No, Actually, It's that the Economy is Falling Apart

[Heracles 417]

Actually as a collective nation - Britain has and continues to provide financial assistance for its former colonies that require it. As I've said before - noone really questions this. And the debate is very much whether Britain is helping enough, not whether it should help at all.

As I said - as citizens of our respective countries we've all inherited a certain set of economic conditions. Just as the children of poor Africans have - being born into poverty. Its not rocket science to understand this...

And what America isn't helping African Americans out.

How much is England giving those nations?

How much is England giving Australian's for sentencing them to death and for all of the families of those they tortured to death in inhumane ways, in places like Port Aurthur?

How much has England given to the Aborigines of Australia and American Indians and the Palestinians and to the people of India and Pakistan for that mess?

I don't know why you out of all people bother responding when you know we don't see eye to eye on absolutely anything. Anything you say I will rebut, anything I say I know you will rebut. So why bother.

PS How much is England giving to African Americans based on the enormous part they played in facilitating the slave trade?

Edited September 8, 2008 by Aficionado

[rclouse 0]

[HAL 9000 96]

Could you elaborate on how atheists are pushing it on others? Unlike you, I'm willing to actually listen if there's a rational argument being put forth.

Trying to remove religion out of anything and everything is pushing atheism. And, once again, if you have a look at most OECD nations with an extremely high standard of living you will find they are not as determined ( aka communistic / Nazi like) to remove religion from anything an everything. They actually embrace diversity and religion.

Whereas you have shown how hypocritical you are considering you beat on about gay rights yet condemn anyone religious. Apparently their views and choice does not count in your books.

The irony of the whole thing is that the ones doing the imposing are not exactly the ones that are seeking legal protection for rights. If they are doing so its *because there is a reason to do so* [hint].

It would be great if people would just stfu when they didn't know anything, clearly, about a topic and clearly ignore cause, effect, and process in the meantime. But then again, we always need a foot-in-mouth case to clarify who's crazier than a goat.

Diversity and religion, diversity of religions, and diversity of beliefs... now if that flies in the face of certain beliefs structures that precisely call out for equal treatment (aka equal legal protections) then it must mean that there is a bipolar relationship to begin with that creates an atmosphere of inequality to begin with. Big freakin DUH. Not seeing it is quite the revelation when we use foreign examples that have little relevance to the discussion at hand.

[Heracles 417]

And what religious group has taken over the government in the US?

80% of Americans are religious yet the government is not permitted to celebrate with them. That is ridiculous by any standard and is certainly not the case in most other OECD nations.

America has become a country where the majority are silenced for the needs, and views, of the few.

[HAL 9000 96]

I'm not sure I understand why someone has to be blamed. Its just the way it is.

For the record - I don't "blame whitey". I do think there is something to be said for social responsiblity - and I'm sceptical of people who refuse to accept that they have benefitted indirectly from the policies of the past. That's not the same as blaming them personally for the conditions. We all have to own our collective failures as well as our successes.

I have not benefited from segregation or slavery, as haven't most Americans. So why should I, by default, considered the root of all evil based on the color of my skin. Should I blame you, being English, for the woes of the world created by Great Britain.

Its an inversely proportional relationship. You benefit from ignorance, perhaps.

Trying to remove religion out of anything and everything is pushing atheism. And, once again, if you have a look at most OECD nations with an extremely high standard of living you will find they are not as determined ( aka communistic / Nazi like) to remove religion from anything an everything. They actually embrace diversity and religion.

Other nations are not the U.S. They don't have the same people we do, nor the exact same problems we do. So referencing other countries for this nation's problems is yet again, fail.

Whereas you have shown how hypocritical you are considering you beat on about gay rights yet condemn anyone religious. Apparently their views and choice does not count in your books.

So who are gays stopping from marrying? Or, better yet, who have gays suppressed from anything? Hmm?

Religious choice is secular, and I've always advocated religious secularism. However, how it is actually done in this country is vastly different, despite secularism being blatantly written in the Constitution.

But don't let logic stop you from your ideologue-like rants.

