Affair while Married

[RandyM 0]

Thanks.

McCain was listed as an example, it appeared he was having affair and applied for license while he was married, if this is moral turpitude? if so, how he is running for a President.

mccain didn't need to get a visa either. so it's off the subject.

this forum is better suited for these types of questions. the mermaid will be by shortly to assist you.

[chavelle 6]

yes i agree with others , the consulate does not care about your past relationships or marriages. They care about now in the present make sure you have your divorce final with decree in your hand before filing any papers work with immigration. As long as it is a real relationship. Then your friend should not not be denied for past mariage.

It's reasonably safe to conclude a Consular officer won't make a big issue of having had an affair and illigitimate child with the foreign beneficiary but you can bet your britches they care about previous relationships for many other reasons. I don't see a worry here but your assertion bolded above is far to broad to be accurate.

yes i can understand what you are saying if there have been abuse or fraud in past relationships. thank you

Actually, the more common reason for concern is that the past relationship is currently ongoing and the petitioned relationship is a fraud. Past relationships, including what the parties know about their partner's past relationships often impact the evaluation of the bona fides of currently petitioned relationships.

Okay it seems like obtaining a Fiancé Visa with extramarital affair is not a problem. However, has anyone experienced any problem due to an extramarital affair in the AOS (adjustment of status) interview???? What I have read is that an extramarital affair that destroys an existing marriage is a 'crime involving moral turpitude' which may result in the denial at AOS. Any thoughts?

I agree with you a 100% . My friend's husband was denied of a visa due to the fact that they were involved in a relationship before the divorce.They tried everything to convince the c/o but it did not work. I am not gonna judge here but I personally think that it is wrong to get involved with a married man/woman.In a situation (mentioned by a previous poster) where they are separated,awaiting divorce is completely different.I told my friend that I was not sorry that her husband was denied.

Think about it.... who would want their husband/wife to meet someone else and end the marriage? ... none of us !!!! This is a SIN....THE BIBLE TELLS US SO!!!!

[chavelle 6]

Charles,

This is the forum we are in "Marriage Based Immigration (K1, K2, K3, etc) to the USA > K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures General Discussion"

I started the thread, and I don't believe she hijacked the thread, the question is IF USCIS see this as a moral turpitude, than why they would they issue K1 Visa and later at the time of AOS deny it as the other posters posting.

I am sorry if this is inappropriate and properly written in a proper thread:

McCain was listed as an example, it appeared he was having affair and applied for license while he was married, if this is moral turpitude? if so, how he is running for a President.

I don't know, I am just asking question and learning.

given the direction this thread has taken, i'm moving it.

Okay it seems like obtaining a Fiancé Visa with extramarital affair is not a problem. However, has anyone experienced any problem due to an extramarital affair in the AOS (adjustment of status) interview???? What I have read is that an extramarital affair that destroys an existing marriage is a 'crime involving moral turpitude' which may result in the denial at AOS. Any thoughts?

it would be best if you posted that as a separate thread in this forum:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showforum=127

[GiGii 4]

Once a liar & cheater... always a liar & cheater. Some characteristics of a person never change. Maybe your "friends" fiancee will one day stumble upon to read this.

[chavelle 6]

Once a liar & cheater... always a liar & cheater. Some characteristics of a person never change. Maybe your "friends" fiancee will one day stumble upon to read this.

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Well said

[morocco4ever 63]

Thanks rrobin,

Excellent link!

so, in 1981, 27 years ago they removed adultery as a reason to deny visa. However, the adultery can be used in combination of the 7 items listed in the book (linked provided by you), item 1 mentions it could be used for denial if the alien "destroy a viable marriage" my question is how does the alien destroy a viable marriage? any input?

Scenario: What if the USC marriage was not going anywhere, when he met an alien, it is possible they had their difference and marriage was not working out, love happens divorce happens 50% rate in US. We know this is not an ideal situation, thats why we all are asking questions.

The problem you will have will probably be more at the consulate level rather than the USCIS. Your scenario leaves a lot of holes in your friends case. Think like a consular officer. He met her 4 years into his marriage. They have an affair, then a child together, he remains married for an additional 3 years. If you were a CO would you assume, keeping in mind that the marriage stayed intact for an additional 3 years, that the marriage was viable at the time they started the affair?

I am curious. I have seen a couple of posters that are in a similar situation, and they had their I-129f approved, but hadn't gotten to the interview stage yet. How many have had a similar case and have recieved the visa? This should be more who is giving valid advice. Getting the I-129f approved is simply verifying that you are eligible for that specific type of visa, it isn't the actual issuance.

[boohbah 0]

Just file the damn papers & see where it takes you.

[pushbrk 12,907]

yes i agree with others , the consulate does not care about your past relationships or marriages. They care about now in the present make sure you have your divorce final with decree in your hand before filing any papers work with immigration. As long as it is a real relationship. Then your friend should not not be denied for past mariage.

