K-1 Denial and Cairo, Egypt Embassy Questions

[My Mohammed 2]

I was reading another post concerning denials and concerns of others. Posted was a list of reasons one might be denied and a member from, Egypt said, Cairo was the Embassy from hell. Cairo is where our petition will go through. I have a few concerns on 3 of the reasons one might be denied.

6. Petitioner submits phone records that show he uses a residential phone number that is listed in the name of another person.

** We have never used a phone to communicate as we met on" World of Warcraft", an online game and we use its ingame chat system to talk as well as Skype. I have used my parents phone a few times to call him when i'm home and not in Egypt. But, I live at the same address as my parents. This is clearly noted on my Passport n Drivers Licenses. Will it be a concern if I submit the few phone records I have and the phone in my dads name?

7. US divorce followed very quickly by an engagement to foreign beneficiary is often a red flag for consular officers.

** I met my fiance on 4/07 on the game and were friends. My husband left me on 6/07, our marriage was over before that for many years. My ex and I did not get our divorce final until 7/14/07. On 7/24/07, my fiance asked me to marry him. I was divorced as he said it wouldn't be proper to ask me unless we were divorced. Is this a concern I should have since I was divorced and asked to marry so soon?

8. There is little or no documentary evidence of the relationship prior to the actual engagement.

** I don't know about this one.. As I said, we talked on the games ingame chat system and through Skype, but I have always erased my Skype chats as when my ex comes to visit with my daughter... and i'm in Egypt, he uses my computer and I dont want him to read private talk between my finace and I.

I didn't file until 7/08 and I have proof of many trips to Egypt, some phone bills, chats from Skype, web cam pics of us n my daughter talking etc.. Once I filed I have been careful to keep proof of our relationship. If they were to ask for anything prior to Jan,08 my first trip to Egypt. I couldnt provide them with anything. I never thought i'd need proof of anything as I never thought of a visa.. didn't know anything about a visa at all.

If you have any advice or thoughts i'd like to hear them as i'm getting worried and might be for no reason.

[UmmSqueakster 54]

I haven't been around for awhile, but it seems to me that Cairo is known for it's hellish long waits after the interview (aka AP or AR), but there have been very few denials. And more recently it seems like the long waits have gotten quite a bit shorter.

We didn't submit any phone bills at all. Did you save any emails? I printed off screen shots of my inbox from various points in our relationship.

Hopefully some people with more recent Cairo experience can chime in.

[My Mohammed 2]

I haven't been around for awhile, but it seems to me that Cairo is known for it's hellish long waits after the interview (aka AP or AR), but there have been very few denials. And more recently it seems like the long waits have gotten quite a bit shorter.

We didn't submit any phone bills at all. Did you save any emails? I printed off screen shots of my inbox from various points in our relationship.

Hopefully some people with more recent Cairo experience can chime in.

** We have never emailed each other what was the point when we spent hours together on a game chatting constantly. I believe I have a few calls from 2/08 until to date, copies of Skype chats, pics of us during my visits etc. I have NO proof what so ever of us prior to 1/08. It was all done on the games ingame chat and there is No way to copy anything as thats not an option.

[Egyptian Pharaoh 0]

I was reading another post concerning denials and concerns of others. Posted was a list of reasons one might be denied and a member from, Egypt said, Cairo was the Embassy from hell. Cairo is where our petition will go through. I have a few concerns on 3 of the reasons one might be denied.

6. Petitioner submits phone records that show he uses a residential phone number that is listed in the name of another person.

** We have never used a phone to communicate as we met on" World of Warcraft", an online game and we use its ingame chat system to talk as well as Skype. I have used my parents phone a few times to call him when i'm home and not in Egypt. But, I live at the same address as my parents. This is clearly noted on my Passport n Drivers Licenses. Will it be a concern if I submit the few phone records I have and the phone in my dads name?

7. US divorce followed very quickly by an engagement to foreign beneficiary is often a red flag for consular officers.

** I met my fiance on 4/07 on the game and were friends. My husband left me on 6/07, our marriage was over before that for many years. My ex and I did not get our divorce final until 7/14/07. On 7/24/07, my fiance asked me to marry him. I was divorced as he said it wouldn't be proper to ask me unless we were divorced. Is this a concern I should have since I was divorced and asked to marry so soon?

8. There is little or no documentary evidence of the relationship prior to the actual engagement.

** I don't know about this one.. As I said, we talked on the games ingame chat system and through Skype, but I have always erased my Skype chats as when my ex comes to visit with my daughter... and i'm in Egypt, he uses my computer and I dont want him to read private talk between my finace and I.

I didn't file until 7/08 and I have proof of many trips to Egypt, some phone bills, chats from Skype, web cam pics of us n my daughter talking etc.. Once I filed I have been careful to keep proof of our relationship. If they were to ask for anything prior to Jan,08 my first trip to Egypt. I couldnt provide them with anything. I never thought i'd need proof of anything as I never thought of a visa.. didn't know anything about a visa at all.

