Why Feminists Hate Sarah Palin

[Peikko 1,575]

Yes, murder is a human act, but why is that? Oh, yes, that would be because humans have designated that human life trumps animal life because? Well, mostly because they can, it suits humans to do so. It would be rather complicated to give other animals rights which is why we don't. What on earth makes you think that the human instinct to kill is any different to that of any other animal? Do no other animals kill when it's not necessary for survival? Hmm, that would be a no. However, only humans define killing as murder, homicide, etc. For the rest of the animal kingdom, killing suffices.

Murder is still a subjective definition, try as you might to imbue it with some mystery 'other' significance. Murder is only murder because of law. If the laws did not exist, it would simply be one guy killing another.

Edited September 16, 2008 by Madame Cleo

[Peikko 1,575]

ugh well, semantics.. isn't a baby something that's been born already?

What is the "thing" in the womb as its mother is in labor to give it birth? Is it not a baby then? The problem with refusing to admit that abortion is murder is that you have to accept nonsensical arguments that deem the child a non-entity in order to deny it rights or even humanity.

Wrong, again. The 'thing' in the womb is a foetus. An entity that cannot survive outside the womb. It is not a non-entity and that is not why it has no rights. It has no rights because it can't survive without the co operation of another human being.

Shall we try again with our siamese twins question?

[rocks 494]

vw, and that is where we are going to disagree

Edited September 16, 2008 by rocks

[Peikko 1,575]

And, one final thought, condescension is in the eye of the beholder VW.

[VisaJourneyLady 33]

So why else do women hate Sarah Palin?

She thinks that saying that she can see Russia from an island off Alaska is actually a good thing to say in an interview. And then all the Rep pundits on the news are forced to -through gritted teeth- basically say 'didn't she do well' just cos she's on their ticket. (and complain about it when they think their mic's are off) And all the women think to themselves 'what patronising dicks'. Her giving dumb answers to questions while interviewing for the VP job is embarassing.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Yes, murder is a human act, but why is that? Oh, yes, that would be because humans have designated that human life trumps animal life because? Well, mostly because they can, it suits humans to do so. It would be rather complicated to give other animals rights which is why we don't. What on earth makes you think that the human instinct to kill is any different to that of any other animal? Do no other animals kill when it's not necessary for survival? Hmm, that would be a no. However, only humans define killing as murder, homicide, etc. For the rest of the animal kingdom, killing suffices.

Murder is still a subjective definition, try as you might to imbue it with some mystery 'other' significance. Murder is only murder because of law. If the laws did not exist, it would simply be one guy killing another.

You have to believe that to hold two opposing concepts in your head regarding abortion. I think you know better.

ugh well, semantics.. isn't a baby something that's been born already?

What is the "thing" in the womb as its mother is in labor to give it birth? Is it not a baby then? The problem with refusing to admit that abortion is murder is that you have to accept nonsensical arguments that deem the child a non-entity in order to deny it rights or even humanity.

Wrong, again. The 'thing' in the womb is a foetus. An entity that cannot survive outside the womb. It is not a non-entity and that is not why it has no rights. It has no rights because it can't survive without the co operation of another human being.

Shall we try again with our siamese twins question?

That fetus is destined to become a human being, not a lump of coal. You MUST deny its humanity in order to justify your need to believe that abortion isn't murder. The biology of human reproduction requires a female host to incubate the growing being, but that doesn't change the fact that a fetus is alive and human. That its survival depends upon being in the womb for a particular amount of time is a non-factor in its humanity.

Babies when the are born cannot survive without the cooperation of another human being, too. You can justify killing one and calling it murder, but because you self-servingly deny the humanity of a baby in the womb, you can kill it without murdering it.

I cannot deny the humanity of the fetus, as you do so cavalerly. The callousness of your position makes me rethink my pro-choice stance. I do not want to be anything like you to be pro-choice, and there are too many like you among us. Thank you for opening my eyes.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

And, one final thought, condescension is in the eye of the beholder VW.

I realize that you prefer self-serving definitions to reality. You are simply condesending.

[rocks 494]

Her giving dumb answers to questions while interviewing for the VP job is embarassing.

yeah, i don't think she is making women look capable, stupid maybe

pitbulls should be banned

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Obama says he's been to 57 states. He said today that he won the contest of being the most negative. The man can't speak straight without a prompter. He's dumb without questions being put to him.

What good did an Ivy League education do for his smarts? He's the poster boy for what's wrong with affirmative action.

