"Obamicans" Are Throwbacks To The Days Of Traditional Republicanism

[Sofiyya 1,687]

He [George Obama] said that he was furious at subsequent reports that he had been abandoned by the Obama family and that he was filled with shame about living in a slum. “It seems there are people who want to destroy me and my family,” he said.

“They say I live on a dollar a month, but this is all lies by people who don’t want my brother to win.” He said that he was supported by his mother, Jael, who now lives in the US, and by a cousin in Huruma.

The DNC paid him to say that. At least they paid him; he could use it.

You are so full of yourself.

You seem to be full of me, too. At least you didn't type "ignorant" this time. I'll send you a dictionary. Lots of new words in it. It'll widen your world.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He [George Obama] said that he was furious at subsequent reports that he had been abandoned by the Obama family and that he was filled with shame about living in a slum. “It seems there are people who want to destroy me and my family,” he said.

“They say I live on a dollar a month, but this is all lies by people who don’t want my brother to win.” He said that he was supported by his mother, Jael, who now lives in the US, and by a cousin in Huruma.

The DNC paid him to say that. At least they paid him; he could use it.

You are so full of yourself.

You seem to be full of me, too. At least you didn't type "ignorant" this time. I'll send you a dictionary. Lots of new words in it. It'll widen your world.

Whatever. All you have are talking points you picked up from some extreme right wing, maybe even fascist websites. You know nothing and can't even put forth any credible back-up to any of the ridiculous claims you make. You're not worth my time.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Yep still outraged. It appears that Barack "ive got very long pockets and very short arms" Obarmy has left the financial burden of his brother to Jael and someone in Huruma. If a very rich man like BHO can stick his fingers up at his own brother, imagine what he can do for you....

Obama won't share his book earnings with his own brother, but he expects us to take care of people we don't even know with our earnings.

It is called Socialism. Get used to it.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

He [George Obama] said that he was furious at subsequent reports that he had been abandoned by the Obama family and that he was filled with shame about living in a slum. “It seems there are people who want to destroy me and my family,†he said.

“They say I live on a dollar a month, but this is all lies by people who don’t want my brother to win.†He said that he was supported by his mother, Jael, who now lives in the US, and by a cousin in Huruma.

The DNC paid him to say that. At least they paid him; he could use it.

You are so full of yourself.

You seem to be full of me, too. At least you didn't type "ignorant" this time. I'll send you a dictionary. Lots of new words in it. It'll widen your world.

Whatever. All you have are talking points you picked up from some extreme right wing, maybe even fascist websites. You know nothing and can't even put forth any credible back-up to any of the ridiculous claims you make. You're not worth my time.

Not worth your time? This from a man who not only has said NOTHING credible, but has spent the better part of his evening following me from thread to thread posting insults my way. And to think I tried to help you with a free dictionary! This is why entitlement programs don't work.

Edited September 21, 2008 by Virtual wife

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yep still outraged. It appears that Barack "ive got very long pockets and very short arms" Obarmy has left the financial burden of his brother to Jael and someone in Huruma. If a very rich man like BHO can stick his fingers up at his own brother, imagine what he can do for you....

Obama won't share his book earnings with his own brother, but he expects us to take care of people we don't even know with our earnings.

It is called Socialism. Get used to it.

- it so isn't. Contrary to the propaganda he's promoting a not very radical leftist angle on a few policies - that's doesn't make for Socialist Government. You either agree with it or you don't - there's no need to attach silly extremist labels to the man.

Obama isn't going to turn the country into East Germany -

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Oh man.... suffering from lack of Prozac, are we????

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Yep still outraged. It appears that Barack "ive got very long pockets and very short arms" Obarmy has left the financial burden of his brother to Jael and someone in Huruma. If a very rich man like BHO can stick his fingers up at his own brother, imagine what he can do for you....

Obama won't share his book earnings with his own brother, but he expects us to take care of people we don't even know with our earnings.

It is called Socialism. Get used to it.

- it so isn't. Contrary to the propaganda he's promoting a not very radical leftist angle on a few policies - that's doesn't make for Socialist Government. You either agree with it or you don't - there's no need to attach silly extremist labels to the man.

Obama isn't going to turn the country into East Germany - :lol:

He won't if we don't let him.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Actually it is Gent. He is advocating the largest Socialist program ever yet attempted and expansion to other Socialist programs. That makes him a Socialist and not a Communist like East Germany was. Like you said before. The labels are sticky and I never said he was a communist or wanted to be one. He is a Socialist though. Now I personally do not mind them being that way but be honest and stop getting upset about it. It is deceitful and looks like lying. Now I will continue calling the Socialists as they are. It is my viewpoint of them. Don't like it then tough.

As for the so called Republican running for President. He is of the same cloth. I can see him and Obama standing side by side. McCain is a RINO.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

No doubt McCain is a RINO. I will be holding my nose when I vote, either way.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Actually it is Gent. He is advocating the largest Socialist program ever yet attempted and expansion to other Socialist programs. That makes him a Socialist and not a Communist like East Germany was. Like you said before. The labels are sticky and I never said he was a communist or wanted to be one. He is a Socialist though. Now I personally do not mind them being that way but be honest and stop getting upset about it. It is deceitful and looks like lying. Now I will continue calling the Socialists as they are. It is my viewpoint of them. Don't like it then tough.

As for the so called Republican running for President. He is of the same cloth. I can see him and Obama standing side by side. McCain is a RINO.

