Barack Obama

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

No whining! Obama did very well during the Bush years. He went from a peon to an elistist US Senator living in a mansion9care of Tony Rezko). I did great, too, and have nothing to complain about except that Obama wants me to give up more of my hard earned money to a government that produces nothing, but wants to suck the livin daylight out of its most productive sector.

Obama became a rich man on the public dime during the Bush years and looked out for his rich friends. What's your excuse for not doing better? Who is responsible for your accomplishments or failures other than you? When was the last time a poor person hired you? You can fall for that class envy ####### Obama peddles but that's negativity I don't need.

Please do us all a favor and don't try to equate what you earn with 'productivity', m'kay?

why not?

Why not?

Because you wouldn't even be able to wipe your privileged butt if there wasn't some guy in a factory somewhere making rolls of toilet paper.

That's why.

Is it hard to understand that Average Wage Earner Joe isn't jealous of your wallet, your car or your house? Most of the people I know respect someone who's worked hard and reaps the rewards of that.

But don't try to diminish what an average person's worth is to society simply because he doesn't get paid what you might earn. I daresay you'd have a hard time even making your commute to work each day if it weren't for the laborers who build roads or the grease monkey who fixed the brakes on your car.

privileged butt ??? I have worked damn hard all my life. Maybe you haven't and can't grasp that concept so anyone who does fairly well in their life is considered privileged in your world. I did not diminish anyone in my post as you are well aware. You seem to want to rant on about something that is clearly a sore point in your life. Of course productivity can be equated to earnings. I am still in awe of the doctor that removed my cancer, and who gets paid more than I do. That man CURES people of cancer. I am sure the toilet roll maker would agree that maybe the life saving doctor role is slightly more productive than his. Jeez.

Sorry for disagreeing, but I really believe if a person equates productivity with wages, they have their perspective skewed. Which is why I referred to your 'privileged butt'.

Of course you should be in awe of the Doctor. I bet Average Wage Earner is too - in awe of the Doctors skills that is.

I'm sure you've worked hard all your life. I have too - I happen to work two jobs at the present. I'm just as proud of what I've accomplished as that Doctor is. I might not cure cancer, but I contribute to the economy just as much as you.

One of my bosses is an attorney. He was born into a wealthy family; he makes a good living in his own right; he will inherit literally millions when his father passes away. He's a damn fine lawyer and an honest one too. One of the things I've always liked about him is how much respect he has for Worker Joe. I've seen him go the houses of little old ladies who worked in the glass factory when they wanted to sign a will before they died. I've seen him take on cases for people who couldn't afford to pay him because they were being run over by corporations.

I absolutely believe that in some cases, earnings do equate to productivity, as in the case of my doctor. I am also nothing but respectful for any person doing any job with pride and conviction. I am sure you are proud of your accomplishments to date and of course you contribute to the economy. I am certainly not arguing that point.

I think there's a growing frustration in America over the disconnect of earnings vs. productivity. It's a fact that we've had significant productivity gains over the past economic expansion period. It's also a fact that, at the same time, there has been a stagnation of the incomes of middle-class Americans and the bottom of the earning spectrum fared far worse. When productivity gains are no longer shared by all that contribute to them, then there's a problem. It needs to be addressed.

One needs to look only at the guys that ran giant financial institutions into the ground. They all were richly rewarded for their disservice while the rank and file that bear no responsibility for this gross mismanagement are the one's seeing the short end of the stick. Given this reality in America today, I don't want to hear them whine. They have no reason to.

[rebeccajo 14]

Let them eat cake.

You're a prideful wretch.

Not really, but your jealousy is showing big time. Insha'allah, you will get over it soon.

I didn't need to go to school, I was set for life from birth. I don't have to work, but I do because I love to contribute and to serve God. What I've done for a living for more than 25 years would floor you, but I don't need to try to impress you. You have predetermined notions of who I am, and that is your burden. I know who I am, and I'm just fine.

I don't have any predetermined notions. I glean my perspective from what you write and how you conduct yourself verbally. You were just as clean a slate as anyone else around here when I first started reading you. It's really that simple.

I realize you come here out of boredom. But, what you often see here is people expressing what they REALLY think. I'd daresay you're no different than the rest of us from that standpoint.