Edited September 16, 2008 by Virtual wife

[VisaJourneyLady 33]

Obama says he's been to 57 states. He said today that he won the contest of being the most negative. The man can't speak straight without a prompter. He's dumb without questions being put to him.

That was a slip up. He knows how many states there are. There is a difference between having a slip and actually believing that being able to see Russia is any help whatsoever in understanding diplomacy. And while his slip of the toungue was a one off, she has actually repeated this piece of inanity.

[rocks 494]

maybe shes trying to show she can take over from bush as chief entertainer

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Obama says he's been to 57 states. He said today that he won the contest of being the most negative. The man can't speak straight without a prompter. He's dumb without questions being put to him.

That was a slip up. He knows how many states there are. There is a difference between having a slip and actually believing that being able to see Russia is any help whatsoever in understanding diplomacy. And while his slip of the toungue was a one off, she has actually repeated this piece of inanity.

Yea, make excuses for him. That will keep you VERY busy. He messes up alot. Must be brain damage.

BTW, he also didn;t know that Russia has a veto on the UN Security Council. The things he doesn't know about government would fill the Grand Canyon.

Edited September 16, 2008 by Virtual wife

[VisaJourneyLady 33]

Obama says he's been to 57 states. He said today that he won the contest of being the most negative. The man can't speak straight without a prompter. He's dumb without questions being put to him.

That was a slip up. He knows how many states there are. There is a difference between having a slip and actually believing that being able to see Russia is any help whatsoever in understanding diplomacy. And while his slip of the toungue was a one off, she has actually repeated this piece of inanity.

Yea, make excuses for him. That will keep you VERY busy. He messes up alot. Must be brain damage.

BTW, he also didn;t know that Russia has a veto on the UN Security Council. The things he doesn't know about government would fill the Grand Canyon.

And she does? Her interview was nothing but spewing out the rote learning of someone who has learned about the big world in the week she was kept away from those nasty journalists. I'm not making excuses for Obama, if you want to do slip ups ####### for tat, there's a doddering old grump in that race that's waaay in the lead. But this is not a thread about Obama anyway. It's about why I and others like me think Sarah Palin does nothing at all to help other women.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Insulting people over their age is pitiful. You should be blessed to live ot be 72. Sarah Palin may not do anything for some women, but she clearly does for many. She was here in Colorado at the Jefferson County fairgrounds on Monday and people, Republicans, Democrats and Independents were lovin her up! There is a small faction of America who doesn't get it about Palin, even as they "get" identity politics - pandering to ethnic groups and economic groups. Following the logic of such pandering, why wouldn't therebe a niche for Sarah Palin among women as there is for Obama among blacks and guilty whites? I can relate to her; I'm close to her age, have five kids, lived in Alaska, am a conservative policy wonk, fish, boat, hunt game for subsistance. Lots of people in the west live the same way. Middle America isn't Manhattan, and not everyone is an elitist.

[GaryC 7]

ugh well, semantics.. isn't a baby something that's been born already?

What is the "thing" in the womb as its mother is in labor to give it birth? Is it not a baby then? The problem with refusing to admit that abortion is murder is that you have to accept nonsensical arguments that deem the child a non-entity in order to deny it rights or even humanity.

Wrong, again. The 'thing' in the womb is a foetus. An entity that cannot survive outside the womb. It is not a non-entity and that is not why it has no rights. It has no rights because it can't survive without the co operation of another human being.

Shall we try again with our siamese twins question?

First of all I guess I should make this clear, I am not your usual "conservative" when it comes to abortion. Even though I personally am apposed to it I don't disagree that a first trimester abortion should be the woman's choice. I don't have a problem with contraception or appropriate sex education for children old enough to understand what they are being told. I don't even have a problem with embryonic stem cell research. A second trimester abortion however, should only be for the mothers health and not for family planning. A third trimester abortion should only be done if both would die without it. So there, that is my belief.

So now to my question. If I understand your position correctly you think that abortion is not murder because the fetus isn't viable outside the mother's womb. If it isn't viable then it isn't human and no human rights should be given to it. Have I got you right?

Ok, What about third trimester fetus's? Clearly they are sometimes viable. I myself have a step granddaughter that was 1 lb 2oz at birth. I am not sure of the gestation time but it was very early third trimester. Jessica is a beautiful 4 year old girl now.

Do you think a third trimester abortion is just an abortion or murder?

I am not trying to yank your chain, I only wish to understand your reasoning.