Blocking Care for Women

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

No surprise private insurers, or, better yet, dumbasses with hypocritical moral values, would want to prevent a woman from performing an abortion. And to the poster who talks about private health insurance, this is the exact reason why there's no compromise with conservatives on the issue. Far, far too ideological, and it isn't even regarding them. Keep your own beliefs to yourself and quit trying to enforce them on others. Doctors are already allowed to be bigoted if they choose. Thankfully there's enough Planned Parenthood's out there to assist women in making a better choice, which might include adoption, or even performing an abortion to put themselves in a better position to parent later and ultimately (hopefully) learn from their mistake.

hopefully that in bold will apply to those who don't believe in a higher power.

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This scares me SO much as a future doctor. I know several individuals I go to school with who have stated they will deny treatment for things like this if they are allowed. One girl wants to be an ER doctor and has stated she wouldn't give Plan B contraception (NOT an abortion pill) to rape victims. I can understand not providing abortions as you are ending a life, but denying emergency treatment is ridiculous. There needs to be limits. If you are going to allow doctors to pick and choose which services they provide, you need to make sure there is quick and adequate access given to patients to physicians that WILL perform those services. If you dont want to help a rape victim, shame on you, but there MUST be a doctor on staff that can provide such a service. If you dont want to give a woman birth control, shame on you, but you need to have a physician in your practice that can write the prescription, or at the very least be required to tell your patient the name of a physician that actually will treat them adequately. Medicine isn't comfortable. You don't get to do what you want all the time. If you don't want to adequately treat your patients, don't be a doctor.

[IAMX 3,055]

No surprise private insurers, or, better yet, dumbasses with hypocritical moral values, would want to prevent a woman from performing an abortion. And to the poster who talks about private health insurance, this is the exact reason why there's no compromise with conservatives on the issue. Far, far too ideological, and it isn't even regarding them. Keep your own beliefs to yourself and quit trying to enforce them on others. Doctors are already allowed to be bigoted if they choose. Thankfully there's enough Planned Parenthood's out there to assist women in making a better choice, which might include adoption, or even performing an abortion to put themselves in a better position to parent later and ultimately (hopefully) learn from their mistake.

hopefully that in bold will apply to those who don't believe in a higher power.

I don't see them forcing abortions upon people who don't want one. Or telling religious people to accept gay marriage.

So you'll have to show me where that would apply to the non-religious.

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I think this is getting too far... I can understand about refusing to perform abortion but included giving the contraception? come on!!!

george bush must have a hatred towards women or something because he always seems to do things like this... anyone remember this story?

"In high doses, progesterone receptor moderators (PRMs) like mifepristone (RU-486) terminate an early pregnancy by halting development of the placenta. In much smaller doses, they could combat endometriosis, fibroids and even brain cancers, because they block the action of the hormone progesterone.

PRMs given as contraceptives would also stop periods altogether - dramatically cutting monthly exposure to oestrogen and progesterone, hormones also linked with breast cancer."

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19025451.900

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

No surprise private insurers, or, better yet, dumbasses with hypocritical moral values, would want to prevent a woman from performing an abortion. And to the poster who talks about private health insurance, this is the exact reason why there's no compromise with conservatives on the issue. Far, far too ideological, and it isn't even regarding them. Keep your own beliefs to yourself and quit trying to enforce them on others. Doctors are already allowed to be bigoted if they choose. Thankfully there's enough Planned Parenthood's out there to assist women in making a better choice, which might include adoption, or even performing an abortion to put themselves in a better position to parent later and ultimately (hopefully) learn from their mistake.

hopefully that in bold will apply to those who don't believe in a higher power.

I don't see them forcing abortions upon people who don't want one. Or telling religious people to accept gay marriage.

So you'll have to show me where that would apply to the non-religious.

i've seen that in vj.

