Political Threads

[Heracles 417]

The American people need to demand more from their politicians, as they did with their cars. Only after that moment did the big three American car manufacturers pull their head out of their ### and realize that the American people are not as dumb as they thought they were. And will no longer accept the ####### they sold sell them in the past.

The same logic clearly applies to politics. We need to demand more from politicians. Not just cliches and unfulfilled promises during campaigns.

How many politicians are ironically lawyers. Bull ####### spinning aficionados used to getting off child molesters on "technicalities". Used to spinning ####### to the jury, aka public, to win their case.

Edited September 22, 2008 by Aficionado

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Well it probably wouldn't hurt if people were actually interested in actually discussing politics, rather than clinging to preconceived ideas about what the other side represents - and using this as a means to dismiss them from the equation.

I'm actually paid to talk about history and politics, but it's impossible to have a serious discussion here.

[IAMX 3,055]

Do you not think, even the slightest, that the Republican party has put the country into a right old pickle? This country's economy is as green and slimey as a fresh cucumber straight out of a jar of pickling vinegar. The smell is slightly acidic and rots the very fabric of society.

I always thought you guys had three branches of government. Based on some of what I read here it seems that GWB is 110% responsible for all of the country. Fair enough. Unfortunately he does not have the power to do anything, due to the three levels of government but gets all of the blame. Which leaves the question, why do you guys even have senators or the house. They obviously do not do anything and are dead weight.

When I think of the system here I equate it to a manager having to ask for permission to do something from their staff and the shareholders. Effectively, under such a system, nothing happens unless his staff agree with him. So why hold the manager responsible considering he does not really have the power to do anything. The same applies to the Federal government.

Blaming GWB when Democrats have controlled the house and Senate for nearly a year now is wrong.

You can blame George Bush for most of this.

George Bush (through his crapfaced Attorney General) has abused signing statements to interpret the Geneva convention in the manner he pleases, interpret wiretaps in the way he pleases, and interpret, well, any law passed by Congress any way he pleases. Last I checked the line item veto is no longer legal as it violates separation of powers.

He and his cabinet have refused to testify to Congress in Judiciary Committee oversight hearings (what do you think Congress does? they check the President) -- he's put in judges specifically those who believe you should simply follow the President, and judicial activism is a bad thing, and stare decisis is a good thing, when it only applies to the things you believe in. So he basically is putting in a judicial branch that won't do it's job of oversight on Legislative and the Executive.

I have a lot more if you want to suggest George Bush isn't responsible for most of this.

Indeed the last 2 years on the Democratic Party have been a sham, and they deserve their ratings for their ineptitude, and it's pretty pathetic to me that most of them are going to get re-elected, and even worse, Pelosi will still be there. I hope for a miracle that she would be overtaken by someone else (it's in a SF district), but not likely at all. Nonetheless, Bush deserves the finger pointed at him for the things he did.

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

ahh I guess the only way to handle all this political mess would be to oust out all messed up dems and republicans and get a moral conservative independant

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I suspect on balance, GWB will go down as one of the worst Presidents of the modern time.

[Heracles 417]

The other thing that needs to happen here is getting rid of the two term limit. Such a limit is an obstacle and provides no incentive for any leader to even bother trying during the second term.

Can anyone imagine being told at work you are guaranteed a job for a year and this can be renewed for another. Yet after your second year you are gone. Who would seriously bother trying. Bad Bad example to set for our leaders.

We need to hold them accountable and reward those who do their job well.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Bush is history, and can't be voted in again. It's time for the nitwits that will return to stop being so self absorbed and do some business mindful of what's best for this country, and that doesn't mean kissing European a$$ either.

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

also, gotta add my humble opinion

another of my concerns is that while the dems are blaming the republicans for everything wrong in our country, they are lacking in the morals of our country... main ones commonly such as abortion, gay rights, drugs, adultery and many more raging... to the dems its all about their rights and money that they dont even bother to work hard for... while forgetting the morals of our country are going into the pits of hell and leading our country that very way... straight down... shame shame!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

also, gotta add my humble opinion

another of my concerns is that while the dems are blaming the republicans for everything wrong in our country, they are lacking in the morals of our country... main ones commonly such as abortion, gay rights, drugs, adultery and many more raging... to the dems its all about their rights and money that they dont even bother to work hard for... while forgetting the morals of our country are going into the pits of hell and leading our country that very way... straight down... shame shame!