If you have any advice or thoughts i'd like to hear them as i'm getting worried and might be for no reason.

it seems like there are so many members on the visa journey have the same situation

we have never used phone calls for communicate we just used yahoo voice all the time so i don't know if that ok or not ( we have some webcam pictures when we were talking throw yahoo...

i met my fiancee when she was still married to a guy from Egypt and she was having hard time to get him divorce her ( she married him in dec of 2005 and we met online in feb 2006 and we met the first time in aug of 2006 and then she got divorced in nov of 2006 and then we met another time in 2007 ......we tried to get married as so much people here on the visa journey from egy but we couldn't cause of that prob between the usa embassy and the egy government so i think we are in the usa embassy system that we tried to get married ........

another thing maybe she will not come to see me again and we will file for the visa soon so maybe it will be more than 2 years we didn't met at the interview date???i wonder if that ok or not

[pushbrk 13,123]

I haven't been around for awhile, but it seems to me that Cairo is known for it's hellish long waits after the interview (aka AP or AR), but there have been very few denials. And more recently it seems like the long waits have gotten quite a bit shorter.

We didn't submit any phone bills at all. Did you save any emails? I printed off screen shots of my inbox from various points in our relationship.

Hopefully some people with more recent Cairo experience can chime in.

** We have never emailed each other what was the point when we spent hours together on a game chatting constantly. I believe I have a few calls from 2/08 until to date, copies of Skype chats, pics of us during my visits etc. I have NO proof what so ever of us prior to 1/08. It was all done on the games ingame chat and there is No way to copy anything as thats not an option.

As I wrote today in another thread, it is quite common for people to make changes to their communication methods to facilitate providing evidence of a bona fide ongoing relationship. If you haven't already done so, it sounds like yesterday would be a prudent time to do so.

[Ban Hammer 13,567]

mbc

[My Mohammed 2]

it seems like there are so many members on the visa journey have the same situation

we have never used phone calls for communicate we just used yahoo voice all the time so i don't know if that ok or not ( we have some webcam pictures when we were talking throw yahoo...

i met my fiancee when she was still married to a guy from Egypt and she was having hard time to get him divorce her ( she married him in dec of 2005 and we met online in feb 2006 and we met the first time in aug of 2006 and then she got divorced in nov of 2006 and then we met another time in 2007 ......we tried to get married as so much people here on the visa journey from egy but we couldn't cause of that prob between the usa embassy and the egy government so i think we are in the usa embassy system that we tried to get married ........

another thing maybe she will not come to see me again and we will file for the visa soon so maybe it will be more than 2 years we didn't met at the interview date???i wonder if that ok or not

** As for the attempt to marry in Egypt.. we tried to as well and couldn't for the same reason. Later, we did get the approval from the U.S. Embassy to marry, but we never did as I changed my mind and decided to marry in the U.S. I want my daughter to be a part of the wedding and she can't travel to Egypt due to health reasons. But, I do still have the original paper of approval from the U.S. Embassy to show them we didn't get married, is they should ask.

When she applies for the I-129f for you.. you both must have MET at least once in person within the last 2 years before she files. If she filed today 9/17/08, between 9/17/06 and 9/17/08, you must have been together in person at least once. How do you prove this? She would have her Itinerary from her trip, she would have her ticket stubs from her flight, she would/could have hotel receipts, a couple pictures of both of you together, receipts from shopping she did while in Egypt.

At this point all they are worried about is if you two have actually been together at least once in the 2 years before she filed.

In my case, since we met on an online game and used it's chat sytem to communicate.. I don't know how to prove we knew each other prior to 1/08, which was my first visit to see him. Since 1/08, I have my Itineraries, ticket stubs, pics, and receipts from shopping for every visit I have made. Which at the moment, I am now in Cairo with him, so it would be 4 trips to date and I have proof of all those trips. I also have a few phone calls, chats from Skype, copies of call log from Skype, web cam pics of us talking and some with my daughter in them too.

If she doesn't have the ticket stubs and Itineraries from her flight, from at least one trip to Egypt to visit you within 2 years before she files, she will have to make another trip before she can file for you. Also, from this point on make sure to make copies of your chats, web cam pics of you talking n never wear the same thing in each picture so they know they are from different times. Maybe even have her send you a card through the mail.. although, Mohammed, has yet to receive one letter/card i've sent him.

[Egyptian Pharaoh 0]

Ok i know you are worried.

i have been reading about that and i found out that there are so many people have the same situation like us . as i told you

but most of them say that they will not deny us cause of that reason . cause its not in the immigration law..( the immigration law ask yo to be free to marry before you file for the visa ) and it doesn't ask you to be free ( divorced) when you met your fiance.

and most of people in USA have a relationship while their divorce is pending .

even that girl who they denied her the USA embassy says that they denied her cause they don't have enough bonafide of relationship . they didn't say that they deny her cuase she met her fiance while he was still married.

so i think all what we have to do is try to save more of bonafide and pray for it

[Egyptian Pharaoh 0]

If she doesn't have the ticket stubs and Itineraries from her flight, from at least one trip to Egypt to visit you within 2 years before she files, she will have to make another trip before she can file for you. Also, from this point on make sure to make copies of your chats, web cam pics of you talking n never wear the same thing in each picture so they know they are from different times. Maybe even have her send you a card through the mail.. although, Mohammed, has yet to receive one letter/card i've sent him.

she has the ticket itineraries from her flight to me .and she visited me 2 times as i told you one in 2006 and one in 2007 and we will file for the visa next month inshaalah . and we have emails since we met online in 2006 ,pic,cards,.........

[Hanna&Mohamed 0]

Mohamed said he had no problems with Cario Embassy .They didnt ask alot of questions. Mohamed made a book like some people told us on vj with pictures ,ims and different things.If u need help just ask !