For those who have not recd Receipt notice

[Yodrak 7]

jazzy,

Excuse me? Take another look at a Receipt Notice. As you say, there are two dates - one labeled Receipt Date and one labeled Notice Date. Most of the time these two dates not the same date, and in ual's case the dates are different by 16 days. How can you say that the notice date is the receipt date?

I disagree with you that USCIS considers processing to have begun when a case is logged into their system. USCIS allows 30 days for a case to be processed before it becomes overdue (absent and IBIS hit), and the counting for those 30 days begins when the case is taken off the shelf and is given to a case officer to review and decide. The time allowed for processing does not begin with either the Receipt Date or the Notice Date.

Getting back to ual's question, the origin of this discussion, he asked what the Receipt Date and Notice Dates mean. I agree with you that the Receipt Date is the date that the petition was recognized by USCIS as having arrived. The Notice Date is merely the date that the notice was issued, nothing more. It does a disservice to tell people that it means processing has begun on their petition, giving them the expectation that a decision must be forthcoming, when in fact nothing is yet being done that would lead to a decision (except possibly at the VSC, where 'shelf life' was very short pre-IMBRA).

'Touches' can be created by any number of activities, the activity not always having to do with working the case to reach a decision. Again, call it processing if you wish, but it is not necessarily a type of processing that is part of case review and decision making.

Yodrak

jazzy,

What you said before, in your first post in this thread, is that processing began on 25 May in ual's case - his Notice Date, not his Receipt Date.

That aside, if you want to consider sitting on the shelf to be in processing, so be it. The USCIS considers that processing begins when a case is taken off the shelf and in given to a case officer for review and decision. Hence the Processing Dates that they publish.

Yodrak

Yodrak,

The notice date IS the reciept date. There are 2 dates on the NAO #1..the recieved date date...when it was physically recieved via mail...and the notice date, which is the reciept date being that it is a "reciept" notice. Further the USCIS conciders the processing to have begun when they enter it into the system not when they "take it off the shelf". Each "touch" is part of the process.

Jazzy

Edited June 2, 2006 by Yodrak

[ual777 0]

Got my reciept today!!!!!

It says it was recieved May 9th, but the notice date is May 25th.....What is the meaning of that?

ual777,

It means they physically recieved the application/petition on May 9th and began processing on the May 25th.

To my knowledge, as of yesterday the check had not cleared.

Go Figure

Sure. I'll post here as soon as I know.

[jazzy 0]

jazzy,

Excuse me? Take another look at a Receipt Notice. As you say, there are two dates - one labeled Receipt Date and one labeled Notice Date. Most of the time these two dates not the same date, and in ual's case the dates are different by 16 days. How can you say that the notice date is the receipt date?

I disagree with you that USCIS considers processing to have begun when a case is logged into their system. USCIS allows 30 days for a case to be processed before it becomes overdue (absent and IBIS hit), and the counting for those 30 days begins when the case is taken off the shelf and is given to a case officer to review and decide. The time allowed for processing does not begin with either the Receipt Date or the Notice Date.

Getting back to ual's question, the origin of this discussion, he asked what the Receipt Date and Notice Dates mean. I agree with you that the Receipt Date is the date that the petition was recognized by USCIS as having arrived. The Notice Date is merely the date that the notice was issued, nothing more. It does a disservice to tell people that it means processing has begun on their petition, giving them the expectation that a decision must be forthcoming, when in fact nothing is yet being done that would lead to a decision (except possibly at the VSC, where 'shelf life' was very short pre-IMBRA).

'Touches' can be created by any number of activities, the activity not always having to do with working the case to reach a decision. Again, call it processing if you wish, but it is not necessarily a type of processing that is part of case review and decision making.

Yodrak

Yodrak,

MY God!!! First of all there are 2 dates on the NOA..."recieved"...NOT reciept....and notice date. On the date of the "notice"...not recieved....the PROCESSING begins with the entry into thier system and the issueing of a reciept number....thus the "reciept" date is same as the notice date....its not nothing more than the date the notice was issued...its the date the process has begun.

How in the world does do a disservice to anyone to let tell them that thier processing has begun?...Most people realize this process takes time and this IS the first step in that process. Websters defines "process" as "acourse or method of operations in the production of something, a forward movement, progressive or continuous proceeding". By definition this is the start of the processing. Further, I have a friend at the VSC who confirms they consider this the start of the processing!! It does not give people the expectation that a decision is forthcoming...its merely the beginning of the process...step one! As far as touches go, they are all part of the process, even if nothing has been done with the petition on a review level.

[aussiewench 9]

Jazzy,

There are two forms used for NOA's.....I-797 & I-797C........the I-797C being the newer version of I-797. Petitioners will receive either the the I-797 or I-797C randomly for their NOA1 & NOA2. I-797 uses the words 'receipt date' and a 'notice date', I-797C uses the words 'received date' and a 'notice date'.

By your reckoning if someone (as they do) receives I-797 (NOA) that they have two 'receipt dates'

The receipt or received date (depending on which NOA they send out) is the priorty day by which anything to do with the petition process goes from. The 'notice date' means NOTHING at all...not even your misunderstood notion that processing begins with the 'notice date'.

Lorelle

Edited June 3, 2006 by aussiewench

[girl 37 7]

I can't believe I keep opening this thread.

[Laura_and_IanM 0]

Ok, this thread instead of helping...has just really confused the hell out of me!! Can anyone pm me and exlain to me in lamens terms what all of this means please??!!!!!

