No, Actually, It's that the Economy is Falling Apart

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I think someone still needs a lesson in Cause and Effect to be able to avoid making more boring and repetitive generalizations.

Its just tiresome to be honest - whatever you say he'll read as excuse.

However here's a simpler example.

You're a farmer. You farm the #### out of your field without giving the soil a chance to recover. 5 years later you still can't grow crops there. Coincidence?

I can always *blame* the farmers downfield that rotated crops.

[IAMX 3,055]

Interesting. Being someone who's from San Jose, the only billionaires I ever met were the founders of Google who I used to work for.

Being a large city, there's very little room for 10,000sq ft homes, except in the small rich area of Saratoga.

San Jose is nothing special at all. Maybe you need to travel to Melbourne and Sydney and then tell me what you think of San Jose.

Evidently I don't think much of it because I don't plan on (nor do I care to) visit Australia, which has nothing to do with this discussion anyways.

However, doesn't take away from your laughable depiction of San Jose to someone who actually works and lives in the area.

Not the case at all. This is the norm amongst so many groups here in America. Fair enough when it comes to difference in political views or how things should be run but when someone simply cannot stand the majority of people in a nation, then yes they should move. Unfortunately for you, the 200,000,000 people who live in middle America are not changing any time soon to suit your views.

Not that you speak for everyone else (I doubt even hard-right Americans want a foreigner speaking for them), but if intolerance to criticism is part of your vision of freedom, you should go back to (or in your case, simply attend) high school government class. Because your logic bleeds hypocrisy.

What about pushing atheism on others? Believe it or not atheism is a belief in itself. So why should it be pushed, which it is, on others.

Could you elaborate on how atheists are pushing it on others? Unlike you, I'm willing to actually listen if there's a rational argument being put forth.

[Heracles 417]

I think someone still needs a lesson in Cause and Effect to be able to avoid making more boring and repetitive generalizations.

Its just tiresome to be honest - whatever you say he'll read as excuse.

However here's a simpler example.

You're a farmer. You farm the #### out of your field without giving the soil a chance to recover. 5 years later you still can't grow crops there. Coincidence?

Well they have had 38 years and billions spent on the community to recover since the 60's. Or is that not enough?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think someone still needs a lesson in Cause and Effect to be able to avoid making more boring and repetitive generalizations.

Its just tiresome to be honest - whatever you say he'll read as excuse.

However here's a simpler example.

You're a farmer. You farm the #### out of your field without giving the soil a chance to recover. 5 years later you still can't grow crops there. Coincidence?

Well they have had 38 years and billions spent on the community to recover since the 60's. Or is that not enough?

Clearly not.

[Heracles 417]

Evidently I don't think much of it because I don't plan on (nor do I care to) visit Australia, which has nothing to do with this discussion anyways.

Good. They don't want any blame whitey racist types.

It has a lot to do with it considering you brought up San Jose as en example of a successful city.

Clearly not.

So whose fault is that? Whiteys.

What are you doing to help this community? Unfortunately blaming whitey, which you have implied many times before, and talking ####### on VJ does not count.

Not that you speak for everyone else (I doubt even hard-right Americans want a foreigner speaking for them), but if intolerance to criticism is part of your vision of freedom, you should go back to (or in your case, simply attend) high school government class. Because your logic bleeds hypocrisy.

As your comments bleed racism.

[IAMX 3,055]

Good. They don't want any blame whitey racist types.

Glad to see you still attempt to speak for others. Very pathetic attempts at doing so, might I add. You should just stick to speaking for yourself, as you're not much of a spokesman.

It has a lot to do with it considering you brought up San Jose as en example of a successful city.

It's not? That's news to me!

Should probably tell Yahoo, IBM, Cisco, and all of the millions of engineering and business grads and successful Silicon Valley companies that come from this area, particularly San Jose being one of those, they aren't successful. You know why housing and the cost of living hasn't declined along with the rest of the country? Because people are staying here. If it were this bad, there wouldn't be such an influx of people coming here, and thus the housing costs would plummet. So would the wages, to offset it, because no smart tech company wants to be where there's no business.

You = fail.

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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Evidently I don't think much of it because I don't plan on (nor do I care to) visit Australia, which has nothing to do with this discussion anyways.

Good. They don't want any blame whitey racist types.

It has a lot to do with it considering you brought up San Jose as en example of a successful city.

Clearly not.

So whose fault is that? Whiteys.

What are you doing to help this community? Unfortunately blaming whitey, which you have implied many times before, and talking ####### on VJ does not count.

I'm not sure I understand why someone has to be blamed. Its just the way it is.

For the record - I don't "blame whitey". I do think there is something to be said for social responsiblity - and I'm sceptical of people who refuse to accept that they have benefitted indirectly from the policies of the past. That's not the same as blaming them personally for the conditions. We all have to own our collective failures as well as our successes.

[Heracles 417]

Could you elaborate on how atheists are pushing it on others? Unlike you, I'm willing to actually listen if there's a rational argument being put forth.

Trying to remove religion out of anything and everything is pushing atheism. And, once again, if you have a look at most OECD nations with an extremely high standard of living you will find they are not as determined ( aka communistic / Nazi like) to remove religion from anything an everything. They actually embrace diversity and religion.

