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  1. 1. Which of the following are true? For US citizens and LPR's only. If you are not willing to identify as either a Democrat or Republican, do not answer.

    • I am a Democrat and have received food stamps.
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    • I am a Republican and have received food stamps.
      1
    • I am a Democrat and have received need-based student aid to go to college.
      20
    • I am a Republican and have received need-based student aid to go to college.
      8
    • I am a Democrat and have resided in government-subsidized housing.
      4
    • I am a Republican and have resided in government-subsidized housing.
      2
    • I am a Democrat and have received unemployment insurance payments.
      14
    • I am a Republican and have received unemployment insurance payments.
      3
    • I am a Democrat and have received some other form of government assistance.
      10
    • I am a Republican and have received some other form of government assistance.
      2
    • I am a Democrat and none of the above are true.
      16
    • I am a Republican and none of the above are true.
      12
  2. 2. In your opinion, do the following count as 'handouts'? For US citizens and LPR's only. If you are not willing to identify as either a Democrat or Republican, do not vote.

    • I am a Democrat and I believe Social Security payments after you retire count as government handouts.
      7
    • I am a Republican and I believe Social Security payments after you retire count as government handouts.
      1
    • I am a Democrat and I believe Unemployment Insurance payments after you lose a job count as government handouts.
      7
    • I am a Republican and I believe Unemployment Insurance payments after you lose a job count as government handouts.
      5
    • I am a Democrat and I believe the tax-exempt status of religious institutions like churches counts as a government handout.
      18
    • I am a Republican and I believe the tax-exempt status of religious institutions like churches counts as a government handout.
      7
    • None of the above
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Filed: Country: Indonesia
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I don't see the distinction between the first set and second set. Funded by taxpayers = government handout, no? Is the objection to calling unemployment a government handout because of the negative connotation associated with it?

If you pay for it & your pay out is less than what you paid in, is it still hand out?

I-130

Jun 28 2004 : Received at NSC

Oct 25 2004 : Transferred to CSC

Oct 29 2004 : Received at CSC

Nov 8 2004 : Received response from CSC that my file is being requested & review will be done

Nov 10 2004 : Email & online status Approved

Nov 15 2004 : NOA 2 in mail

Dec 16 2004 : NVC assigns case number

Dec 20 2004 : NVC sent DS 3032 to beneficiary, copy of DS 3032 & I-864 fee bill to petitioner

Jan 3 2005 : Petitioner received copy of DS 3032 and I-864 fee bill. Post-marked Dec 23rd.

Jan 11 2005 : Beneficiary received DS 3032 in Indonesia

Jan 31 2005 : Sent DS 3032 to NVC

Feb 8, 2005 : NVC received DS 3032

Feb 21, 2005 : IV fee generated

Feb 25, 2005 : Sent I-864 fee bill

Feb 28, 2005 : I-864 fee bill delivered to St Louis

Mar 3, 2005 : IV fee bill received

Mar 7, 2005 : Sent IV fee bill

Mar 9, 2005 : IV fee bill delivered to St Louis

Mar 28, 2005 : I-864 fee credited against case.

April 6, 2005 : Received I-864 package

April 7, 2005 : Immigrant Visa fee credited against case.

April 11, 2005 : DS 230 is generated

Aug 12, 2005 : I-864 & DS 230 received by NVC

Sep 14, 2005 : RFE on I-864

Nov 3, 2005 : Checklist response received at NVC

Nov 25, 2005 : Case completion

Dec 9, 2005 : Police Cert requested from the Netherlands

Jan 12 2006 : Interview success - Approved !!

Jan 19 2006 : Visa & brown envelope picked up

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Morocco
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I don't see the distinction between the first set and second set. Funded by taxpayers = government handout, no? Is the objection to calling unemployment a government handout because of the negative connotation associated with it?

If you pay for it & your pay out is less than what you paid in, is it still hand out?

If that's your definition, then you can't broadly classify any of the choices as a handout as it will vary by the individual.

To use your previous example, if you pay premiums towards an insurance policy and you have a claim that exceeds your premium contributions, is that a hand out from the insurance company?

ETA: sorry, not your example with the insurance, but someone mentioned it

Edited by Jenn!
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I don't see the distinction between the first set and second set. Funded by taxpayers = government handout, no? Is the objection to calling unemployment a government handout because of the negative connotation associated with it?

If you pay for it & your pay out is less than what you paid in, is it still hand out?