[IAMX 3,055]

No surprise private insurers, or, better yet, dumbasses with hypocritical moral values, would want to prevent a woman from performing an abortion. And to the poster who talks about private health insurance, this is the exact reason why there's no compromise with conservatives on the issue. Far, far too ideological, and it isn't even regarding them. Keep your own beliefs to yourself and quit trying to enforce them on others. Doctors are already allowed to be bigoted if they choose. Thankfully there's enough Planned Parenthood's out there to assist women in making a better choice, which might include adoption, or even performing an abortion to put themselves in a better position to parent later and ultimately (hopefully) learn from their mistake.

hopefully that in bold will apply to those who don't believe in a higher power.

I don't see them forcing abortions upon people who don't want one. Or telling religious people to accept gay marriage.

So you'll have to show me where that would apply to the non-religious.

i've seen that in vj.

Well try thinking about it logically for a second.

Is your acceptance a requirement of two gays being together? Do they need you to attend their wedding? Do they need you to be a witness?

There is no reason why you would need to accept of anything. The last thing gays care about, nor anyone else who wants them to have their freedom so we can move on from the issue, is what religious people think.

The only problem is it's religious people blocking them.

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

No surprise private insurers, or, better yet, dumbasses with hypocritical moral values, would want to prevent a woman from performing an abortion. And to the poster who talks about private health insurance, this is the exact reason why there's no compromise with conservatives on the issue. Far, far too ideological, and it isn't even regarding them. Keep your own beliefs to yourself and quit trying to enforce them on others. Doctors are already allowed to be bigoted if they choose. Thankfully there's enough Planned Parenthood's out there to assist women in making a better choice, which might include adoption, or even performing an abortion to put themselves in a better position to parent later and ultimately (hopefully) learn from their mistake.

hopefully that in bold will apply to those who don't believe in a higher power.

I don't see them forcing abortions upon people who don't want one. Or telling religious people to accept gay marriage.

So you'll have to show me where that would apply to the non-religious.

i've seen that in vj.

Well try thinking about it logically for a second.

Is your acceptance a requirement of two gays being together? Do they need you to attend their wedding? Do they need you to be a witness?

There is no reason why you would need to accept of anything. The last thing gays care about, nor anyone else who wants them to have their freedom so we can move on from the issue, is what religious people think.

The only problem is it's religious people blocking them.

not surprisingly, you've missed the entire point. i don't need nor require a lecture from left field about how the gays don't need this nor that. i commented strictly on the fact that religious people are told to accept gay marriage. you decided to turn that into some wild tangent totally off the subject rather than acknowledging that such does occur.

[HAL 9000 96]

No surprise private insurers, or, better yet, dumbasses with hypocritical moral values, would want to prevent a woman from performing an abortion. And to the poster who talks about private health insurance, this is the exact reason why there's no compromise with conservatives on the issue. Far, far too ideological, and it isn't even regarding them. Keep your own beliefs to yourself and quit trying to enforce them on others. Doctors are already allowed to be bigoted if they choose. Thankfully there's enough Planned Parenthood's out there to assist women in making a better choice, which might include adoption, or even performing an abortion to put themselves in a better position to parent later and ultimately (hopefully) learn from their mistake.

hopefully that in bold will apply to those who don't believe in a higher power.

But where does an opposing religious viewpoint come in to play in allowing someone to have free will? Oh riiiight... its not the atheists pushing free will on people again is it!!!!

Edited September 20, 2008 by maviwaro

[IAMX 3,055]

No surprise private insurers, or, better yet, dumbasses with hypocritical moral values, would want to prevent a woman from performing an abortion. And to the poster who talks about private health insurance, this is the exact reason why there's no compromise with conservatives on the issue. Far, far too ideological, and it isn't even regarding them. Keep your own beliefs to yourself and quit trying to enforce them on others. Doctors are already allowed to be bigoted if they choose. Thankfully there's enough Planned Parenthood's out there to assist women in making a better choice, which might include adoption, or even performing an abortion to put themselves in a better position to parent later and ultimately (hopefully) learn from their mistake.

hopefully that in bold will apply to those who don't believe in a higher power.