Which is why there is a constitutional Separation of Church and State.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Actually as a collective nation - Britain has and continues to provide financial assistance for its former colonies that require it. As I've said before - noone really questions this. And the debate is very much whether Britain is helping enough, not whether it should help at all.

As I said - as citizens of our respective countries we've all inherited a certain set of economic conditions. Just as the children of poor Africans have - being born into poverty. Its not rocket science to understand this...

And what America isn't helping African Americans out.

How much is England giving those nations?

How much is England giving Australian's for sentencing them to death and for all of the families of those they tortured to death in inhumane ways, in places like Port Aurthur?

How much has England given to the Aborigines of Australia and American Indians and the Palestinians and to the people of India and Pakistan for that mess?

I don't know why you out of all people bother responding when you know we don't see eye to eye on absolutely anything. Anything you say I will rebut, anything I say I know you will rebut. So why bother.

PS How much is England giving to African Americans based on the enormous part they played in facilitating the slave trade?

Why bother indeed - you seem to have a hell of a short fuse these days.

In answer to your question - I don't know the specific figures - but if you're really interested you could look it up, if you were so inclined.

Britain has and continues to provide assistance to its former colonies (and indeed other countries) through the commonwealth organization and the department of international development.

[Heracles 417]

The irony of the whole thing is that the ones doing the imposing are not exactly the ones that are seeking legal protection for rights. If they are doing so its *because there is a reason to do so* [hint].

It would be great if people would just stfu when they didn't know anything, clearly, about a topic and clearly ignore cause, effect, and process in the meantime. But then again, we always need a foot-in-mouth case to clarify who's crazier than a goat.

Diversity and religion, diversity of religions, and diversity of beliefs... now if that flies in the face of certain beliefs structures that precisely call out for equal treatment (aka equal legal protections) then it must mean that there is a bipolar relationship to begin with that creates an atmosphere of inequality to begin with. Big freakin DUH. Not seeing it is quite the revelation when we use foreign examples that have little relevance to the discussion at hand.

Your cause and effect excuse, which is what it is, is invalid. African Americans have the same rights and opportunity as everyone else in America. Hence why the presidential candidate is an African American. This is just an example of many many African Americans who have not used the past, slavery or segregation as an excuse to live in squalor but actually used the spirit of America to build and create a successful life. Hence why we hear people like Oprah say on numerous occasion only in America could I have achieved such great success.

What is the number one difference between my successful African American neighbors and friends to inner city African Americans: not slavery, not whitey, not segregation but A T T I T U D E

Edited September 8, 2008 by Aficionado

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And what religious group has taken over the government in the US?

80% of Americans are religious yet the government is not permitted to celebrate with them. That is ridiculous by any standard and is certainly not the case in most other OECD nations.

America has become a country where the majority are silenced for the needs, and views, of the few.

How are they not permitted to celebrate? Is this that Bill O'Reilly cack about the "war on Christmas"?

[alienlovechild 75]

And yes - imperial expansion into Africa went on well into the early 20th century. That continent has been effectively under the heel of European civilizations all the way back to Roman times.

Most of Africa was ruled by Africans with the exception of about 100 years of European rule. The Arabs ruled N. Africa far longer than Rome. The majority of African countries have been independent for the last 48 years and conditions have worsened in most the region.

Multicultural education is just reverse racism masquerading as education.

Just as the children of poor Africans have - being born into poverty. Its not rocket science to understand this...

Poverty alone explains little. Most of East Asia was dirt poor but education and business orientation changed things for the better. The reality is Africans (like everyone else) are largely responsible for their own lot and blaming racism for everything achieves nothing.

[HAL 9000 96]

Actually as a collective nation - Britain has and continues to provide financial assistance for its former colonies that require it. As I've said before - noone really questions this. And the debate is very much whether Britain is helping enough, not whether it should help at all.

As I said - as citizens of our respective countries we've all inherited a certain set of economic conditions. Just as the children of poor Africans have - being born into poverty. Its not rocket science to understand this...

And what America isn't helping African Americans out.

How much is England giving those nations?

How much is England giving Australian's for sentencing them to death and for all of the families of those they tortured to death in inhumane ways, in places like Port Aurthur?