Given that, if what you say is true (that you love to contribute and serve God) then the way you conduct yourself here certainly diminishes whatever 'contributions' you feel you are making. Nobody who is sincere in any service to mankind could possibly spit the vile you do.

Suffice it to say I'm not jealous of you. Not by any figment of your deranged imagination.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Think what you want. I have more information on that than do you.

Your refusal to divulge what it is pretty much tells me all I need to know. I guarantee someone else does your service.

You guys dream of a day when this will come about, but that day, if ever, is far off. By that time, the US will resemble Cuba.

Since Cuba has nothing to do with corporate taxes, how about actually explaining (in a useful retort, not a poo-pooing conservative rant about Cuba) the non-feasibility of clamping down upon corporate tax fraud and at the same time lowering corporate taxes.

It's not matter of feasibility, but of doability. Who is up to it? Not the IRS, not the do nothing Congress. CFOs and CEOs still ignore SOX, the last great idea to diminish corporate fraud. The president doesn't have the power to make it happen. This has been an idea for decades, but it's not going to happen unless we have a dictatorship (thus the reference to Cuba).

Let them eat cake.

You're a prideful wretch.

Not really, but your jealousy is showing big time. Insha'allah, you will get over it soon.

I didn't need to go to school, I was set for life from birth. I don't have to work, but I do because I love to contribute and to serve God. What I've done for a living for more than 25 years would floor you, but I don't need to try to impress you. You have predetermined notions of who I am, and that is your burden. I know who I am, and I'm just fine.

I don't have any predetermined notions. I glean my perspective from what you write and how you conduct yourself verbally. You were just as clean a slate as anyone else around here when I first started reading you. It's really that simple.

I realize you come here out of boredom. But, what you often see here is people expressing what they REALLY think. I'd daresay you're no different than the rest of us from that standpoint.

Given that, if what you say is true (that you love to contribute and serve God) then the way you conduct yourself here certainly diminishes whatever 'contributions' you feel you are making. Nobody who is sincere in any service to mankind could possibly spit the vile you do.

Suffice it to say I'm not jealous of you. Not by any figment of your deranged imagination.

I'm not a prideful wretch. Not any any figment of your deranged imagination.

I only know you too from your posts, and I know that you have no credibility to tell others how to post when you are such a constant source of hostile puke and bile.

Even God doesn't expect us to be door mats.

Edited September 21, 2008 by Virtual wife

[metta 0]

Friday, September 19, 2008

In an appearance in Nevada, anti-gun presidential candidate Barack Obama told his followers:

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

"And if they tell you that, 'Well, we're not sure where he stands on guns.' I want you to say, 'He believes in the Second Amendment.'" (http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8999386&nav=168XYT17)

Barack Obama has gone beyond lying about his long anti-gun record. Now he is inciting his followers to lie for him and to be aggressive and confrontational with anyone who will not buy his lies.

The truth must scare Obama, and the truth is, Barack Obama is the most anti-gun candidate who has ever run on a major party ticket in American history. Don't buy Obama's lies. Or the lies repeated by his misguided followers.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4183

[Sofiyya 1,687]

[Heracles 417]

privileged butt ??? I have worked damn hard all my life. Maybe you haven't and can't grasp that concept so anyone who does fairly well in their life is considered privileged in your world. I did not diminish anyone in my post as you are well aware. You seem to want to rant on about something that is clearly a sore point in your life. Of course productivity can be equated to earnings. I am still in awe of the doctor that removed my cancer, and who gets paid more than I do. That man CURES people of cancer. I am sure the toilet roll maker would agree that maybe the life saving doctor role is slightly more productive than his. Jeez.

Rebecajo is subconsciously angry at the federal government rather than looking locally first. While I think there are plenty of beautiful places in West Virginia, the economic perils there are due to mismanagement by their local governments. The federal government is not to blame that the people there are stuck in 20th century blue collar jobs. I have traveled on route 50 numerous times going to Pittsburgh. That road runs through some of the richest suburbs in the country, near Virginia and Maryland, to some of the poorest in West Virginia. Some very nice people live there but they are stuck in a 19th and 20th century economic mindset. So of course when they look at anyone else earning more then they think this is some sort of exploitation by the rich.

