Why Feminists Hate Sarah Palin

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I was wondering about that bit - how can you equalize biological differences? Wouldn't that imply that one biology is somehow inferior to begin with?

Socially assigned gender roles are not biology.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It's really quite simple, if you aren't able to have control of your own body (ie, if you can't choose to have an abortion under any circumstances) then you don't have control over your life unless you adopt a no sex policy. I don't really see how it can be that hard to understand. Pro choice is simply understanding that women have that control WHETHER OR NOT they choose to excercise that choice in the circumstance of terminating a pregnancy. Being pro choice is the only FEMINIST choice because it's the only one that keeps the choice under the control of the woman herself and not some outside agency.

If you can't understand that concept, well, really.

Oh, as for the OP, it's a load of bollocks, as usual.

Seriously, this pro life stuff has seriously warped some people's brains. Pro choice is not some 'let's all have an abortion' option. Sheesh!

Being pro-choice is NOT the only feminist choice. It's the only LIBERAL feminist choice. The definition of feminism is subjective.

Correct. She can only be pro life for her own person and remain a feminist. If she is pro life for everyone else, she is imposing her will on other women, hence the other women are no longer able to be in control of her their lives hence not feminist. For better or for worse that's how it is.

When reproduction is a public policy issue, it is not so simple as to say that abortion gives women control of their lives. If I had to vote on it, I would vote against abortion, even tho I am generally pro-choice. I would do so because I don't consider murder - am I willingly admit that abortion is murder -is what women must have to be in control.

You would vote against anyone else having the choice? How does that work if you are pro-choice?

Your religious fundamentalism shows in every post where you blame those who don't conform to your narrow view of what is and isn't acceptable sexual behaviour. You have the right to your own view of course, but your view is religious fundamentalism.

VW, stop reaching inside my head. I don't deny the death but I do deny the murder. A non viable foetus has no seperate identity or rights that require your or my protection.

My religion allows abortion. How does that comport with your assumptions regarding my religiousity? I can be pro-choice, but not believe that abortion would serve my society well. I'm not an abolutist, nor am I in denial about how causing death of a defenseless living thing is murder. A fetus is non-viable outside of the womb, but viable inside the womb. To tearit from the womb in order to terminate the pregnancy is murder, no doubt. I don't know why that is such a tough acknowledgment for pro-choice people to make. Some would grant more rights to an animal than to a fetus.

[Peikko 1,575]

Damn! Are you guys still at it?

Good point. Nope, all finished here. Good night all.

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Islam on abortion: http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/is...bortion_1.shtml

[Peikko 1,575]

It's really quite simple, if you aren't able to have control of your own body (ie, if you can't choose to have an abortion under any circumstances) then you don't have control over your life unless you adopt a no sex policy. I don't really see how it can be that hard to understand. Pro choice is simply understanding that women have that control WHETHER OR NOT they choose to excercise that choice in the circumstance of terminating a pregnancy. Being pro choice is the only FEMINIST choice because it's the only one that keeps the choice under the control of the woman herself and not some outside agency.

If you can't understand that concept, well, really.

Oh, as for the OP, it's a load of bollocks, as usual.

Seriously, this pro life stuff has seriously warped some people's brains. Pro choice is not some 'let's all have an abortion' option. Sheesh!

Being pro-choice is NOT the only feminist choice. It's the only LIBERAL feminist choice. The definition of feminism is subjective.

Correct. She can only be pro life for her own person and remain a feminist. If she is pro life for everyone else, she is imposing her will on other women, hence the other women are no longer able to be in control of her their lives hence not feminist. For better or for worse that's how it is.

When reproduction is a public policy issue, it is not so simple as to say that abortion gives women control of their lives. If I had to vote on it, I would vote against abortion, even tho I am generally pro-choice. I would do so because I don't consider murder - am I willingly admit that abortion is murder -is what women must have to be in control.

You would vote against anyone else having the choice? How does that work if you are pro-choice?

Your religious fundamentalism shows in every post where you blame those who don't conform to your narrow view of what is and isn't acceptable sexual behaviour. You have the right to your own view of course, but your view is religious fundamentalism.

VW, stop reaching inside my head. I don't deny the death but I do deny the murder. A non viable foetus has no seperate identity or rights that require your or my protection.

My religion allows abortion. How does that comport with your assumptions regarding my religiousity? I can be pro-choice, but not believe that abortion would serve my society well. I'm not an abolutist, nor am I in denial about how causing death of a defenseless living thing is murder. A fetus is non-viable outside of the womb, but viable inside the womb. To tearit from the womb in order to terminate the pregnancy is murder, no doubt. I don't know why that is such a tough acknowledgment for pro-choice people to make. Some would grant more rights to an animal than to a fetus.

