No, Actually, It's that the Economy is Falling Apart

[Dan J 277]

I think that is what we've been trying to tell you all along.

and I have been trying to tell you guys these issues are irrelevant and have been the downside of the United States since the 60's. This is why most other cities around the world are expanding and moving forward while American cities are 2nd world grade at best. Focus on the real issues and not the BS like rights.

Focus on creating jobs and getting people out pf poverty rather than blaming the white man.

For example:

Pentominium Dubai - 2,028 feet

Burj Dubai: 2,600 feet

This is the sort of stuff that not only gets people out of poverty but creates a hell of a lot of jobs and buzz for a city and brings a country into the 21st century.

Space is a bit more premium in Dubai hence the reason for building up. Land is still relatively cheap in most places in the US. Its cheaper to build out.

[IAMX 3,055]

Gay marriage was only first recognized in the Netherlands in 2001 so don't blame it all on the U.S.. Only about 9 evil, (mostly) white countries recognize gay marriage.

Well, in a discussion about the U.S. and it's history, I blame the U.S. for it's faults. So why the hell do I care about the Netherlands? Or is this an attempt to blame someone else?

I wouldn't base policies on animal behavior or we'll get back to polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality for starters.

I also mentioned genetics. There hasn't been a gene yet linking people to beastiality, polygamy, and pedophilia.

However, it would indeed be quite convenient to change the subject on this too.

There are a few Jews in Congress and Liberman was the Democrtic VP nominee in 2004 and Romney is a Mormon (not considered Christian by some) so your Christian only premise is false. There's also a couple of Buddhists as well.

What the hell? Didn't say only Christians. Are you retarded? I just freaking mentioned in another post Keith Ellison getting #######, which he did, because a bunch of Christian ####### wanted to contrast him as a terrorist because he's Muslim. If that's not proof of this #### still happening, nothing is.

Of course, that's besides the actual point of what you quoted, which was where are all the agnostics/atheists?

The facts say otherwise with far more interracial marriages

Which white religious males resisted, not far after segregation, suggesting they only did it to scorn white males and couldn't actually be attracted to black men .

one the first countries (two states) recognizing gay marriage

Which you conservatives give ####### for, and the California one might, unfortunately, be overturned by another religious attempt to ban it. If anything, it says something about CA and MA, nothing about more than half the country who voted to stick their nose into someone else's relationship.

first black president or female VP

Which, as mentioned in yet another previous post, means nothing if they don't use this to take the country into a positive direction.

. . . there's plenty of "progress" so I don't see any rescinding of these trends. Btw, there are a lot of secular people who don't like minorities or gays and Christians preaching tolerance.

Who are "secular people"? And even with that confusion, "a lot of secular people" already sounds disingenuous, at best.

Progress is good, but considering who is actually attempting progress versus who is blocking it, white christian male is on the #### end of the stick.

[Heracles 417]

Their Constitution is not ours, and their problem is not ours. While using relevant accords is useful in judicial interpretations, using other countries as a method of solving our own problems locally is naive at best because Americans refuse to own up to the problems they perpetuate, to start with. So it's a problem that must change from within, not from the imposition of some other country's views. If you've been here long enough you've seen how well Americans take other countries telling them how to deal with internal issues.

You either don't know what you are talking about or you are on something. How is looking at what method someone abroad is using to battle crime and poverty, for example, irrelevant yet your bull ####### of blaming the white man relevant. That is probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Microsoft and Google are primarily directly in competition in the advertising market, where Google is soundly beating Microsoft's a$$ (dollar signs for emphasis). Google also expanded into other areas, like, recently, browsers, but otherwise mapping systems, recently launching a satellite to improve their systems, and other areas like free e-mail, and many others. Moreover, Google is successful because they are wise and change with the times. Microsoft wouldn't change with the times, much like what happens in every facet of trading markets, either at all, or did and was too slow, so they are losing in most other markets.

No ####. Thanks for stating the obvious. At the end of the day it is all about profit / loss. This is what keeps Google afloat. Being in state like CA where it is all about image and money I would have thought you know that.

His excessive zeal and fondness for Australia and how much better it is than everywhere else makes me wonder why he bothered coming here.

I have more of a right to be here than some guy who blames whitey for everything. I will give you credit though. Some people have beaten around the bush about this yet you have come out and basically openly stated whitey is to blame for everything.

PS I know you are not white because there are numerous times you have made similar statements in the past.

Edited September 8, 2008 by Aficionado

[IAMX 3,055]

You either don't know what you are talking about or you are on something. How is looking at what method someone abroad is using to battle crime and poverty irrelevant yet your bull ####### of blaming the white man relevant. That is probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Probably because the dumbest thing about your post is relating to other countries as a red herring to detract from white stupidity. Your inability to call a spade a spade is not my problem.