Well its fine to have *a* moral view certainly. What I would ask however is why someone else's morality should dictate to others how they should live their lives.

I can't say I'm threatened in any way by gay marriage, or if a woman can choose to have an abortion. Are you?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I suspect on balance, GWB will go down as one of the worst Presidents of the modern time.

Hindsight is 20/20. It takes at least 20 years after an historical event to begin to get an objective notion about it.

The other thing that needs to happen here is getting rid of the two term limit. Such a limit is an obstacle and provides no incentive for any leader to even bother trying during the second term.

Can anyone imagine being told at work you are guaranteed a job for a year and this can be renewed for another. Yet after your second year you are gone. Who would seriously bother trying. Bad Bad example to set for our leaders.

We need to hold them accountable and reward those who do their job well.

US Constitution, Article 22: 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Instituted to prevent the presidency from becoming something akin to a monarchy. Franklin Roosevelt, 1933-1945, is the only president to serve more than one elected term in office.

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

also, gotta add my humble opinion

another of my concerns is that while the dems are blaming the republicans for everything wrong in our country, they are lacking in the morals of our country... main ones commonly such as abortion, gay rights, drugs, adultery and many more raging... to the dems its all about their rights and money that they dont even bother to work hard for... while forgetting the morals of our country are going into the pits of hell and leading our country that very way... straight down... shame shame!

Well its fine to have *a* moral view certainly. What I would ask however is why someone else's morality should dictate to others how they should live their lives.

I can't say I'm threatened in any way by gay marriage, or if a woman can choose to have an abortion. Are you?

Politics always go hand in hand with either Power, Money or Religion ... the latter is what gay marriage and abortion dictate in politics

[Sofiyya 1,687]

also, gotta add my humble opinion

another of my concerns is that while the dems are blaming the republicans for everything wrong in our country, they are lacking in the morals of our country... main ones commonly such as abortion, gay rights, drugs, adultery and many more raging... to the dems its all about their rights and money that they dont even bother to work hard for... while forgetting the morals of our country are going into the pits of hell and leading our country that very way... straight down... shame shame!

Well its fine to have *a* moral view certainly. What I would ask however is why someone else's morality should dictate to others how they should live their lives.

I can't say I'm threatened in any way by gay marriage, or if a woman can choose to have an abortion. Are you?

There is no way to have a cohesive national identity without some objective morals. Not everything can be about what makes individuals feel good. A balance must be drawn and is drawn in many other societal norms. This is where the rights vs. responsibility debate draws lines between conservatives and liberals. Liberals emphasize rights, conservatives emphasize responsibility.

[Heracles 417]

Instituted to prevent the presidency from becoming something akin to a monarchy. Franklin Roosevelt, 1933-1945, is the only president to serve more than one elected term in office.

I understand why it was put in place back then but do not believe it is productive now. I would rather provide an incentive for a good leader to keep on trying. Rather than the status quo of try for the first 4 years, then kick back during the second term because you cannot be reelected.

It was a different era when that law was enacted. In 2008 most people look out for the own ###. Rather than their determination to see the country and its people prosper.

Edited September 22, 2008 by Aficionado

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

also, gotta add my humble opinion

another of my concerns is that while the dems are blaming the republicans for everything wrong in our country, they are lacking in the morals of our country... main ones commonly such as abortion, gay rights, drugs, adultery and many more raging... to the dems its all about their rights and money that they dont even bother to work hard for... while forgetting the morals of our country are going into the pits of hell and leading our country that very way... straight down... shame shame!

Well its fine to have *a* moral view certainly. What I would ask however is why someone else's morality should dictate to others how they should live their lives.

I can't say I'm threatened in any way by gay marriage, or if a woman can choose to have an abortion. Are you?

Politics always go hand in hand with either Power, Money or Religion ... the latter is what gay marriage and abortion dictate in politics

and to that quote, i would say that is where liberalism/democratic votes on the religious/politic aspect play... on the other end of it would be the conservative/rep.

[jundp 191]

While we're bringing up abortion and gay rights...if you're talking about Pro Life issues, let's also lump Capital Punishment in there.

It rankles me to see people b!tch about abortion yet not bat an eye at capital punishment. Either you are pro life or you aren't. Don't tell me there's a difference because life is life. When you start saying one is more important than the other, then you are playing God. I do believe there's only one God in my religion who has the right to that judgment. If one believes in the New Testament then I don't know how one can justify this.

Edited September 22, 2008 by jundp