I didn't make any comment regarding your religion and its postion on abortion. I simply said that your narrow view on sexually acceptable behaviour betrayed your religious bent.

Oh, the rest of that post is so senseless, I should make a comment, but...enough.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Applying the murder label to women who choose to have abortions (for any number of reasons) is inherently dodgy.

No, it's just being honest. If it wasn't livig, killing would be unneccesary. I'm willing to risk hurt feelings to admit that.

Not shooting the messanger. Just wondering how sexual equality is to be achived when men and women are inherently sexually unequal due to biology and physiology. Is the premise a platitude or a legitimate goal?

i don't think it's referring to to the body, just equalities in life?

You have to understand that VW is looking at this from the perspective of one who adheres to a religious view that is at odds with the notion that women can have postive life goals that don't involve reproduction and marriage.

Actually, I'm not. That's another projection and stereotype on your part. You need to work on that.

I was wondering about that bit - how can you equalize biological differences? Wouldn't that imply that one biology is somehow inferior to begin with?

Socially assigned gender roles are not biology.

Ding! Ding ! Ding! Feminism leftist style also assumes women's biology to be inferior and, therefore, in need of regularizing to men, who are the measure of normal.

Edited September 16, 2008 by Virtual wife

[Peikko 1,575]

I was wondering about that bit - how can you equalize biological differences? Wouldn't that imply that one biology is somehow inferior to begin with?

Socially assigned gender roles are not biology.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I didn't make any comment regarding your religion and its postion on abortion. I simply said that your narrow view on sexually acceptable behaviour betrayed your religious bent.

Oh, the rest of that post is so senseless, I should make a comment, but...enough.

So your narrow view in opposition to establishing acceptable sexual behavior indicates a lack of religion? Is that something to be proud of or look down on others for not being like you?

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I'm willing to risk hurt feelings to admit that.

That's very brave of you.

[jundp 191]

IMO abortion is murder, plain and simple.

That being said, Palin's views on abortion have nothing to do with why I won't vote for a ticket she's a part of. And in the end, the abortion issue doesn't really matter because I don't think Roe v Wade will be overthrown anyway.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I was wondering about that bit - how can you equalize biological differences? Wouldn't that imply that one biology is somehow inferior to begin with?

Socially assigned gender roles are not biology.

What is the alternative to socially assigned roles?

[Peikko 1,575]

Isn't it time you applied the 'hedonist' label? That's always the clincher.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'm willing to risk hurt feelings to admit that.

That's very brave of you.

Thanks, arjit, but I don't even see it as brave, just honest. You must assume the other parties are stupid to refuse to admit abortion is murder, even if you are pro-choice. I'm not interested in discourse with stupid people.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Applying the murder label to women who choose to have abortions (for any number of reasons) is inherently dodgy.

No, it's just being honest. If it wasn't livig, killing would be unneccesary. I'm willing to risk hurt feelings to admit that.

Not shooting the messanger. Just wondering how sexual equality is to be achived when men and women are inherently sexually unequal due to biology and physiology. Is the premise a platitude or a legitimate goal?

i don't think it's referring to to the body, just equalities in life?

You have to understand that VW is looking at this from the perspective of one who adheres to a religious view that is at odds with the notion that women can have postive life goals that don't involve reproduction and marriage.

Actually, I'm not. That's another projection and stereotype on your part. You need to work on that.

I was wondering about that bit - how can you equalize biological differences? Wouldn't that imply that one biology is somehow inferior to begin with?

Socially assigned gender roles are not biology.

Ding! Ding ! Ding! Feminism leftist style also assumes women's biology to be inferior and, terefore, in need of regularizing to men, who are the measure of normal.

Well men ARE the measure of normal - given that in our traditionally patriarchal society they are the ones who held and exercised power. But that dominance is entirely social, it doesn't really have much to do with women's biology itself being inferior.

[Peikko 1,575]

IMO abortion is murder, plain and simple.

That being said, Palin's views on abortion have nothing to do with why I won't vote for a ticket she's a part of. And in the end, the abortion issue doesn't really matter because I don't think Roe v Wade will be overthrown anyway.

A foetus that is not viable outside the womb simply has no legally recognized seperate identity, nor rights.

It may not be a comfortable idea for you/me anyone, but that's the legal position and as 'murder' is defined as the unlawful taking of life, well, it's not.