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There have been plenty of comments John McCain has made over the course of the campaign, which he now regrets. Admitting he doesn't understand the economy certainly ranks right up there; calling Social Security a "disgrace" has to be in the top five; and his dismissal of those who seek national office after a short time as a governor certainly looks embarrassig. But this is a real doozy. Here's McCain, very recently, on the benefits of market-based health reform:

"Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation."

As Paul Krugman explained, "McCain, who now poses as the scourge of Wall Street, was praising financial deregulation like 10 seconds ago -- and promising that if we marketize health care, it will perform as well as the financial industry!"

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My FIL had a heart episode the other day that required hospitalization. Ended up checking himself out of hospital so that his cardiologist can run the necessary tests at a much lower cost than the hospital (and guaranteeing that the services will be covered by his insurance). This is not two years after a friend of ours did the exact same thing following a mild stroke.

What's the justification for a healthcare system that requires people to make such choices?

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My FIL had a heart episode the other day that required hospitalization. Ended up checking himself out of hospital so that his cardiologist can run the necessary tests at a much lower cost than the hospital (and guaranteeing that the services will be covered by his insurance). This is not two years after a friend of ours did the exact same thing following a mild stroke.

What's the justification for a healthcare system that requires people to make such choices?

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The problem with health care, is that it's too expensive! :lol:

I have very little hope left that there will be any substantial change in the health care system no matter who gets into the WH though. It's too much of a hot potato for most to handle and I don't think Obama will want to get bogged down with it should he be elected, and the McCain/Palin ticket simply doesn't give a ####.

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The problem with health care, is that it's too expensive! :lol:

I have very little hope left that there will be any substantial change in the health care system no matter who gets into the WH though. It's too much of a hot potato for most to handle and I don't think Obama will want to get bogged down with it should he be elected, and the McCain/Palin ticket simply doesn't give a ####.

Market based health care could work, but it never be able cover everyone, and it would require some fundamental changes that many people would be uncomfortable with. Like ending socialized emergency response/care.

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The problem with health care, is that it's too expensive! :lol:

I have very little hope left that there will be any substantial change in the health care system no matter who gets into the WH though. It's too much of a hot potato for most to handle and I don't think Obama will want to get bogged down with it should he be elected, and the McCain/Palin ticket simply doesn't give a ####.

I agree with you there - there's too much of an establishment against it to hope for much chance of a real change. Short of some sort of major scandal that galvanises the issue I don't think we'll see change sometime soon.

Still McCain's plan does blow goats. Not that I think that will get very far... nor should it.

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His idea is spot on.

Rather than a company deciding who we use, we should be able to use that money to pick our own provider. This does not provide universal health care but at least gives people more choices and allows them to pick a deal that suits their circumstances.

The only way for UHC to work is for the federal government to setup their own public hospital network, health insurance system and add a new UHC tax levy of around 3% for every tax payer to fund it.

The only way to deliver it using the private sector is by providing multiple tiers of service. Otherwise service quality will drop.

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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mccain said that america had the best health care in the world (despite the fact that most cant afford it), so why change it? is he admitting he was wrong?

I would agree America does have one of the best health care systems in the world. Consequently, yes, not everyone can afford it.

There is no easy fix. People want cheap health care as well as universal health care. Like saying I want to buy a BMW at a Chevy price and I also want the BMW for everyone. Not going to happen..

According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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I would agree America does have one of the best health care systems in the world. Consequently, yes, not everyone can afford it.

There is no easy fix. People want cheap health care as well as universal health care. Like saying I want to buy a BMW at a Chevy price and I also want the BMW for everyone. Not going to happen..

people die because they can't afford healthcare. i've seen it happen, sadly. i'm not disputing that there aren't world class doctors there, but the fact that a lot of people can't afford it means that it cannot be the best healthcare system in the world. i totally agree that there is no easy fix.

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I would agree America does have one of the best health care systems in the world. Consequently, yes, not everyone can afford it.

There is no easy fix. People want cheap health care as well as universal health care. Like saying I want to buy a BMW at a Chevy price and I also want the BMW for everyone. Not going to happen..

people die because they can't afford healthcare. i've seen it happen, sadly. i'm not disputing that there aren't world class doctors there, but the fact that a lot of people can't afford it means that it cannot be the best healthcare system in the world. i totally agree that there is no easy fix.

Right, people die here because they have no health insurance. Some people also get sub standard care in the UK because the particular NHS trust they belong to cannot afford to adequatly treat them; I've SEEN that happen too. If I had a dollar for every person that's said to me " I want free healthcare, like they have in England", I'd be rich....You pay for it one way or another.

I am interested to see how healthcare is going to be handled in the upcoming Prez debates.

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Right, people die here because they have no health insurance. Some people also get sub standard care in the UK because the particular NHS trust they belong to cannot afford to adequatly treat them; I've SEEN that happen too. If I had a dollar for every person that's said to me " I want free healthcare, like they have in England", I'd be rich....You pay for it one way or another.

I am interested to see how healthcare is hoing to be handled in the upcoming Prez debates.

yes people can't afford health insurance, and i think that is very sad :( how can anyone stand by and watch someone die? i am NOT promoting the NHS though. i am all too aware of its shortcomings.

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