Alberta teens get community service for animal cruelty

[IAMX 3,055]

Thanks, I didn't mention names so this is interesting you felt the need to respond. Great insights into who you are here.

Well, that's because you utterly fail at subtlety, Gary. You should try a bit harder.

[Mags 112]

There's one thing I do keep in mind, and that is never underestimate the hypocrisy of the judgmental. There's not a single one of you being judgmental about an ELEVEN year old who are rational in the slightest. There's no way in hell you haven't done anything in your life you regret. And to sit there, up on your pedestal and tell me this is wrong and how ###### up I am (hi Gary, not surprising there.. moral elite knocking at my doorstep) does what? I already learned my lesson. Essentially, every one of you who want to tell me how horrible it was is just reinforcing the ####### Magenda spewed which is on one's high horse, and you need to come down from it. And guess what, I'm sure as hell not apologizing to any one of you, and if you want to connect that with how I act, that's fine, and a means for justification of political positions (hi again Gary). Ironically, in hunting, your friend Ted Nugent destroys animals, yes, while hunting, in the most gruesome ways possible, and supplants their heads on his gun. And he's a conservative hero.

If you want to act like I'm an atrocious person because of what I did at eleven years old, by Magenta's logic, because MILLIONS DIDN'T DO IT -- I guarantee all of you have done something millions others haven't (of course, you're also hiding it, I don't care to) -- that's fine with me, I have no problem going toe to toe with some judgmental #######.

It doesn't matter to me, as mentioned in this topic, I'll take on any one of you who want to jump in on this moral superiority bandwagon. In the end, it's not going to change how I feel about the OP, which has nothing to do with what happened at eleven, nor my political positions (the most ironic of judgments here, hi Gary), so if you want to make yourself feel high and mighty, and continue this joke of trying to tear someone down because of what they did in the years of not knowing what they're doing, by all means, I'm all for it. Just note it will have a retort equally as harsh.

Take on as many as you like, but please do so without the profanity and personal insults, please. That's me speaking as a mod not a member.

Now, speaking as a member, firstly, Ted Nugent is not my friend. I'm British, I have no idea who he is. Somewhere in the back of my brain I keep thinking he plays the guitar or something.

Secondly, yes, you did what you did and nothing can change that. What I find interesting is that you seem to show no remorse for what you did - you just make excuses. Now, maybe you have shown remorse in your life and, you're right, I don't know you or what you are like offline - but your apparent lack of remorse, is a little disconcerting, as is your laughing and joking about animal cruelty.

But this is JUST my 2cents. Just saying what I see, that's all.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

Ironically, in hunting, your friend Ted Nugent destroys animals, yes, while hunting, in the most gruesome ways possible, and supplants their heads on his gun. And he's a conservative hero.

as a hunter, i'm offended by that comparison. a good hunter eats what he shoots. i doubt you can compare that to the cat you beat to death unless you ate it.

furthermore, hunters try for a quick death. i can't see a parallel to the cat with this.

[IAMX 3,055]

Take on as many as you like, but please do so without the profanity and personal insults, please. That's me speaking as a mod not a member.

I'm afraid your side is going to have more trouble with the insults than me.

Now, speaking as a member, firstly, Ted Nugent is not my friend. I'm British, I have no idea who he is. Somewhere in the back of my brain I keep thinking he plays the guitar or something.

He indeed was and is still a guitarist. He's one guy who I don't like politically, but the more I encounter PETA nuts, the more he and I see eye to eye. He's put up videos of himself knifing animals he was going to eat, and does quite a bit of things to piss off the animal bunch who want to equalize animals with humans. I've spent most of my life hating his guts, even well after, and his political positions are quite similar to Gary's. Very hard conservative. Gun nut. Hero to the NRA.

Secondly, yes, you did what you did and nothing can change that. What I find interesting is that you seem to show no remorse for what you did - you just make excuses. Now, maybe you have shown remorse in your life and, you're right, I don't know you or what you are like offline - but your apparent lack of remorse, is a little disconcerting, as is your laughing and joking about animal cruelty.

The jokes is for those who want to take it far too personally something that never even happened to them. I was the one who had to deal with it, and it actually changed how I acted toward domesticated animals, becoming sensitive to animal abuse, but nowhere near the levels of some people in this topic.