McCain's healthcare plan is actually more radical than Obama's, given that he's suggesting doing away with the tax breaks that facilitate employer provided healthcare (and which actually subsidise the costs). Obama's plan is not to get rid of the health insurance system - but simply to subsidise it for the poor and uninsured. Essentially its papering over the cracks (which is why its been criticised for not going far enough). Its hardly the largest Socialist program ever yet attempted (wouldn't that be Social Security?)

Its not deceitful to suggest that arbitrary labels don't really describe the whole. Obama isn't exactly suggesting that we transition the USA to a socialist economy, complete with wholesale nationalization of major industry (the government won't take over the management of hospitals for example). Nor is he suggesting these things as a transition to communism.

If anything his policies ideas are more in line with a social democracy, which would be a more accurate description of his ideology.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Actually they are suggesting this. They tried once before and wanted a take over on the Canada model. (How soon we forget). The Canadian model is a complete takeover of the industry. (Wondering if any also remembering a certain Clinton head of that debacle) They are just tempering their attacks now and trust me when the huge bureaucracy is started then it will be a gradual phase in of total takeover of what is now 1/5th of the U.S. economy.

Obama on his own website said he was for enlarging the social programs in place and for a social health care. McCain is on board as other Reps are in this plan. Now we can call it a social democracy all any one likes but it is still Socialism on a American scale or model. What pissant countries like England or Canada or others do is not our concern here. They can label how they want. I am calling a spade a spade here. (Pun intended)

I also remember seeing on Obamas own website how we will pay for this and it was to recind the tax cuts previously done. Now about 3 weeks ago he said he would wait to do that as the economy is weak right now. Why if it is bad to do that in a economy stumbling along is it ok to do it at any time? The tax cuts that were done before benefited many and mostly all except under the poverty level. That is a tax increase for middle class and not just the rich. The rich do pay most of all taxes and since I am not rich then I could care less if they pay even more. Screw them. I do know if the tax cuts are recinded then I will pay more. With a socialized health care I know it will have to be paid for and the rich are not paying all that huge increase of Federal expenditures.

Like I said before McCain is of the same cloth. He and other so called Conservatives are going to hold hands with the Socialists and give us this Socialization of this country. It can't be done by one party alone. We are too split down the middle for that.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Yes Social Security is now. What do you think of a complete takeover of the health care industry would be? I think it would be huge and make Social Security pale by comparison.

If we are going to have these Social prgrams then lets pay for them and stop playing around and bankrupting ourselves.

But again my Congressman is Ron Paul and know the guy and his family. I have always voted for him and like the guy so I must be as kooky as him.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

He isn't suggesting anything of the kind. In a nutshell the proposed plan is to subsidise healthcare for the poor (or for people running small businesses) who are unable to afford it themselves - via a subsidised insurance plan. Also to set up a regulatory body for people who want to purchase private insurance themselves. That's the gist of it.

He is not, I repeat not, suggesting that the government dispose of the private health insurance industry, or that doctors and hospitals be brought into the employ of the Federal Government.

McCain isn't of "the same cloth". His plan does the exact opposite - it has nothing to do with socialism or socialized medicine. In essence he would do away with the tax credit that employers get for providing health plans and give *a* tax break to individuals to buy their own insurance. It does absolutely nothing to ensure access to the program, and it does nothing to address the high costs inherent in the healthcare system. He's assuming that giving people the perception of choice will magically make healthcare cheap and affordable.

Whatever you think of these plans (and I have reservations about both of them) - don't try to paint them as something they aren't.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Actually it is Gent. He is advocating the largest Socialist program ever yet attempted and expansion to other Socialist programs. That makes him a Socialist and not a Communist like East Germany was. Like you said before. The labels are sticky and I never said he was a communist or wanted to be one. He is a Socialist though. Now I personally do not mind them being that way but be honest and stop getting upset about it. It is deceitful and looks like lying. Now I will continue calling the Socialists as they are. It is my viewpoint of them. Don't like it then tough.

As for the so called Republican running for President. He is of the same cloth. I can see him and Obama standing side by side. McCain is a RINO.

Pure BS. Public roads, schools, libraries, the USPS are all social programs that this country has had long before the Democratic Party was a household name...by your logic then, we are a Socialist country and have been for a long time. And by your definition, just about every developed nation is a Socialist nation.

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

Which private industries are being threatened by the Democratic Party? Health insurance companies?

Like other developed nations, the U.S. can and should make progress in areas like universal healthcare, not because there is an agenda towards socialism, but because it makes sense and there is enough support for doing so. The Democratic Party platform believes that the government cannot solve every social ill in this country, but it can play a supportive role in areas such as education and healthcare.

[IAMX 3,055]

Being a corporate hawk no less than most politicians in bed with private interests, Obama is no socialist. Sadly the word Socialist and Communist are thrown around and I doubt people have any real understanding of how extremely few people are the type of Socialist or Communist that has anything to do with Stalin or Mao. Being someone who caters to the Socialist Party USA's platform, it's to have an understanding that this is how most first world countries operate, even this one to a larger extent. It would just be nice though if our socialism would cater more to people, not so much corporations as it does now.

When conservatives talk about hating government intervention, then are for the government takeovers that just happened -- you just catered to socialism. So it's nigh impossible to believe that someone with an ounce of logic would denounce the type of socialism seen in countries today. This one just has a specific problem relating to corporations over people's interests.