How much has England given to the Aborigines of Australia and American Indians and the Palestinians and to the people of India and Pakistan for that mess?

I don't know why you out of all people bother responding when you know we don't see eye to eye on absolutely anything. Anything you say I will rebut, anything I say I know you will rebut. So why bother.

PS How much is England giving to African Americans based on the enormous part they played in facilitating the slave trade?

Why bother indeed - you seem to have a hell of a short fuse these days.

In answer to your question - I don't know the specific figures - but if you're really interested you could look it up, if you were so inclined.

Britain has and continues to provide assistance to its former colonies (and indeed other countries) through the commonwealth organization and the department of international development.

Funny. If I remember my history correctly... when did the UK outlaw the Slave Trade and actively sought to use its Navy to repatriate slaves 'rescued' enroute to N. America? Sure... there were politics involved against its former colony in N. America... but still... lets go into that tangential line for explanation shall we?

[Heracles 417]

And what religious group has taken over the government in the US?

80% of Americans are religious yet the government is not permitted to celebrate with them. That is ridiculous by any standard and is certainly not the case in most other OECD nations.

America has become a country where the majority are silenced for the needs, and views, of the few.

How are they not permitted to celebrate? Is this that Bill O'Reilly cack about the "war on Christmas"?

Are government buildings allowed to put up Christmas decorations? Are schools allowed to celebrate Christmas or Easter?

[alienlovechild 75]

Which is why there is a constitutional Separation of Church and State.

Where is the "separation" phrase in the Constitution? Give us poor uneducated types the quote and the link, please.

[HAL 9000 96]

The irony of the whole thing is that the ones doing the imposing are not exactly the ones that are seeking legal protection for rights. If they are doing so its *because there is a reason to do so* [hint].

It would be great if people would just stfu when they didn't know anything, clearly, about a topic and clearly ignore cause, effect, and process in the meantime. But then again, we always need a foot-in-mouth case to clarify who's crazier than a goat.

Diversity and religion, diversity of religions, and diversity of beliefs... now if that flies in the face of certain beliefs structures that precisely call out for equal treatment (aka equal legal protections) then it must mean that there is a bipolar relationship to begin with that creates an atmosphere of inequality to begin with. Big freakin DUH. Not seeing it is quite the revelation when we use foreign examples that have little relevance to the discussion at hand.

Your cause and effect excuse, which is what it is, is invalid. African Americans have the same rights and opportunity as everyone else in America. Hence why the presidential candidate is an African American. This is just an example of many many African Americans who have not used the past, slavery or segregation as an excuse to live in squalor but actually used the spirit of America to build and create a successful life. Hence why we hear people like Oprah say on numerous occasion only in America could I have achieved such great success.

What is the number one difference between my successful African American neighbors and friends to inner city African Americans: not slavery, not whitey, not segregation but A T T I T U D E

Um hum. You are once again confusing the cause/effect historical issue with the reality that has been created to cause that same attitude you bold above.

The chance of opportunity may be there hypothetically, but this country has leaps and bounds to make in order for the access to the opportunity to be tangible.

Sure, a negative attitude doesn't help. Look at what happens when you blow yourself up.

[Heracles 417]

Funny. If I remember my history correctly... when did the UK outlaw the Slave Trade and actively sought to use its Navy to repatriate slaves 'rescued' enroute to N. America? Sure... there were politics involved against its former colony in N. America... but still... lets go into that tangential line for explanation shall we?

Outlawed the slave trade yet ironically carried a majority of slaves to America; even after slavery was outlawed.

You may want to read up on the port of Liverpool and how important this was to the slave trade.

[HAL 9000 96]

And what religious group has taken over the government in the US?

80% of Americans are religious yet the government is not permitted to celebrate with them. That is ridiculous by any standard and is certainly not the case in most other OECD nations.

America has become a country where the majority are silenced for the needs, and views, of the few.

How are they not permitted to celebrate? Is this that Bill O'Reilly cack about the "war on Christmas"?

Are government buildings allowed to put up Christmas decorations? Are schools allowed to celebrate Christmas or Easter?

Yes, they are.