No ####. Thanks for stating the obvious. At the end of the day it is all about profit / loss. This is what keep Google afloat. Being in state like Ca where it is all about image and money I would have thought you would know that.

For stating the obvious, you know practically #### about California.

I have more of a right to be here than some guy who blames whitey for everything.

Actually, no, being a born citizen here, you don't.

I will give you credit though. Some people have beaten around the bush about this yet you have come out and basically openly stated whitey is to blame for everything.

Yes, it would be convenient for your extreme defensive position to make your position seem less extreme by using a straw man argument, however, you still have yet to show what suppression black men, women, gays, Japanese, etc. did to anyone else and what white man has suffered here. When you do, then your argument won't look like #######.

PS I know you are not white because there are numerous times you have made similar statements in the past.

Haaahahahaha. Nope. As white as they get. You're gonna have to simply take it that a white man can criticize other white men. Even better that it makes the very thing I criticize defensive. Makes my rational assertion have that much more weight, because of your inability to actually argue who has suppressed the white man in the U.S. Just a bunch of defensive, white-on-white garbage.

[Heracles 417]

Remember your rights next time someone violates them for you- should you be so lucky.

And still I find quite astonishing your deep knowledge of all things American.

And yes... the blame game (which you continue to peg as a *blame white man* issue) gets you nowhere. Move along. Create those jobs. Teach those DC kids all about those equal opportunities they have equal access to just like everyone else in Suburbia.

Why should I do that for these people only to have wankers like yourself talking ####### in a forum, all while doing nothing yourself. Apart from rhetorical "cause and effect" and "you just don't understand" responses. The day that helps anyone PM me or call me and I will personally reward and congratulate you.

My ancestors were not plantation owners or responsible for their segregation. I owe them nothing. Yet I want to help them. Sitting in the streets at 3am chilling with you bro's n'####, looking for the next driveby because somebody looked at you funny is not how you progress now is it. Yet you seem to actually defend and excuse this behavior as if it is everyone else's fault. These males are just innocent people right. A product of the system right. Time to get a dose of reality.

[IAMX 3,055]

My ancestors were not plantation owners or responsible for their segregation. I owe them nothing. Yet I want to help them. Sitting in the streets at 3am chilling with you bro's n'####, looking for the next driveby because somebody looked at you funny is not how you progress now is it. Yet you seem to actually defend and excuse this behavior as if it is everyone else's fault. These males are just innocent people right. A product of the system right. Time to get a dose of reality.

Agreed, the dose of reality is blacks are all the problems. Everyone jus' hatin' on poor whitey.

When black man kills, it's whitey's fault. When whitey does somethin', it's white's fault. It ain't whitey's fault whitey be hatin' on gays! Look at all the other countries! I'm in the U.S., but I have more right to be here than any other whitey who be criticizin' other whiteys. Bet he's like Robert Downey Jr. and a *** in disguise.

[Heracles 417]

PS I know you are not white because there are numerous times you have made similar statements in the past.

Haaahahahaha. Nope. As white as they get. You're gonna have to simply take it that a white man can criticize other white men. Even better that it makes the very thing I criticize defensive. Makes my rational assertion have that much more weight, because of your inability to actually argue who has suppressed the white man in the U.S. Just a bunch of defensive, white-on-white garbage.

Were you the gardener at google or what?

Is this garbage you wrote what you call logical?

Didn't benefit women. Subservient to white man.

Didn't benefit blacks. Subservient to white man.

And still doesn't benefit gays, because religious people (white man pushing the hardest)

Japanese internment camps? Pushed by white male

Anti-atheist/agnostic "Red Scare" which helped push a "God" on the currency (for good) and pledge/U.S. motto in the 50s? Alas, yes, white man yet again, pushing religious principles upon others, and even today perpetuating the Mexican scare

Damn. It sucks sometimes to be white.

[IAMX 3,055]

Is this garbage you wrote what you call logical?

Didn't benefit women. Subservient to white man.

Didn't benefit blacks. Subservient to white man.

And still doesn't benefit gays, because religious people (white man pushing the hardest)

Japanese internment camps? Pushed by white male

Anti-atheist/agnostic "Red Scare" which helped push a "God" on the currency (for good) and pledge/U.S. motto in the 50s? Alas, yes, white man yet again, pushing religious principles upon others, and even today perpetuating the Mexican scare

Damn. It sucks sometimes to be white.

It may not be logical because you don't like hearin' criticizin' of whitey.

However, you have yet to prove how these are false. Were blacks not subservient to whites? Were women not subservient to whites? At very least you can EXPLAIN how these are irrational, but then again that means formulating an argument worth a #######, and so far you haven't done squat.