I already showed remorse long ago, my fiancee knows how I feel. Given the already high end of judgmental posts, why am I going to bother showing remorse again some 15 years later? If anything, I'm going to shove the #### back at these irrationally sensitive people by joking about it. I don't owe anyone here the showing of remorse.

[Mags 112]

I'm afraid your side is going to have more trouble with the insults than me.

And if they cross the line I'll act accordingly.

He's one guy who I don't like politically, but the more I encounter PETA nuts, the more he and I see eye to eye. He's put up videos of himself knifing animals he was going to eat, and does quite a bit of things to piss off the animal bunch who want to equalize animals with humans. I've spent most of my life hating his guts, even well after, and his political positions are quite similar to Gary's. Very hard conservative. Gun nut. Hero to the NRA.

If he does this then I can assure you that I'm pretty disgusted. Committing animal cruelty just to make a point is very low. For the record, I'm actually not a fan of PETA. They are a bunch of hypocrites who cause more trouble for people trying to help animals, than anything else.

I don't want to equalise animals with humans, but I'd like to see an end to animal cruelty. Will that happen? I doubt it, can't stop me wanting it though.

The jokes is for those who want to take it far too personally something that never even happened to them. I was the one who had to deal with it, and it actually changed how I acted toward domesticated animals, becoming sensitive to animal abuse, but nowhere near the levels of some people in this topic.

I already showed remorse long ago, my fiancee knows how I feel. Given the already high end of judgmental posts, why am I going to bother showing remorse again some 15 years later? If anything, I'm going to shove the #### back at these irrationally sensitive people by joking about it. I don't owe anyone here the showing of remorse.

But the jokes seem to indicate that you don't care. I love animals and I think I have a great sense of humour for the most part. But some things just aren't fair material for jokes. This was one of those times. You're right, you don't owe us anything, however you may find that the judgemental posts that you are complaining about may stop if you did show some remorse.

[IAMX 3,055]

You're right, you don't owe us anything, however you may find that the judgemental posts that you are complaining about may stop if you did show some remorse.

Two things -- crude humor is my humor. Black humor as well. There's nothing that makes a person take a look at their defensiveness or sensitivity than showing something that does or might offend them. But again, that works for the open-minded and introspective. Not the ideologues.

Moreover, I view showing remorse to the judgmental bunch in this topic as kissing their feet. You know the likelihood of that happening? When hell freezes.

Had you not immediately went on the attack, I might have.

Edited September 7, 2008 by SRVT

[Mags 112]

You're right, you don't owe us anything, however you may find that the judgemental posts that you are complaining about may stop if you did show some remorse.

Two things -- crude humor is my humor. Black humor as well. There's nothing that makes a person take a look at their defensiveness or sensitivity than showing something that does or might offend them. But again, that works for the open-minded and introspective. Not the ideologues.

Moreover, I view showing remorse to the judgmental bunch in this topic as kissing their feet. You know the likelihood of that happening? When hell freezes.

Had you not immediately went on the attack, I might have.

Hmm, I think that you took the chance when you posted your story. How did you expect people to react? It's a horrific story. Once more, I don't think I've attacked you at all, merely stated my opinion and my feelings.

As for openminded? I'm just about the most open minded person you'd ever meet. I just think that certain things aren't funny.

[akdiver 3]

Here, kitty, kitty, kitty....

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[Mags 112]

Here, kitty, kitty, kitty....

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Nice try but...

[IAMX 3,055]

Hmm, I think that you took the chance when you posted your story. How did you expect people to react? It's a horrific story. Once more, I don't think I've attacked you at all, merely stated my opinion and my feelings.

Did I expect people to react kindly? Certainly not. I've told this story numerous times. It does give people an ill feeling. However, this part:

it was shortly after my dad died, I was a pretty pissed off person, getting into fights with people.

I did it out of rage, but after seeing the cat dead, I decided not to harm another cat with my hands again unless I had to, and since then have, myself, been pretty sensitive to people hitting dogs and cats.