Ian and I have been trying to find out if the check he sent has been cashed or not but we can't find out that easily because the check is a bank drawn international check. I have called the USCIC and they have told me two different things now. I mailed our I-130 out on May 10th. We have not recieved anything yet. I know it takes approximately a month to hear back, but I am worried about a check floating around. Now I read this thread and try to catch up and all it has done is confuse me even more!!!

I think I will go bang my head on the wall now. Perhaps it will knock some sense into me...either that or it will knock me out cold...

Laura Mitchell

[jazzy 0]

Jazzy,

There are two forms used for NOA's.....I-797 & I-797C........the I-797C being the newer version of I-797. Petitioners will receive either the the I-797 or I-797C randomly for their NOA1 & NOA2. I-797 uses the words 'receipt date' and a 'notice date', I-797C uses the words 'received date' and a 'notice date'.

By your reckoning if someone (as they do) receives I-797 (NOA) that they have two 'receipt dates'

The receipt or received date (depending on which NOA they send out) is the priorty day by which anything to do with the petition process goes from. The 'notice date' means NOTHING at all...not even your misunderstood notion that processing begins with the 'notice date'.

Lorelle

Lorelle,

With all due respect the processing begins with the notice date, that is the date the petition enters the system, the recieved date is the priority date you are correct there. This is not a "misunderstood" notion....like i wrote before this info comes straight from a vsc employee...not from opinion. One of reasons for changing the wording on the new version of I-797 © is to eliminate that confusion.

[halohalo 0]

hello YODRAK....

I read your post somewhere in foreign embassy site and lots of topic in vj, i personally doesn't like your opinion.you know you are so sarcastic in asnwering question instead of helping people here. i kept on opening this site even before but it seems that you sound so perfect and knows EVERYTHING! people here wanted to know about how to process correctly but your so stupid to answer questions. i was so eager to answer your answer even before but it seems that i have no idea how to registered and being busy, now i knew already i think this message is good for you and eye opener that PEOPLE HERE NEEDS HELP.

[aussiewench 9]

hello YODRAK....

I read your post somewhere in foreign embassy site and lots of topic in vj, i personally doesn't like your opinion.you know you are so sarcastic in asnwering question instead of helping people here. i kept on opening this site even before but it seems that you sound so perfect and knows EVERYTHING! people here wanted to know about how to process correctly but your so stupid to answer questions. i was so eager to answer your answer even before but it seems that i have no idea how to registered and being busy, now i knew already i think this message is good for you and eye opener that PEOPLE HERE NEEDS HELP.

Regardless of what you think you believe.....Yodrak has a wealth of knowledge and assists people enormously on this site. Someone that myself and many many members look up to because of their knowledge. Members do not get paid here to help others and those members who stay on well after their journeys to offer this learned knowledge to others, to assist others on their journey, they are selfless acts and to be admired. Without members such as Yodrak the visa journey would be a hell of a lot more difficult for all. Yodrak will quite often answer a question with a question to assist members in finding their own answers. We are not here at everyones beck and call, members have the responsibility to learn this process for their own journey. Be careful what you see as sarcasm, when it is only the written word over the internet. I would hasten to say that your comments about a valued member do exactly what you falsely accuse another of.

I would say you have a damm bloody hide.......Begone with you

Edited June 4, 2006 by aussiewench

[jazzy 0]

Halohalo,

I agree with you about Yodraks sarcasm, its not needed or wanted at times....which is a shame because he does have alot of knowledge that can be useful to others....but most people don't want to get info that has a sarcastic tone to it, it comes off as preachy and condesending.

Lorelle,

Halohalo isnt falsely accusing....as i told you there are many people here that feel that way about his posts. Written word or not, its sarcasm! And your right members have a responsibility to learn these things for themselves...thats why they are here... to learn and get support....not to get sarcasm.

Jazzy

[halohalo 0]

Hello Jazzy,

Thank you so much!! I know you want to help people here who are confused and eager to be in there loveone's quickly. Well, this two people YODRAK AND AUSSIEWENCH just want to be HEARD!!! There are lot of people here who are very helpful like PATIENTLY WAITING and MDYOUNG this people are very informative and respectful not like this two who think that they are perfect and knows everything!!! I always read the responses of YODRAK in every single post he answered AUSSIEWENCH, and he is a tactless and insensitive. And please if i post here again asking question dont response YODRAK AND AUSSSIWENCH coz i dont need help and opinion from people like you!

Virgie

[rebeccajo 14]

halo and jazzy.....

For your edification, VJ is a self-help forum.

If you want to be spoon fed, go heat up some pablum and ring your mama.

In the meantime, try to have a bit of consideration for those who have already earned their stripes?

Um-kay?

[Euro 3]

oh what silly people you 2 are ................and I might add, Lorelle & Yodrak are both right, you might be surprised to know BUT the person you spoke to from VSC was probably a person answering the "mis-information" line so what they say realy means NOT A LOT!!!

and thats the last i'm going to ay in this thread

[meauxna 15]

I think you guys need to look up the definition of "sarcastic". Yodrak is a lot of things, I'm sure, but 'sarcastic' is not at the top of my list.

[Peggy 1]

I agree .

Yodrak is not one bit sarcastic

Yodrak and Lorelle are both fine people with this VJ community.

They have helped alot of people out with there great advice and knowledge.