none of us here "ordinary folks"?

As I said - it wasn't lost on me that the moderator mentioned on serveral occasions that the candidates weren't really answering the questions asked. I think the format of the debate catered specifically to the sort of performance that Palin put in. Polished certainly, but ultimately rather superficial.

No we ain't. We are political junkies cruising the blogosphere if not peddling our povs on vj.

Who do you class as "ordinary folks" then?

A person who doesn't really use the internet, doesn't post on message boards, doesn't have more than a token, superficial interest in politics and who can be swayed simply by feel-good rhetoric?

Did we get substance out of this debate?

Did we really? Honestly?

Folks who don't spend hours trolling the net or watching tv going after every bit of commentary and punditry

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

simply saying "Maverick" over and over (as though the more times its invoked the truer it becomes) doesn't really cut it.

and she said it a lot, and it still didn't convince me. Nor did it convince my husband, who gets to actually vote this election, and who finalized tonight who he will be voting for.

Not to be presumptuous but tell your hubby "Welcome Aboard"!

you presume correctly which is surprising as he voted Bush the last election -- I guess my socialist-hippie-canadian tendancies are rubbing off on him

Oh, and he was amused at your siggie

Let's hear it for our friends from up north!