I don't see them forcing abortions upon people who don't want one. Or telling religious people to accept gay marriage.

So you'll have to show me where that would apply to the non-religious.

i've seen that in vj.

Well try thinking about it logically for a second.

Is your acceptance a requirement of two gays being together? Do they need you to attend their wedding? Do they need you to be a witness?

There is no reason why you would need to accept of anything. The last thing gays care about, nor anyone else who wants them to have their freedom so we can move on from the issue, is what religious people think.

The only problem is it's religious people blocking them.

not surprisingly, you've missed the entire point. i don't need nor require a lecture from left field about how the gays don't need this nor that. i commented strictly on the fact that religious people are told to accept gay marriage. you decided to turn that into some wild tangent totally off the subject rather than acknowledging that such does occur.

What's the entire point? Last I checked it was my post, my point.

Not sure if that's what your arguing or the irrelevant or pedantic nature of the word "telling". Maybe I should have used "forcing", so not to have my post nitpicked.

[HAL 9000 96]

This scares me SO much as a future doctor. I know several individuals I go to school with who have stated they will deny treatment for things like this if they are allowed. One girl wants to be an ER doctor and has stated she wouldn't give Plan B contraception (NOT an abortion pill) to rape victims. I can understand not providing abortions as you are ending a life, but denying emergency treatment is ridiculous. There needs to be limits. If you are going to allow doctors to pick and choose which services they provide, you need to make sure there is quick and adequate access given to patients to physicians that WILL perform those services. If you dont want to help a rape victim, shame on you, but there MUST be a doctor on staff that can provide such a service. If you dont want to give a woman birth control, shame on you, but you need to have a physician in your practice that can write the prescription, or at the very least be required to tell your patient the name of a physician that actually will treat them adequately. Medicine isn't comfortable. You don't get to do what you want all the time. If you don't want to adequately treat your patients, don't be a doctor.

Do you think honestly... something like this will hold steam for long? I don't think so. But who knows?

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

But where does an opposing religious viewpoint come in to play in allowing someone to have free will? Oh riiiight... its not the atheists pushing free will on people again is it!!!!

no it's more like the atheists deriding anyone who believes in a higher power

No surprise private insurers, or, better yet, dumbasses with hypocritical moral values, would want to prevent a woman from performing an abortion. And to the poster who talks about private health insurance, this is the exact reason why there's no compromise with conservatives on the issue. Far, far too ideological, and it isn't even regarding them. Keep your own beliefs to yourself and quit trying to enforce them on others. Doctors are already allowed to be bigoted if they choose. Thankfully there's enough Planned Parenthood's out there to assist women in making a better choice, which might include adoption, or even performing an abortion to put themselves in a better position to parent later and ultimately (hopefully) learn from their mistake.

hopefully that in bold will apply to those who don't believe in a higher power.

I don't see them forcing abortions upon people who don't want one. Or telling religious people to accept gay marriage.

So you'll have to show me where that would apply to the non-religious.

i've seen that in vj.

Well try thinking about it logically for a second.

Is your acceptance a requirement of two gays being together? Do they need you to attend their wedding? Do they need you to be a witness?

There is no reason why you would need to accept of anything. The last thing gays care about, nor anyone else who wants them to have their freedom so we can move on from the issue, is what religious people think.

The only problem is it's religious people blocking them.

not surprisingly, you've missed the entire point. i don't need nor require a lecture from left field about how the gays don't need this nor that. i commented strictly on the fact that religious people are told to accept gay marriage. you decided to turn that into some wild tangent totally off the subject rather than acknowledging that such does occur.

What's the entire point? Last I checked it was my post, my point.

Not sure if that's what your arguing or the irrelevant or pedantic nature of the word "telling". Maybe I should have used "forcing", so not to have my post nitpicked.

slice it however you want i've made my point.