West Virginia was the state that decided to break away from Virginia. An extremely dumb financial move. Now you guys are paying for that. Not the rich mans fault there Rebbecca..

Edited September 21, 2008 by Aficionado

[luckytxn 2,264]

No whining! Obama did very well during the Bush years. He went from a peon to an elistist US Senator living in a mansion9care of Tony Rezko). I did great, too, and have nothing to complain about except that Obama wants me to give up more of my hard earned money to a government that produces nothing, but wants to suck the livin daylight out of its most productive sector.

Obama became a rich man on the public dime during the Bush years and looked out for his rich friends. What's your excuse for not doing better? Who is responsible for your accomplishments or failures other than you? When was the last time a poor person hired you? You can fall for that class envy ####### Obama peddles but that's negativity I don't need.

Please do us all a favor and don't try to equate what you earn with 'productivity', m'kay?

why not?

Why not?

Because you wouldn't even be able to wipe your privileged butt if there wasn't some guy in a factory somewhere making rolls of toilet paper.

That's why.

Is it hard to understand that Average Wage Earner Joe isn't jealous of your wallet, your car or your house? Most of the people I know respect someone who's worked hard and reaps the rewards of that.

But don't try to diminish what an average person's worth is to society simply because he doesn't get paid what you might earn. I daresay you'd have a hard time even making your commute to work each day if it weren't for the laborers who build roads or the grease monkey who fixed the brakes on your car.

privileged butt ??? I have worked damn hard all my life. Maybe you haven't and can't grasp that concept so anyone who does fairly well in their life is considered privileged in your world. I did not diminish anyone in my post as you are well aware. You seem to want to rant on about something that is clearly a sore point in your life. Of course productivity can be equated to earnings. I am still in awe of the doctor that removed my cancer, and who gets paid more than I do. That man CURES people of cancer. I am sure the toilet roll maker would agree that maybe the life saving doctor role is slightly more productive than his. Jeez.

I may think of a doctor that saved my life as worthy of the Hero label but to someone that hates my guts he would be a piece of #######.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

I'm gonna spank some butts if you don't all play nicely!

where does the line form?

[rebeccajo 14]

privileged butt ??? I have worked damn hard all my life. Maybe you haven't and can't grasp that concept so anyone who does fairly well in their life is considered privileged in your world. I did not diminish anyone in my post as you are well aware. You seem to want to rant on about something that is clearly a sore point in your life. Of course productivity can be equated to earnings. I am still in awe of the doctor that removed my cancer, and who gets paid more than I do. That man CURES people of cancer. I am sure the toilet roll maker would agree that maybe the life saving doctor role is slightly more productive than his. Jeez.

Rebecajo is subconsciously angry at the federal government rather than looking locally first. While I think there are plenty of beautiful places in West Virginia, the economic perils there are due to mismanagement by their local governments. The federal government is not to blame that the people there are stuck in 20th century blue collar jobs. I have traveled on route 50 numerous times going to Pittsburgh. That road runs through some of the richest suburbs in the country, near Virginia and Maryland, to some of the poorest in West Virginia. Some very nice people live there but they are stuck in a 19th and 20th century economic mindset. So of course when they look at anyone else earning more then they think this is some sort of exploitation by the rich.

West Virginia was the state that decided to break away from Virginia. An extremely dumb financial move. Now you guys are paying for that. Not the rich mans fault there Rebbecca..

Em - people look at "anyone earning more than they do and think of this as some sort of exploitation by the rich"? That's painting people with pretty broad paintbrush, isn't it?

Let me say this again, Arthur, and I'll say it more clearly this time in case you didn't get my meaning - what someone earns is not an indicator of their productivity. It may be that VW and I define productivity differently - I think of it as whether or not someone EARNED their money by producing a needed good or service which is part of the economic 'food chain'. I do not equate it with the sphere of influence someone has BECAUSE of their income to do good or wreck havoc upon their fellow man.

Since you bring up where I live, I'll give you an example of a West Virginia coal miner. Would you say that someone who goes down into a dark tunnel beneath the surface of the earth each day to unearth a product that produces about 15% of the electricity in this country to be part of the economic food chain? Would you say that if he does his job well, that he's productive and necessary to the well-being of this nation? Would you do what he does for a living? It's a dangerous job. Could you do what he does for a living? It takes physical stamina. The typical coal miner earns around $70000 a year. Without him, you would be in the dark.

