Sarah Palin actively promotes aerial hunting of wolves (YouTube video)

[akdiver 3]

there are some people totally against hunting, there are some that support hunting only as a means to put food on the table, there are those that support hunting as a sport, and the list goes on. Its not for you to determine that people have issues if they don't support hunting in one form or another.

If you kill other life forms to sustain yourself, or eat ones that have been killed for you, while criticizing others for killing their own food, then you have issues. If you, as a cognitively enabled adult do not understand how the food chain works, then you also have issues.

Killing an animal for food is a lot like abortion. If you're against it, then don't do it. Leave everyone else alone.

Edited September 21, 2008 by akdiver

[britty 1]

there are some people totally against hunting, there are some that support hunting only as a means to put food on the table, there are those that support hunting as a sport, and the list goes on. Its not for you to determine that people have issues if they don't support hunting in one form or another.

If you kill other life forms to sustain yourself, or eat ones that have been killed for you, while criticizing others for killing their own food, then you have issues. If you, as a cognitively enabled adult do not understand how the food chain works, then you also have issues.

Killing an animal for food is a lot like abortion. If you're against it, then don't do it.

what you said in your previous post was that anyone "against hunting at all has issues". Now it appears it is only those who then go on to eat the life they have hunted and killed, or that has been hunted and killed for them that have issues.

[rebeccajo 14]

From the CNN news archives:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/05/03/....enn/index.html

May 3, 2000

A week ago, hunting wolves from airplanes was illegal in Alaska. Today, the only requirement is a $15 trapping license.

Introduced by Alaska state Sen. Pete Kelly, R-Fairbanks, Bill SB 267 permits anyone with a state trapping or hunting license to spot wolves from the air, land and shoot them on the spot. The bill was vetoed by Gov. Tony Knowles, but state legislators overrode the veto.

The action displaces a citizen's initiative in 1996 that outlawed aerial wolf hunting and curbed wolf eradication programs except in limited cases of biological emergency.

Knowles and a coalition of conservationists and Fish and Game Department officials say the reinstatement of aerial wolf hunting is a tremendous setback for the protection of all wolves in the United States.

"Nobody knows how many wolves there are in the state," said Joel Bennett of Defenders of Wildlife. Bennett served on the Alaska Fish and Game Department for 14 years.

"Estimates that between 4,500 and 10,000 wolves exist come from (studies) based on only a few areas in Alaska," he said. "We do know that wolves are heavily exploited in parts of the state, reduced to levels that would concern any biologist."

Wolves in Alaska are not listed as an endangered species

Alaska is the only state where wolves are not listed under the Endangered Species Act, but conservationists maintain the legislation could put wolf populations at risk.

Monitoring aerial wolf hunts will be a great challenge, Bennett said. "Alaska is a vast place and tens of thousands of people will hold these licenses. It will be difficult to tell if hunters stay within hunting boundaries," he said.

"To track and spot a wolf from an aircraft, land and then kill it, is not considered to be a fair chase method," said Alaska Department of Fish and Game commissioner Frank Rue. "We know from past experience that the practice leads to other abuses such as chasing wolves to exhaustion, herding wolves and shooting them from the air."

The Anchorage Daily News reported that one Alaska resident gunned down 60 wolves from his private plane over a three-year period. "Airplanes are mechanical hawks. Many people want to be challenged by that method of killing," Bennett said.

The lion's share of support for the legislation came from sport hunters who believe wolf-control programs increase game populations. "Many people in Alaska rely on moose and caribou for their food supply," said ####### Bishop, vice president of the Alaska Outdoor Council. "These populations have been declining dramatically."

Bishop added that the governor garnered much of his support from animal protection groups and environmentalists.

Kelley cited the recent attack of a 6-year-old boy by a wolf as evidence that the state should do more to thin out its wolf population. But wildlife management officials and conservationists say the aerial hunting strategy is based on myth and not science.

"The department believes that successful predator control can only be achieved when we have demonstrated that it is based on sound science, is cost-effective and has broad public acceptance," Rue said.

[Pooky 3,794]

Oh come on people. If you're going to criticize it, you should at least know what the issues are.

a). People like to hunt moose for food.

B). Wolves like to hunt moose for food.

c). People and wolves compete for hunting moose for food.

d). If man hunts wolves, that leaves more moose for man.

It's basic predator (wolf) control to leave more prey (moose) for another predator (man).

The people are going to kill the wolves, one way or another. The issue here is whether or not it should be done from the air. Either way, you're killing the wolves.

By the way, wolves are just another animal. If you're not against hunting moose, deer, fish, squirrels, rabbits or anything else, then wolves shouldn't present an issue for you. If you're against hunting at all - well, you've got issues.

FWIW, I'm not a hunter. I don't see what the appeal is - but man kills animals for food - has been doing it since day 1. Get over it.

By the way, the people of Alaska are constantly asked to vote on this issue. Guess what? They support it. So get over it. Mind the animals in your own state.

And yes, Palin is still a moron and I still hope she gets elected VP to get her out of Alaska.

Cheers!

AKDiver

Your argument would be valid if wolf predation on the moose population dropped their numbers significantly. Find me figures to prove it and I could agree that the wolves are attacking "livestock", in the widest sense of the word.