Edit: Well, besides attempt to insult me. Which is all but an indicator of FAIL.

Edited September 8, 2008 by SRVT

[HAL 9000 96]

Remember your rights next time someone violates them for you- should you be so lucky.

And still I find quite astonishing your deep knowledge of all things American.

And yes... the blame game (which you continue to peg as a *blame white man* issue) gets you nowhere. Move along. Create those jobs. Teach those DC kids all about those equal opportunities they have equal access to just like everyone else in Suburbia.

Why should I do that for these people only to have wankers like yourself talking ####### in a forum, all while doing nothing yourself. Apart from rhetorical "cause and effect" and "you just don't understand" responses. The day that helps anyone PM me or call me and I will personally reward and congratulate you.

My ancestors were not plantation owners or responsible for their segregation. I owe them nothing. Yet I want to help them. Sitting in the streets at 3am chilling with you bro's n'####, looking for the next driveby because somebody looked at you funny is not how you progress now is it. Yet you seem to actually defend and excuse this behavior as if it is everyone else's fault. These males are just innocent people right. A product of the system right. Time to get a dose of reality.

So I suppose you aren't interested in telling all those kids how it is.

As far as what I have done, plenty of people can vouch for my real world accomplishments. Starting with roughly 300 underprivileged, inner city kids that are now either in college or almost in because they learned that in this unequal society, the ONLY two ways to get ahead is either to have a silver spoon in your mouth or to earn it.

The rest of your lack of understanding is once again, not surprising. Yet again you need to substantiate yourself, which is beyond comprehension in how you see things that are not there.

But if there is anyone at all at fault... its always going to be... YOU, BY. You are the person to blame.

[Heracles 417]

It may not be logical because you don't like hearin' criticizin' of whitey.

However, you have yet to prove how these are false. Were blacks not subservient to whites? Were women not subservient to whites? At very least you can EXPLAIN how these are irrational, but then again that means formulating an argument worth a #######, and so far you haven't done squat.

Edit: Well, besides attempt to insult me. Which is all but an indicator of FAIL.

I am not trying to insult you at all.

The difference is that you bring up past tense. I am bringing up the reality of 2008. You are justifying you hatred of white males, which you claim you are, yet offering no solutions apart from GWB and the religious right are idiots. Yeah great solution that one. We should put it up for a Nobel prize.

If you hate white males then you hate yourself. What have you done to improve the situation that you feel so passionately about?

[HAL 9000 96]

“For a tree to become tall it must grow tough roots among the rocks.”

[Heracles 417]

So I suppose you aren't interested in telling all those kids how it is.

As far as what I have done, plenty of people can vouch for my real world accomplishments. Starting with roughly 300 underprivileged, inner city kids that are now either in college or almost in because they learned that in this unequal society, the ONLY two ways to get ahead is either to have a silver spoon in your mouth or to earn it.

The rest of your lack of understanding is once again, not surprising. Yet again you need to substantiate yourself, which is beyond comprehension in how you see things that are not there.

But if there is anyone at all at fault... its always going to be... YOU, BY. You are the person to blame.

Hate to give you the 411 maviwaro but the reality is that their future is in their hands. As is the case for most people in OECD nations. Even those living in the most socialist of socialist nations. These kids have the same access and right to an education, or acquire a skill set, as does everybody else. They are responsible for their actions. They are responsible for their future. The other question is where are the parents in all this? What are they doing to better their child's future? Why should society have to pay for bad parenting. This is something I see time and time again here. Where the parents are off the hook while the school etc has to raise this kids. I was never exposed to that sort of ####### / attitude in Australia. Completely foreign to me, even when considering the kids I knew who grew up in single family homes. The parent/s where there like a hawk.

You have at least acknowledged there is only one of two ways to move up in the world. Be rich to begin with or work hard. That is not a race issue as it has been portrayed by many in America but an issue faced by most around the world. It is called reality. Oprah and Obama did not rap or gang bang their way to the top . They worked for it.

Edited September 8, 2008 by Aficionado

[Heracles 417]

PS You will also notice maviwaro that Oprah and Michelle Obama don't use "whatz up dog" or "bro" when speaking. They also dress in a manner which commands respect rather than ridicule.

[HAL 9000 96]

So I suppose you aren't interested in telling all those kids how it is.

As far as what I have done, plenty of people can vouch for my real world accomplishments. Starting with roughly 300 underprivileged, inner city kids that are now either in college or almost in because they learned that in this unequal society, the ONLY two ways to get ahead is either to have a silver spoon in your mouth or to earn it.

The rest of your lack of understanding is once again, not surprising. Yet again you need to substantiate yourself, which is beyond comprehension in how you see things that are not there.

But if there is anyone at all at fault... its always going to be... YOU, BY. You are the person to blame.