.. usually was a sign of learning a lesson, for people who are indeed more objective, and realized there was a problem all around, and ended up being a resolution, or one might call it remorse. However, the remorse you want me to show is merely one of subjective belief, meaning for me to show the same level of sensitivity to cats that you do. Which I don't, and won't. If you hadn't been so harsh and attacking, as well as others, I may have re-enforced the part I quoted to you, but again, if you want someone to show remorse, particularly to the level you want, try showing empathy.

This reaction here is certainly, by far, the worst and most judgmental I've ever seen, but then again, being around a hard-lined religious family, I'm well prepared for this type. Have no problem dishing it back to them if all they want to do is sling #######.

Edited September 7, 2008 by SRVT

[Mags 112]

Hmm, I think that you took the chance when you posted your story. How did you expect people to react? It's a horrific story. Once more, I don't think I've attacked you at all, merely stated my opinion and my feelings.

Did I expect people to react kindly? Certainly not. I've told this story numerous times. It does give people an ill feeling. However, this part:

it was shortly after my dad died, I was a pretty pissed off person, getting into fights with people.

I did it out of rage, but after seeing the cat dead, I decided not to harm another cat with my hands again unless I had to, and since then have, myself, been pretty sensitive to people hitting dogs and cats.

.. usually was a sign of learning a lesson, for people who are indeed more objective, and realized there was a problem all around, and ended up being a resolution, or one might call it remorse. However, the remorse you want me to show is merely one of subjective belief, meaning for me to show the same level of sensitivity to cats that you do. Which I don't, and won't. If you hadn't been so harsh and attacking, as well as others, I may have re-enforced the part I quoted to you, but again, if you want someone to show remorse, particularly to the level you want, try showing empathy.

This reaction here is certainly, by far, the worst and most judgmental I've ever seen, but then again, being around a hard-lined religious family, I'm well prepared for this type. Have no problem dishing it back to them if all they want to do is sling #######.

Welcome to OT!

[IAMX 3,055]

Welcome to OT!

A little bit late..

[jundp 191]

For the record, the cruelty of the sh!tfukcs in the original post made me ill. The reactions of a few here explain a lot. I now understand why they say some of the things they say.

Yes. And it's not "just a cat."

Yes, I am passing judgment. 16 year olds know right from wrong. They know torture is wrong.

They know leaving a dead cat in the microwave with a note to the family is going to cause suffering and pain.

Their sentence was a joke.

They don't deserve the death penalty, and I say this because I am quite opposed to the death penalty, but they deserve more than 100 hours of community service. They should be in counseling.

Or working all day cleaning up cat and dog poop in a shelter (but not near the animals).

Sick f@cks.

[akdiver 3]

They don't deserve the death penalty, and I say this because I am quite opposed to the death penalty, but they deserve more than 100 hours of community service.

I think that for their community service, they should be allowed to roam the neighborhoods and rid them of loose cats, using whatever mechanism they deem fit. Many people would greatly appreciate having such a service in their community. Edited September 7, 2008 by akdiver

[IAMX 3,055]

For the record, the cruelty of the sh!tfukcs in the original post made me ill. The reactions of a few here explain a lot. I now understand why they say some of the things they say.

Yes. And it's not "just a cat."

Yes, I am passing judgment. 16 year olds know right from wrong. They know torture is wrong.

They know leaving a dead cat in the microwave with a note to the family is going to cause suffering and pain.

Their sentence was a joke.

They don't deserve the death penalty, and I say this because I am quite opposed to the death penalty, but they deserve more than 100 hours of community service. They should be in counseling.

Or working all day cleaning up cat and dog poop in a shelter (but not near the animals).

Sick f@cks.

Canada has been known to go lightly, by U.S. standards (which I consider unreasonable in most cases), but thankfully they are their own country and have a rational reason behind their sentencing. Also, the judgmental part is just shown in your post. 16 year olds may or may not know right from wrong. This is taught to them, and as we know not all parents are equal when it comes to teaching their kids things, and not all kids can be taught equally. This is why, when discussing the incident, I left open the options of psychiatric care, but the reasoning behind it is hard to determine. Nonetheless, even not knowing, your post is a classic example of people jumping up on their pedestal and looking down on another, completely ignoring anything they've done is likely going to be construed by another person as offensive and morally outrageous. This, is what we call "hypocrisy".