I doubt you will be able to, as there are way more moose than wolves and it takes a concerted attack by a wolf pack to bring down just one full-grown moose. So I'd suggest to you that culling wolves is done simply to make it easier for humans to hunt moose. Another case of man being too damned lazy.

And don't try and tell me that all moose are hunted for food. Killing wolves so that men can go and kill more moose for sport is wrong on every level.

[rebeccajo 14]

[Pooky 3,794]

Solution - authorize the Alaska ANG F-15's to intercept these "low-flying Piper Super Cubs", visually identify that there is a "gunner" on board, then engage said low-flying aircraft with the onboard M61 cannon. 6,000 rounds per minute of 20mm cannon rounds should ensure a humane "kill", which is far better than these aerial sport hunters are giving the wolves.

[ginger1981 0]

When I first looked at the title of the thread I thought it said "Sarah Palin Actively Promotes the Aerial Hunting of Werewolves

If that had been the case I would have 100% agreed with her for once!

Edited September 21, 2008 by ginger1981

[Ban Hammer 13,356]

Oh come on people. If you're going to criticize it, you should at least know what the issues are.

a). People like to hunt moose for food.

B). Wolves like to hunt moose for food.

c). People and wolves compete for hunting moose for food.

d). If man hunts wolves, that leaves more moose for man.

It's basic predator (wolf) control to leave more prey (moose) for another predator (man).

The people are going to kill the wolves, one way or another. The issue here is whether or not it should be done from the air. Either way, you're killing the wolves.

By the way, wolves are just another animal. If you're not against hunting moose, deer, fish, squirrels, rabbits or anything else, then wolves shouldn't present an issue for you. If you're against hunting at all - well, you've got issues.

FWIW, I'm not a hunter. I don't see what the appeal is - but man kills animals for food - has been doing it since day 1. Get over it.

By the way, the people of Alaska are constantly asked to vote on this issue. Guess what? They support it. So get over it. Mind the animals in your own state.

And yes, Palin is still a moron and I still hope she gets elected VP to get her out of Alaska.

Cheers!

AKDiver

um right. wolves hunt moose, ergo they should be shot. you might read farley mowat's "never cry wolf" - he details what wolves primarily eat. it's rodents.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'm with Akdiver. If you haven't lived there and don't understand the issues or lifestyle, you don't get it. Having seen it from the inside as a paralegal to an administrative judge at the Alaska Dept of Fish and Game during my time in Juneau, I saw that there is no one-size-fits-all solution to wildlife control. It shouldn't be politicized or nationalized to the extent that states lose control over what is best for them.

[Ban Hammer 13,356]

I'm with Akdiver. If you haven't lived there and don't understand the issues or lifestyle, you don't get it. Having seen it from the inside as a paralegal to an administrative judge at the Alaska Dept of Fish and Game during my time in Juneau, I saw that there is no one-size-fits-all solution to wildlife control. It shouldn't be politicized or nationalized to the extent that states lose control over what is best for them.

wolf hater!

[akdiver 3]

what you said in your previous post was that anyone "against hunting at all has issues". Now it appears it is only those who then go on to eat the life they have hunted and killed, or that has been hunted and killed for them that have issues.

HUH??

[akdiver 3]

Your argument would be valid if wolf predation on the moose population dropped their numbers significantly. Find me figures to prove it and I could agree that the wolves are attacking "livestock", in the widest sense of the word.

This is why we have a board of fish and game to manage the process from a scientific point of view, determining numbers to be killed, etc.

So I'd suggest to you that culling wolves is done simply to make it easier for humans to hunt moose. Another case of man being too damned lazy.

Um......I think I said it's done to make it easier for humans to hunt moose in the post you quoted. 'Course, not like it's hard to kill a moose anyway. If I were a hunter, and it were legal, I could just sit in my yard and wait for one to come along.

And don't try and tell me that all moose are hunted for food. Killing wolves so that men can go and kill more moose for sport is wrong on every level.

In Alaska, it is illegal to kill a moose and let the meat go to waste, even if you kill it with your car. So, anyone hunting moose purely for "sport" is doing so illegally. Edited September 21, 2008 by akdiver

[akdiver 3]

um right. wolves hunt moose, ergo they should be shot. you might read farley mowat's "never cry wolf" - he details what wolves primarily eat. it's rodents

Yeah - the great Alaska rodent. Try again.

Moose are killed by wolves and black and brown bears. Black bears take moose calves in May and June. Brown bears kill calves and adults the entire time the bears are out of their winter dens. Wolves kill moose throughout the year. Predation limits the growth of many moose populations in Alaska.

- Alaska Department of Fish & Game

[Ban Hammer 13,356]

um right. wolves hunt moose, ergo they should be shot. you might read farley mowat's "never cry wolf" - he details what wolves primarily eat. it's rodents

Yeah - the great Alaska rodent. Try again.

Moose are killed by wolves and black and brown bears. Black bears take moose calves in May and June. Brown bears kill calves and adults the entire time the bears are out of their winter dens. Wolves kill moose throughout the year. Predation limits the growth of many moose populations in Alaska.

- Alaska Department of Fish & Game

i'm sure they've done considerable research like farley mowat did

[akdiver 3]

i'm sure they've done considerable research like farley mowat did

Is farley mowat a wildlife biologist specializing in the study of wolves in Alaska? Didn't think so.

Too bad the wolves don't eat Palin ):

Edited September 21, 2008 by akdiver