As for the economic climate in my state, the employment picture here has less to do with mis-management than it does with a tax code that does not reward business ENOUGH for bringing jobs here. It's really not unlike NAFTA and holes in the US tax code which rewards business for outsourcing and taking their headquarters out of the country. Rather than trying to give the citizens of West Virginia a black eye by trying to paint them as throwbacks to another era who envy anybody making a higher wage, it'd be thought provoking for you to look at my state as what could happen to the whole of the US if a government decides to just lie asleep at the wheel and do nothing more than collect taxes.

Edited September 21, 2008 by rebeccajo

[rebeccajo 14]

Think what you want. I have more information on that than do you.

Your refusal to divulge what it is pretty much tells me all I need to know. I guarantee someone else does your service.

You guys dream of a day when this will come about, but that day, if ever, is far off. By that time, the US will resemble Cuba.

Since Cuba has nothing to do with corporate taxes, how about actually explaining (in a useful retort, not a poo-pooing conservative rant about Cuba) the non-feasibility of clamping down upon corporate tax fraud and at the same time lowering corporate taxes.

It's not matter of feasibility, but of doability. Who is up to it? Not the IRS, not the do nothing Congress. CFOs and CEOs still ignore SOX, the last great idea to diminish corporate fraud. The president doesn't have the power to make it happen. This has been an idea for decades, but it's not going to happen unless we have a dictatorship (thus the reference to Cuba).

Let them eat cake.

You're a prideful wretch.

Not really, but your jealousy is showing big time. Insha'allah, you will get over it soon.

I didn't need to go to school, I was set for life from birth. I don't have to work, but I do because I love to contribute and to serve God. What I've done for a living for more than 25 years would floor you, but I don't need to try to impress you. You have predetermined notions of who I am, and that is your burden. I know who I am, and I'm just fine.

I don't have any predetermined notions. I glean my perspective from what you write and how you conduct yourself verbally. You were just as clean a slate as anyone else around here when I first started reading you. It's really that simple.

I realize you come here out of boredom. But, what you often see here is people expressing what they REALLY think. I'd daresay you're no different than the rest of us from that standpoint.

Given that, if what you say is true (that you love to contribute and serve God) then the way you conduct yourself here certainly diminishes whatever 'contributions' you feel you are making. Nobody who is sincere in any service to mankind could possibly spit the vile you do.

Suffice it to say I'm not jealous of you. Not by any figment of your deranged imagination.

I'm not a prideful wretch. Not any any figment of your deranged imagination.

I only know you too from your posts, and I know that you have no credibility to tell others how to post when you are such a constant source of hostile puke and bile.

Even God doesn't expect us to be door mats.

I only give back what I get. If you give me hostile puke and bile, you're gonna get it right back.

Oh, and that door mat thing - nice try. If you can't stand the heat, don't stir the pot.

[yogib37 3]

Poor McCain supporters, they are so used to Bush abusing the constitution that they can't concieve of someone with respect for it, even the parts they don't like.

Obama supporters don't even know what's in the Constitution or they wouldn't be Obama supporters.

Go ahead and vote for MCSAME. Dont cry that you are jobless and on the streets cause he just out for his rich friends.

Mcsame F'ed up this week that it may cost him. he just is old and has a lot of marbles loose between the ears.

I am VOTING for OBAMA, and I know what the Constitution is. and I know who F'ed it up the most also. Dont cry when your husband comes here and he has a hard time getting ssn and getting a bank account cause they need a SSN cause the the patriot act. Dont be surpised that they knock on your door 3 am in the morning and drag him away cause they dont have to have a reason to toss him in jail. and like before Due process, the can make people sit in jail for 2 or 3 or more years before doing the process. The the patriot act at it finest. They wire tap your phones... see before DUMB ** BuSH took office that was all consider unconstitutional but now they can almost do what they want. So the GOP is being the freaking commies.

all this happen under the retard bush watch.

I wont vote for Mcsame because he will just screw things up even more then they are.

