Insensitve posts in 'empathy' threads

[no name 1]

Hard to believe it was 7 years ago, though probably because the images are forever etched in the brain.

Difficult to make sense of even today - how something like this could have been plotted and carried out with such devastating success.

Asking the why's I think are important in getting down to the bottom of things.

Lots of decisions are being made locally due to the ideals regarding the latter part of your post. It's best for critical views of them to ensure they are the right decisions, not the most swift and reactionary, like the PATRIOT Act #######.

And Steven, I lived through it in NYC too as well as volunteered for the Red Cross but I don't expect you to apologize to me.

Dev, I posted what I thought was my way of remembering the morning of 911. Let's not turn that into an argument. Just leave it be. Thank you.

Exactly as expected.

Disgusting.

Yawn.

Did you watch the buildings fall out your window? Did you smell smoke for months? Did you see emotionally battered firefighters & detectives? Did you live in a city of fear? Did you watch your neighborhood on lockdown?

I didn't think so.

You are not the only Member of VJ who had to deal with 9/11 up close and personal. The taste of the dust, the smell of the fire, the bodies that were tripped over live inside a persons head forever.

Your attitude here today does nothing to help those people who did get out or the debt owed to each and every rescue person who had the misfortune to be there in the weeks and months that followed.

Attacking people because they do not share your feelings does not make them understand you any better or uphold the sacrifice that so many made on that day.

My comment was directed solely at the person, no one else. I never claimed to be the only one....

akdiver did you even read the 9/11 thread? Did you see why the person started it and read what she wrote? Like she even talked about her own political views(no, she didn't)...you don't even know if she likes our gov't or not, yet you were going to just go post an anti-govt post to her thread? I find this all interesting.

Steven admits he didn't even read her post, just posted his political views in a remembrance thread. Seems he's not the only one to post what he wants without reading.

[akdiver 3]

Steven admits he didn't even read her post, just posted his political views in a remembrance thread. Seems he's not the only one to post what he wants without reading.

I have to guess you're referring to me. In which case, you should know that I DID read the original post. In fact, I read it before it even had any replies. Had I chosen to make a post, it would have been post #2.

[no name 1]

Hard to believe it was 7 years ago, though probably because the images are forever etched in the brain.

Difficult to make sense of even today - how something like this could have been plotted and carried out with such devastating success.

Asking the why's I think are important in getting down to the bottom of things.

Lots of decisions are being made locally due to the ideals regarding the latter part of your post. It's best for critical views of them to ensure they are the right decisions, not the most swift and reactionary, like the PATRIOT Act #######.

And Steven, I lived through it in NYC too as well as volunteered for the Red Cross but I don't expect you to apologize to me.

Dev, I posted what I thought was my way of remembering the morning of 911. Let's not turn that into an argument. Just leave it be. Thank you.

Exactly as expected.

Disgusting.

Yawn.

Did you watch the buildings fall out your window? Did you smell smoke for months? Did you see emotionally battered firefighters & detectives? Did you live in a city of fear? Did you watch your neighborhood on lockdown?

I didn't think so.

Dev, I don't think anyone is attempting to trivialize the personal experience you lived.

Many of us were personally affected that day (Americans and non-Americans alike) by the loss of loved ones and friends. Not being in NYC or Pennsylvania or DC that day doesn't make someone callous.

I think the point is that you, Dev tend to be constantly on the defensive. You are rude to people many times and incredibly condescending. When someone doesn't agree with your POV you attack. You demand apologies from others but yet you have never, to my knowledge upon reading your posts (and of course I've only been here about 1 1/2 years) apologize to someone else. I've been the recipient of your condescension and even when it was misplaced and wrong and PROVEN, you still can't back down.

I'm not trying to attack you, but frankly I get incredibly tired of your act. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

That is completely separate from your experience during 9/11, and though my experience didn't involve being physically in NYC, I too suffered loss that day, and I would NEVER belittle your experience, nor do I pretend to understand it.

ETA: because I can't spell

wow, thanks for the character assassination. Do you feel better now? I don't even know you (nor would I choose to in RL) and you don't know me.

Edited September 11, 2008 by illumine

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

RIP: humility, reflection and a sense of perspective.

[no name 1]

You don't hold a monopoly on the tragedy Dev...

some people live through trauma and feel they are the only ones who know and have ownership on a "feeling"

gee, thanks. Are you a doctor or do you just play one on VJ? You don't even know me. So save your armchair diagnosis.

Damn straight I believe those who weren't there will never 'get it'. My own family & friends agree with that. But I do not think I own that feeling.

there were allot of people effected..and i certainly did not mean to discount your pain and sadness over that horrendous day....peace to you...

Weren't you a therapist with actual credentials in discerning people as having psychological/emotional problems?

Maybe so. But for random internet people? Doubt it.

[jom 4]

May we have a moment of silence to remember those who perished during the 9/11 tragedy.

[akdiver 3]

May we have a moment of silence to remember those who perished during the 9/11 tragedy.

Probably not.

[TayRivers 4]

My comment was directed solely at the person, no one else. I never claimed to be the only one....

Your comments were not directed at me but as a person who just barley made it out of the North Tower on that morning, it gives me the right to reply to your statements.

Your attacks on people who have posted there own feelings political or otherwise are more hurtful and spiteful to the memory of those who were not as lucky as me than any anti government statements made in the original post. The Hijackers of the 2 planes were raised in a culture of intolerance of others views and this allowed them to carryout there plan to impose their views on America. Intolerance of others and their views is what caused 9/11 please do not keep that feeling going by using the memory of that day as a tool for your own intolerance.

[PlatyPius 5]

Edited September 11, 2008 by PlatyPius

[no name 1]

My comment was directed solely at the person, no one else. I never claimed to be the only one....

Your comments were not directed at me but as a person who just barley made it out of the North Tower on that morning, it gives me the right to reply to your statements.

Your attacks on people who have posted there own feelings political or otherwise are more hurtful and spiteful to the memory of those who were not as lucky as me than any anti government statements made in the original post. The Hijackers of the 2 planes were raised in a culture of intolerance of others views and this allowed them to carryout there plan to impose their views on America. Intolerance of others and their views is what caused 9/11 please do not keep that feeling going by using the memory of that day as a tool for your own intolerance.

???

I never said any of that. VJ Sheesh.

[Jenn! 918]

Closing this thread now...I think the point has been made and the accusations going both ways are probably not going to get better rather than worse. Let's keep the Remembrance thread "clean", if you will.

Thank you.