By that definition, so is most private insurance. The only difference is government run vs. private....if one is considered a handout then so is the other kind. How many people refused insurance 'hand-outs' when the amount exceeded what they paid into it?

Filed: Country: Indonesia
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I don't see the distinction between the first set and second set. Funded by taxpayers = government handout, no? Is the objection to calling unemployment a government handout because of the negative connotation associated with it?

If you pay for it & your pay out is less than what you paid in, is it still hand out?

By that definition, so is most private insurance. The only difference is government run vs. private....if one is considered a handout then so is the other kind. How many people refused insurance 'hand-outs' when the amount exceeded what they paid into it?

Not one but as a group. The hand out for me does not require paying into the system to be qualified, no?

I-130

Jun 28 2004 : Received at NSC

Oct 25 2004 : Transferred to CSC

Oct 29 2004 : Received at CSC

Nov 8 2004 : Received response from CSC that my file is being requested & review will be done

Nov 10 2004 : Email & online status Approved

Nov 15 2004 : NOA 2 in mail

Dec 16 2004 : NVC assigns case number

Dec 20 2004 : NVC sent DS 3032 to beneficiary, copy of DS 3032 & I-864 fee bill to petitioner

Jan 3 2005 : Petitioner received copy of DS 3032 and I-864 fee bill. Post-marked Dec 23rd.

Jan 11 2005 : Beneficiary received DS 3032 in Indonesia

Jan 31 2005 : Sent DS 3032 to NVC

Feb 8, 2005 : NVC received DS 3032

Feb 21, 2005 : IV fee generated

Feb 25, 2005 : Sent I-864 fee bill

Feb 28, 2005 : I-864 fee bill delivered to St Louis

Mar 3, 2005 : IV fee bill received

Mar 7, 2005 : Sent IV fee bill

Mar 9, 2005 : IV fee bill delivered to St Louis

Mar 28, 2005 : I-864 fee credited against case.

April 6, 2005 : Received I-864 package

April 7, 2005 : Immigrant Visa fee credited against case.

April 11, 2005 : DS 230 is generated

Aug 12, 2005 : I-864 & DS 230 received by NVC

Sep 14, 2005 : RFE on I-864

Nov 3, 2005 : Checklist response received at NVC

Nov 25, 2005 : Case completion

Dec 9, 2005 : Police Cert requested from the Netherlands

Jan 12 2006 : Interview success - Approved !!

Jan 19 2006 : Visa & brown envelope picked up

Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Morocco
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I don't see the distinction between the first set and second set. Funded by taxpayers = government handout, no? Is the objection to calling unemployment a government handout because of the negative connotation associated with it?

If you pay for it & your pay out is less than what you paid in, is it still hand out?

By that definition, so is most private insurance. The only difference is government run vs. private....if one is considered a handout then so is the other kind. How many people refused insurance 'hand-outs' when the amount exceeded what they paid into it?

Not one but as a group. The hand out for me does not require paying into the system to be qualified, no?

So now you're changing your criterion from pay-in less than payout to no pay-in at all?

Edited by Jenn!
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Can't answer the poll since I'm not a Democrat nor Republican.

I received Social Security from my dad's death (he was a Marine, although he didn't die in combat), some food stamps for a short time while my mom got her #### together (was like 6, and shortly after she started her career and jumped to ~ $70,000/yr), and some financial aid from FAFSA/pell grant/work study for school which is why I am in no debt.

Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Pakistan
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Well 3/4 of medical students @my university were parents with student loans , welfare, medicaid and food stamps.. both republican and democratic. not all of us were born with silver spoon in our ...... with life planned out eh.. what fun would be in that????

august 2004 I-129 filed (neb)

DEC 2004 Approved

interview: SEOUL

MArch 21st , 2005AR for special security clearance,washington

May 18th tranfer case from Seoul to Islammabad

June 21st security clearance done

June 28th online at the embassy in Islamabad

waiting for paper transfer and the good word

OCTOBER 14TH 2005 Interview Number 2: ISLAMABAD, PK

AR number 2 sent to DOS per Islamabad (2 cable request)

Nov 22 okd updated financial and etc proof accepted / embassy waiting for security cables

dec 20th one cable back waiting on 2nd

Jan 17th.. good word recieved. SECURITY CHECKS ALL CLEAR!!! DOS says embassy to contact him within two weeks!!!!!!

FEBRUARY 10th, 2006 VISA RECIEVED!!! They called him In via phone, stamped his passort and sent him on his way!!!