Hate to give you the 411 maviwaro but the reality is that their future is in their hands. As is the case for most people in OECD nations. Even those living in the most socialist of socialist nations. These kids have the same access and right to an education, or acquire a skill set, as does everybody else. They are responsible for their actions. They are responsible for their future. The other question is where are the parents in all this? What are they doing to better their child's future? Why should society have to pay for bad parenting. This is something I see time and time again here. Where the parents are off the hook while the school etc has to raise this kids. I was never exposed to that sort of ####### / attitude in Australia. Completely foreign to me, even when considering the kids I knew who grew up in single family homes. The parent/s where there like a hawk.

You have at least acknowledged there is only one of two ways to move up in the world. Be rich to begin with or work hard. That is not a race issue as it has been portrayed by many in America but an issue faced by most around the world. It is called reality. Oprah and Obama did not rap or gang bang their way to the top . They worked for it.

Well no kidding. Notice how I am not refuting your claim. I do refute your complete disregard for circumstance, but hey... we can't expect you to acknowledge cause and effect because to you- that's irrelevant. While reality continues to have been there.

So, since you fail to consider the entire picture, you can't be expected to be able to contribute much to its resolution on the whole.

You can only work if the work is there for you. And guess what? It ain't mate. Not yet at least. That is reality, ca 2008. Changing, just not fast enough for those that have been struggling to actually do something about it.

PS You will also notice maviwaro that Oprah and Michelle Obama don't use "whatz up dog" or "bro" when speaking. They also dress in a manner which commands respect rather than ridicule.

And?

Where is your point?

Dog.

[IAMX 3,055]

It may not be logical because you don't like hearin' criticizin' of whitey.

However, you have yet to prove how these are false. Were blacks not subservient to whites? Were women not subservient to whites? At very least you can EXPLAIN how these are irrational, but then again that means formulating an argument worth a #######, and so far you haven't done squat.

Edit: Well, besides attempt to insult me. Which is all but an indicator of FAIL.

I am not trying to insult you at all.

The difference is that you bring up past tense. I am bringing up the reality of 2008. You are justifying you hatred of white males, which you claim you are, yet offering no solutions apart from GWB and the religious right are idiots. Yeah great solution that one. We should put it up for a Nobel prize.

If you hate white males then you hate yourself. What have you done to improve the situation that you feel so passionately about?

Yawn. Same boring insinuation that criticism = hate. Nope. News to you -- criticism of a race of people who deliberately ###### up many times does not make someone a self-hater. Who would know if I were hating myself better than me? Oh, wait, apparently you. Not.

And no, the SECOND post on this topic (which I will quote for your forgetfulness) I mentioned historically, from early on, to today these problems. You just continuously fail to read, and continuously refuse to actually show how, in any fashion or form, white man has been suppressed, and how, even in the slightest, how the suppression white man has done isn't true, beyond simply crying about me being a whitey hater.

Anyways, last I checked, "today" is in the year 2008:

Actually, Bell is kind of right. I do want to see the religious institution put forth unto the non-religious torn apart. I refuse to live my life under religious principles, and I'm sure today gays are feeling the same way. Wasn't long ago that women and blacks were feeling quite similar.

At least, if you consider who's religion indeed that people in this country have been suffering under, and who it benefits most. Let's see.

Didn't benefit women. Subservient to white man. Didn't benefit blacks. Subservient to white man. And still doesn't benefit gays, because religious people (white man pushing the hardest) want to be judgmental about the private life of two gay people who are in love with one another, and define "marriage" for someone else based upon such religious principles. Japanese internment camps? Pushed by white male xenophobes. Anti-atheist/agnostic "Red Scare" which helped push a "God" on the currency (for good) and pledge/U.S. motto in the 50s? Alas, yes, white man yet again, pushing religious principles upon others, and even today perpetuating the Mexican scare (has anyone seen something more funny and pathetic than the "Minute Men" of late?), the Gay scare, the Muslim/Arab scare, and so forth. Seems white religious man is scared of a lot of things. No sense in scared people run things, because they make the most uneducated mistakes and are the worst leaders. No better proof of that today than Bush's "axis of evil" #######, Iraq #### up, pissing off quite a bit of the world, taking a ####### on the constitution, namely toward speech, protest, and oversight (three branches of government, separation of powers), push to prevent civil rights as a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage (has anyone yet seen an amendment DENYING rights by exclusivity?), and the list goes on.

Damn. It sucks sometimes to be white.

If you're so in touch with reality, show me how untrue what white man has done is, and show me how much white man has suffered. All these posts and you still haven't shown ####. Just the same tired, boring, defensive ####### and red herrings to pull the discussion away from your inability to show substance in your argument.

Edited September 8, 2008 by SRVT