[HAL 9000 96]

But where does an opposing religious viewpoint come in to play in allowing someone to have free will? Oh riiiight... its not the atheists pushing free will on people again is it!!!!

no it's more like the atheists deriding anyone who believes in a higher power

No surprise private insurers, or, better yet, dumbasses with hypocritical moral values, would want to prevent a woman from performing an abortion. And to the poster who talks about private health insurance, this is the exact reason why there's no compromise with conservatives on the issue. Far, far too ideological, and it isn't even regarding them. Keep your own beliefs to yourself and quit trying to enforce them on others. Doctors are already allowed to be bigoted if they choose. Thankfully there's enough Planned Parenthood's out there to assist women in making a better choice, which might include adoption, or even performing an abortion to put themselves in a better position to parent later and ultimately (hopefully) learn from their mistake.

hopefully that in bold will apply to those who don't believe in a higher power.

I don't see them forcing abortions upon people who don't want one. Or telling religious people to accept gay marriage.

So you'll have to show me where that would apply to the non-religious.

i've seen that in vj.

Well try thinking about it logically for a second.

Is your acceptance a requirement of two gays being together? Do they need you to attend their wedding? Do they need you to be a witness?

There is no reason why you would need to accept of anything. The last thing gays care about, nor anyone else who wants them to have their freedom so we can move on from the issue, is what religious people think.

The only problem is it's religious people blocking them.

not surprisingly, you've missed the entire point. i don't need nor require a lecture from left field about how the gays don't need this nor that. i commented strictly on the fact that religious people are told to accept gay marriage. you decided to turn that into some wild tangent totally off the subject rather than acknowledging that such does occur.

What's the entire point? Last I checked it was my post, my point.

Not sure if that's what your arguing or the irrelevant or pedantic nature of the word "telling". Maybe I should have used "forcing", so not to have my post nitpicked.

slice it however you want i've made my point.

Perhaps a few. At least not the ones I've come across. In fact, its usually the other way around- atheists keeping their mouth shut while us religious believers tell them what to have to tolerate.

I don't think its an issue of acceptance. It would be a hell of a lot easier to tolerate, but that is simply too far out of many vocabulary books.

[IAMX 3,055]

no it's more like the atheists deriding anyone who believes in a higher power

What about agnostics?

And you realize that many aren't deriding people who believe in a higher power based upon the higher power itself, but what they do to others based upon these beliefs, right? This is prevalent in people who are even religious, Christians, Muslims, etc., not only toward people in their own religion, but toward those in others. If people would live and let live this wouldn't be a problem. Not surprisingly, in a melting pot in this area, there is far more tolerance than throughout the nation. Which is why we're one step up on the social evolution ladder.

slice it however you want i've made my point.

What IS your point? Are you wanting to discuss or just make nonsensical points for the hell of it?

[HAL 9000 96]

no it's more like the atheists deriding anyone who believes in a higher power

What about agnostics?

And you realize that many aren't deriding people who believe in a higher power based upon the higher power itself, but what they do to others based upon these beliefs, right? This is prevalent in people who are even religious, Christians, Muslims, etc., not only toward people in their own religion, but toward those in others. If people would live and let live this wouldn't be a problem. Not surprisingly, in a melting pot in this area, there is far more tolerance than throughout the nation. Which is why we're one step up on the social evolution ladder.

slice it however you want i've made my point.

What IS your point? Are you wanting to discuss or just make nonsensical points for the hell of it?

More like agreeing to disagree. Give it time.

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

no it's more like the atheists deriding anyone who believes in a higher power

What about agnostics?

And you realize that many aren't deriding people who believe in a higher power based upon the higher power itself, but what they do to others based upon these beliefs, right? This is prevalent in people who are even religious, Christians, Muslims, etc., not only toward people in their own religion, but toward those in others. If people would live and let live this wouldn't be a problem. Not surprisingly, in a melting pot in this area, there is far more tolerance than throughout the nation. Which is why we're one step up on the social evolution ladder.

slice it however you want i've made my point.

What IS your point? Are you wanting to discuss or just make nonsensical points for the hell of it?

it's only nonsensical to you as you missed it