Whereas you have shown how hypocritical you are considering you beat on about gay rights yet condemn anyone religious. Apparently their views and choice does not count in your books.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Could you elaborate on how atheists are pushing it on others? Unlike you, I'm willing to actually listen if there's a rational argument being put forth.

Trying to remove religion out of anything and everything is pushing atheism. And, once again, if you have a look at most OECD nations with an extremely high standard of living you will find they are not as determined ( aka communistic / Nazi like) to remove religion from anything an everything. They actually embrace diversity and religion.

Whereas you have shown how hypocritical you are considering you beat on about gay rights yet condemn anyone religious. Apparently their views and choice does not count in your books.

I don't know what countries you're talking about there - but in Europe that just isn't true...

[Heracles 417]

I'm not sure I understand why someone has to be blamed. Its just the way it is.

For the record - I don't "blame whitey". I do think there is something to be said for social responsiblity - and I'm sceptical of people who refuse to accept that they have benefitted indirectly from the policies of the past. That's not the same as blaming them personally for the conditions. We all have to own our collective failures as well as our successes.

I have not benefited from segregation or slavery, as haven't most Americans. So why should I, by default, considered the root of all evil based on the color of my skin. Should I blame you, being English, for the woes of the world created by Great Britain.

[IAMX 3,055]

Trying to remove religion out of anything and everything is pushing atheism. And, once again, if you have a look at most OECD nations with an extremely high standard of living you will find they are not as determined ( aka communistic / Nazi like) to remove religion from anything an everything. They actually embrace diversity and religion.

Other nations are not the U.S. They don't have the same people we do, nor the exact same problems we do. So referencing other countries for this nation's problems is yet again, fail.

Whereas you have shown how hypocritical you are considering you beat on about gay rights yet condemn anyone religious. Apparently their views and choice does not count in your books.

So who are gays stopping from marrying? Or, better yet, who have gays suppressed from anything? Hmm?

Religious choice is secular, and I've always advocated religious secularism. However, how it is actually done in this country is vastly different, despite secularism being blatantly written in the Constitution.

But don't let logic stop you from your ideologue-like rants.

[Heracles 417]

Could you elaborate on how atheists are pushing it on others? Unlike you, I'm willing to actually listen if there's a rational argument being put forth.

Trying to remove religion out of anything and everything is pushing atheism. And, once again, if you have a look at most OECD nations with an extremely high standard of living you will find they are not as determined ( aka communistic / Nazi like) to remove religion from anything an everything. They actually embrace diversity and religion.

Whereas you have shown how hypocritical you are considering you beat on about gay rights yet condemn anyone religious. Apparently their views and choice does not count in your books.

I don't know what countries you're talking about there - but in Europe that just isn't true...

I have been to various European countries. They no where near as determined to prevent governments from celebrating religious holidays with their citizens. For them separation of church and states means that no particular religious group has the right to taken over a government.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm not sure I understand why someone has to be blamed. Its just the way it is.

For the record - I don't "blame whitey". I do think there is something to be said for social responsiblity - and I'm sceptical of people who refuse to accept that they have benefitted indirectly from the policies of the past. That's not the same as blaming them personally for the conditions. We all have to own our collective failures as well as our successes.

I have not benefited from segregation or slavery, as haven't most Americans. So why should I, by default, considered the root of all evil based on the color of my skin. Should I blame you, being English, for the woes of the world created by Great Britain.

Actually as a collective nation - Britain has and continues to provide financial assistance for its former colonies that require it. As I've said before - noone really questions this. And the debate is very much whether Britain is helping enough, not whether it should help at all.

As I said - as citizens of our respective countries we've all inherited a certain set of economic conditions. Just as the children of poor Africans have - being born into poverty. Its not rocket science to understand this...

[Heracles 417]

Other nations are not the U.S. They don't have the same people we do, nor the exact same problems we do. So referencing other countries for this nation's problems is yet again, fail.

No #### hey! Maybe if people like yourself got their head out of their ### they would realize there are a lot of other countries out there doing a better job at uniting and running a country. Rather than simply excusing one group while blaming the other. Even an idiot can comprehend that. IE EG Copy or beat Goggle rather than pretending they don't exists and using the stereotypical this is America not Europe.

Religious choice is secular, and I've always advocated religious secularism. However, how it is actually done in this country is vastly different, despite secularism being blatantly written in the Constitution.

But don't let logic stop you from your ideologue-like rants.

Where does the constitution talk about the literal separation of the government from anything religious? Even if it did, a government is there to look out for and represent their people.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Could you elaborate on how atheists are pushing it on others? Unlike you, I'm willing to actually listen if there's a rational argument being put forth.

Trying to remove religion out of anything and everything is pushing atheism. And, once again, if you have a look at most OECD nations with an extremely high standard of living you will find they are not as determined ( aka communistic / Nazi like) to remove religion from anything an everything. They actually embrace diversity and religion.

Whereas you have shown how hypocritical you are considering you beat on about gay rights yet condemn anyone religious. Apparently their views and choice does not count in your books.

I don't know what countries you're talking about there - but in Europe that just isn't true...

I have been to various European countries. They no where near as determined to prevent governments from celebrating religious holidays with their citizens. For them separation of church and states means that no particular religious group has the right to taken over a government.

And what religious group has taken over the government in the US?