Republican Party now glorifies Palin's daughter

[symbiosis 0]

the daughter got knocked up by her boyfriend..i am glad she was not black, then the GOP been saying what a #######

i was totally thinking this when i read your post.

all i know is that i've worked in inner city public schools, where a high percentage of teenage girls find themselves pregnant.

how come none of them are praised for being brave or making a difficult decision or embarking on a difficult journey...? A model of the American family?

IMO it's not an issue of race, but of class. I don't think that most republicans care whether teenagers have babies as long as their tax dollars don't go towards raising them.

Exactly.

The official line I'm hearing about this (from a right wing POV) is that it's about loving your children even when they make mistakes and supporting their decisions. The left wing POV (not shared by everyone, but I'm hearing it a lot) is that this pregnancy is shameful. Maybe Bristol should be banished to a nunnery?

It's a topsy turvy election when people I should agree with politically sound like the lecturing moral police.

I don't think that is quite true. I think there are people who want to see the GOP or right wing or whatever it is flounder because they consider this a percieved moral hypocracy. However, I think Jenn is on the button. Although the right agenda is family values, no sex before marriage etc, the reality is that these are real people who have real families with all the problems that always entails. The truth is, that if you do make a mistake, make sure you can pay for it, financially as well as emotionally, because it's not up to the goverment to fix these mistakes once made. I think that's the reality.

Right on!!

This is the main misunderstanding of what it means to be a republican. We strive to live by our morals but we are also human. We are human and sometimes don't live up to our goals. All people make mistakes regardless of our political stripe. The difference between us is how we react to the mistakes.

You'd like to think so, wouldn't you? But if the vast majority of teen pregnancies are in red states (all but three of the 25 states with highest rates of teen pregnancy are red states: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/6/145758/107) ...

then it only stands to reason that a good percentage of Republicans are taking the dole to pay for their babies.

Gary's logic fails again!

Thats quite a leap to come to that conclusion. All states have a diversity of dems and reps, just some states have a few more of one over the other. You also fail to realize that there are twice the number of red states over blue ones. But it fits your narrow minded hatred for anything that doesn't fit your twisted ideas. Your logic is a tragic failure as usual.

Certainly no more of a leap than you just made, Gary. At least I have cited some evidence for my claim, which is more than I have ever seen you do here. Still, you'd think if Democrats were really that vile, there'd be a bit more of a correlation. In any case, you saw the chart, so you also know that all but three of the 18 states with the LOWEST teen pregnancy rate are BLUE states.

You need a logic class I think. Explain to me how a states record of voting for president effects the teen pregnancy rates? In reality the difference between a state going red or blue is only a matter of a few percent. You make no sense at all, but what else is new?

No, no, no, Gary. Not my logic, yours. Or have you forgotten? I seem to recall (as we can all read above) that you made the case that Republicans are of superior virtue. I would think that would be reflected in some way in states that were heavily Republican, such as Mississippi and Texas (two highest for teen pregnancies).

[GaryC 7]

No, no, no, Gary. Not my logic, yours. Or have you forgotten? I seem to recall (as we can all read above) that you made the case that Republicans are of superior virtue. I would think that would be reflected in some way in states that were heavily Republican, such as Mississippi and Texas (two highest for teen pregnancies).

All I can say to that is:

You get better by the moment!!

[natty bumppo 297]

No, no, no, Gary. Not my logic, yours. Or have you forgotten? I seem to recall (as we can all read above) that you made the case that Republicans are of superior virtue. I would think that would be reflected in some way in states that were heavily Republican, such as Mississippi and Texas (two highest for teen pregnancies).

does your teen pregnancy reference discriminate between legal teens ... and illegal alien teens ?

[symbiosis 0]

this is classic:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/04/jon-st...riod-of-months/

[natty bumppo 297]

this is classic:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/04/jon-st...riod-of-months/

still doesn't answer the question ....

[GaryC 7]

this is classic:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/04/jon-st...riod-of-months/

still doesn't answer the question ....

Don't mind symbiosis. He is a one man smear machine. He throws a ton of sh!t and sees what sticks. He should learn not to stand up wind when he does it though.

[Peikko 1,575]

this is classic:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/04/jon-st...riod-of-months/

still doesn't answer the question ....

Don't mind symbiosis. He is a one man smear machine. He throws a ton of sh!t and sees what sticks. He should learn not to stand up wind when he does it though.

The fact is, that you and others on both sides enjoy this kind of ####### for tat bickering. I tried to stear this conversation onto a more objective footing, but, as usual a certain faction is content to ride with the ####### and somehow believe they have the high ground. I wonder if it's really worth trying to be more objective?

[symbiosis 0]

this is classic:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/04/jon-st...riod-of-months/

still doesn't answer the question ....

Don't mind symbiosis. He is a one man smear machine. He throws a ton of sh!t and sees what sticks. He should learn not to stand up wind when he does it though.

Oh yeah. Incapable of an ounce of self awareness, eh?

[natty bumppo 297]

this is classic:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/04/jon-st...riod-of-months/

still doesn't answer the question ....

Don't mind symbiosis. He is a one man smear machine. He throws a ton of sh!t and sees what sticks. He should learn not to stand up wind when he does it though.

oh ... a piss into the wind type of person

[GaryC 7]

this is classic:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/04/jon-st...riod-of-months/

still doesn't answer the question ....

Don't mind symbiosis. He is a one man smear machine. He throws a ton of sh!t and sees what sticks. He should learn not to stand up wind when he does it though.

The fact is, that you and others on both sides enjoy this kind of ####### for tat bickering. I tried to stear this conversation onto a more objective footing, but, as usual a certain faction is content to ride with the ####### and somehow believe they have the high ground. I wonder if it's really worth trying to be more objective?

Other than countering symbiosis's stupidity what ####### for tat are you talking about?

[Peikko 1,575]

If you can't see it, I can't explain it to you, sorry.

[natty bumppo 297]

If you can't see it, I can't explain it to you, sorry.

lack of words?

[Peikko 1,575]

I will say this, stick to objective issues and you aren't a participant. I am not saying one can never get embroiled, it's easy to do sometimes, but when the thread just descends into #######, well, you should get my drift.

[Jenn! 918]

You have faulty logic! No, YOU have faulty logic! Repeat.

[GaryC 7]

I will say this, stick to objective issues and you aren't a participant. I am not saying one can never get embroiled, it's easy to do sometimes, but when the thread just descends into #######, well, you should get my drift.

It's kind of hard to stick to issues when you have a person spouting stupidity and gross stereotypes like that. Sorry, but when faced with utter moronic comments like that I guess I get carried away.