No whining! Obama did very well during the Bush years. He went from a peon to an elistist US Senator living in a mansion9care of Tony Rezko). I did great, too, and have nothing to complain about except that Obama wants me to give up more of my hard earned money to a government that produces nothing, but wants to suck the livin daylight out of its most productive sector.

Obama became a rich man on the public dime during the Bush years and looked out for his rich friends. What's your excuse for not doing better? Who is responsible for your accomplishments or failures other than you? When was the last time a poor person hired you? You can fall for that class envy ####### Obama peddles but that's negativity I don't need.

and McSame got rich by marry someone that was super rich. HE was not rich until he married her.

Yes I blame bush for the failures, I was in Aviation and since Sept. 11, Aviation took a dive,

I am doing fine now, at the end of Bush term.

Now if Mcsame wins and takes your money for taxes, I dont what to hear a peep out of you.

Cause if you $hit in the fan, it will blow right back on your A$$.

I always did good under other ADMINS, even Regan I was in good shape, but Bush just Fed this country up so bad, I would not be surpise we will become a 3rd world country soon.

if we keep getting Fcuktards like Bush and McSame and the MILF as VP. Extreme right wingers= Fcukup ecomoy

[yogib37 3]

I'm gonna spank some butts if you don't all play nicely!

where does the line form?

Charles wants to be first, then Bro. Dean and bosco

:lol:

[Pooky 3,784]

and McSame got rich by marry someone that was super rich. HE was not rich until he married her.

Yes I blame bush for the failures, I was in Aviation and since Sept. 11, Aviation took a dive,

I am doing fine now, at the end of Bush term.

Now if Mcsame wins and takes your money for taxes, I dont what to hear a peep out of you.

Cause if you $hit in the fan, it will blow right back on your A$$.

I always did good under other ADMINS, even Regan I was in good shape, but Bush just Fed this country up so bad, I would not be surpise we will become a 3rd world country soon.

if we keep getting Fcuktards like Bush and McSame and the MILF as VP. Extreme right wingers= Fcukup ecomoy

So, you are blaming 9/11 on George W Bush. Nice if you could prove it.

Don't get me wrong, I personally think he's an idiot, surrounded by sharks who are in it for their own personal agendas, and couldn't manage a sneeze in the middle of winter, but the one event you single him out for blame is a mighty big stretch. If Al Qaida was responsible, and the overwhelming weight of evidence points that way, blame Charlie Wilson and Ronald Reagan, for making OBL a "hero" in the Russian-Afghan conflict, and Bill Clinton, for passing up the opportunity to nail him when he had the chance. Sure, the chips fell in 2001, but that was just the end result of 20 years of OBL's scheming.

[Heracles 417]

Yes I blame bush for the failures, I was in Aviation and since Sept. 11, Aviation took a dive,

You blame bush for the airlines. Not the clowns you guys have running them. Or the Unions demanding more and more money. I have experienced some of the worst service, from the oldest hags, who should have moved on a long time ago on US airlines. Thank you unions for preventing airlines from retiring 50 year old bitter air hostesses. And anyone else in the industry for that matter who is still around from the hay days of air travel in America.

Fly with Emirates and then PM me if you still think GWB is to blame. Or even Qantas for that matter on their new A380..

Edited September 22, 2008 by Aficionado

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Yes I blame bush for the failures, I was in Aviation and since Sept. 11, Aviation took a dive,

You blame bush for the airlines. Not the clowns you guys have running them. Or the Unions demanding more and more money. I have experienced some of the worst service, from the oldest hags, who should have moved on a long time ago on US airlines. Thank you unions for preventing airlines from retiring 50 year old bitter air hostesses. And anyone else in the industry for that matter who is still around from the hay days of air travel in America.

Fly with Emirates and then PM me if you still think GWB is to blame. Or even Qantas for that matter on their new A380..

Agreed, while airlines in the US, generally speaking, are one big disaster, I don't think that's Bush's fault. It's gross mismanagement for the most part. Not sure that the unions are to blame; just flew Lufthansa over to Frankfurt on a recent business trip and I must say that I was impressed. Service, timeliness, even pricing. Way better than any US based airline that I've lately had the displeasure of travelling with. Lufthansa is unionized and they manage to provide great service on a modern fleet at very competitive rates. It's the management in the US that's the problem.