FEB 28th WELCOME HOME>>>POE CHICAGO did not even look at xray, few questions. one hour wait at Poe

march 10th marriage (nikkah at the islamic center)

aug 2006 AOS interview, cond 2 yr GC arrived september

June 2008 applied for removal of conditions on permant residency aka awaiting for 10 yr greencard

Dec 2008 10yr green card approved, no interview.

Filed: Country: Philippines
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I don't see the distinction between the first set and second set. Funded by taxpayers = government handout, no? Is the objection to calling unemployment a government handout because of the negative connotation associated with it?

If you pay for it & your pay out is less than what you paid in, is it still hand out?

By that definition, so is most private insurance. The only difference is government run vs. private....if one is considered a handout then so is the other kind. How many people refused insurance 'hand-outs' when the amount exceeded what they paid into it?

Not one but as a group. The hand out for me does not require paying into the system to be qualified, no?

So now you're changing your criterion from pay-in less than payout to no pay-in at all?

Good point. Also, everyone does pay taxes - property tax, sales tax, income tax, etc. Government programs like Medicaid, Social Security and Food Stamps serve a purpose...and their vitality (just like private insurance) depends on more people paying into than what everyone contributed. If people really take issue with having to bear the financial weight of others in their time of need, then they should opt out of all private insurance because it works the same exact way. Some will use it more than others....period.

Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Brazil
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voted I am a Republican and have resided in government-subsidized housing - as i have lived in on base military housing, so i guess that would count. :unsure:

none of the above on the second choice.

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Democrat, have never taken any form of 'handout', unless you count subsidized student loan interest. (I assumed above the question meant Pell grants, which I think only the insane would refer to as a handout, but I didn't have any of those.)

AOS

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Filed: 8/1/07

NOA1:9/7/07

Biometrics: 9/28/07

EAD/AP: 10/17/07

EAD card ordered again (who knows, maybe we got the two-fer deal): 10/23/-7

Transferred to CSC: 10/26/07

Approved: 11/21/07

Posted
I don't see the distinction between the first set and second set. Funded by taxpayers = government handout, no? Is the objection to calling unemployment a government handout because of the negative connotation associated with it?

Come on :). Calling something 'a government handout' is always more rhetoric than fact. (The reasoning usually seems to be: if it's for people I like, it's just the government doing its job; if it's for people I don't like or don't feel like they deserve it, it's a handout.)

AOS

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Filed: 8/1/07

NOA1:9/7/07

Biometrics: 9/28/07

EAD/AP: 10/17/07

EAD card ordered again (who knows, maybe we got the two-fer deal): 10/23/-7

Transferred to CSC: 10/26/07

Approved: 11/21/07

Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Thailand
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I lived in SE Asia for 3 years and paid my taxes the entire time. I didn't use any US services at all. When I did try to call the embassy once, there was no answer. Now I come back, and they want me to basically shell out $4kUSD to bail out banks? What is this? This government is a joke. I should have just burned my passport and applied for political asylum.

Also, I came back with $20 in my pocket. There was no government bailout to help me with finding a job and a car. Ijust keep giving them more money with nothing in return.

Where was my "bailout?"

Service Center : Vermont Service Center

Consulate : Bangkok, Thailand

Marriage : 2006-11-08

I-130 Sent : 2008-02-22

I-130 NOA1 : 2008-03-10

I-129F Sent : 2008-04-08

I-129F NOA1 : 2008-04-14

I-129F touched: 2008-05-06

I-130 touched: 2008-05-09

I-129F approved 2008-09-05

I-130 approved 2008-09-05

NVC received 2008-09-12

Pay I-864 2008-10-08

Pay IV bill 2008-10-08

Receive Instruction 2008-11-05

Case Complete 2008-11-18

Medical 2009-01-19/20 passed

Receive Pkt 4 2009-01-30

Interview 221g 2009-02-23

Second interview 2009-03-02 Approved

POE DFW 2009-03-07

Received SS card 2009-03-17

Received GC 2009-04-01

Done for 3 years or 10 years. Haven't decided yet.

(I'm going for the IR-1 and blowing off the K-3. Even if it takes an extra couple months, it's worth it to not have to deal with USCIS again)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Note:

Please fill out I-130, wait 6 months for approval, then 3 more months for an interview. (Unless of course we've bombed your country into the stone age, then you qualify for expedited processing.)

Welcome to the USA!!!

 

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