It's reasonably safe to conclude a Consular officer won't make a big issue of having had an affair and illigitimate child with the foreign beneficiary but you can bet your britches they care about previous relationships for many other reasons. I don't see a worry here but your assertion bolded above is far to broad to be accurate.

yes i can understand what you are saying if there have been abuse or fraud in past relationships. thank you

Actually, the more common reason for concern is that the past relationship is currently ongoing and the petitioned relationship is a fraud. Past relationships, including what the parties know about their partner's past relationships often impact the evaluation of the bona fides of currently petitioned relationships.

Okay it seems like obtaining a Fiancé Visa with extramarital affair is not a problem. However, has anyone experienced any problem due to an extramarital affair in the AOS (adjustment of status) interview???? What I have read is that an extramarital affair that destroys an existing marriage is a 'crime involving moral turpitude' which may result in the denial at AOS. Any thoughts?

I agree with you a 100% . My friend's husband was denied of a visa due to the fact that they were involved in a relationship before the divorce.They tried everything to convince the c/o but it did not work. I am not gonna judge here but I personally think that it is wrong to get involved with a married man/woman.In a situation (mentioned by a previous poster) where they are separated,awaiting divorce is completely different.I told my friend that I was not sorry that her husband was denied.

Think about it.... who would want their husband/wife to meet someone else and end the marriage? ... none of us !!!! This is a SIN....THE BIBLE TELLS US SO!!!!

The moralizing aside, this sounds like "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" logic to me. Your friend was involved in a relationship before the divorce. Later, her husband was denied a visa. Fact number three, is that adultry isn't a grounds for denying a visa, at least in and of itself, no matter how wrong anybody thinks adultry is.

I supect the "due to" is incorrect and the real reason for denial is a combination of more complicated factors.

[morocco4ever 63]

yes i agree with others , the consulate does not care about your past relationships or marriages. They care about now in the present make sure you have your divorce final with decree in your hand before filing any papers work with immigration. As long as it is a real relationship. Then your friend should not not be denied for past mariage.

It's reasonably safe to conclude a Consular officer won't make a big issue of having had an affair and illigitimate child with the foreign beneficiary but you can bet your britches they care about previous relationships for many other reasons. I don't see a worry here but your assertion bolded above is far to broad to be accurate.

yes i can understand what you are saying if there have been abuse or fraud in past relationships. thank you

Actually, the more common reason for concern is that the past relationship is currently ongoing and the petitioned relationship is a fraud. Past relationships, including what the parties know about their partner's past relationships often impact the evaluation of the bona fides of currently petitioned relationships.

Okay it seems like obtaining a Fiancé Visa with extramarital affair is not a problem. However, has anyone experienced any problem due to an extramarital affair in the AOS (adjustment of status) interview???? What I have read is that an extramarital affair that destroys an existing marriage is a 'crime involving moral turpitude' which may result in the denial at AOS. Any thoughts?

I agree with you a 100% . My friend's husband was denied of a visa due to the fact that they were involved in a relationship before the divorce.They tried everything to convince the c/o but it did not work. I am not gonna judge here but I personally think that it is wrong to get involved with a married man/woman.In a situation (mentioned by a previous poster) where they are separated,awaiting divorce is completely different.I told my friend that I was not sorry that her husband was denied.

Think about it.... who would want their husband/wife to meet someone else and end the marriage? ... none of us !!!! This is a SIN....THE BIBLE TELLS US SO!!!!

The moralizing aside, this sounds like "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" logic to me. Your friend was involved in a relationship before the divorce. Later, her husband was denied a visa. Fact number three, is that adultry isn't a grounds for denying a visa, at least in and of itself, no matter how wrong anybody thinks adultry is.

I supect the "due to" is incorrect and the real reason for denial is a combination of more complicated factors.

Keep in mind he is only assuming.

Only the CO would know the reason, and to lead the OP to believe that there won't be issues could lead the OP to being unprepared. It is much better that he hears a few approvals and denials in order to understand what can be expected. Better to be over prepared than under prepared.

One other note, posting on a board with people that have been waiting months or years for a spouse, all the while being faithful, is going to lead to some comments on this persons actions. Posting on a public forum opens themselves up to critizism. I don't think a persons outrage at this is really all that unexpected, do you?

[pushbrk 12,907]

yes i agree with others , the consulate does not care about your past relationships or marriages. They care about now in the present make sure you have your divorce final with decree in your hand before filing any papers work with immigration. As long as it is a real relationship. Then your friend should not not be denied for past mariage.

It's reasonably safe to conclude a Consular officer won't make a big issue of having had an affair and illigitimate child with the foreign beneficiary but you can bet your britches they care about previous relationships for many other reasons. I don't see a worry here but your assertion bolded above is far to broad to be accurate.

yes i can understand what you are saying if there have been abuse or fraud in past relationships. thank you

Actually, the more common reason for concern is that the past relationship is currently ongoing and the petitioned relationship is a fraud. Past relationships, including what the parties know about their partner's past relationships often impact the evaluation of the bona fides of currently petitioned relationships.

Okay it seems like obtaining a Fiancé Visa with extramarital affair is not a problem. However, has anyone experienced any problem due to an extramarital affair in the AOS (adjustment of status) interview???? What I have read is that an extramarital affair that destroys an existing marriage is a 'crime involving moral turpitude' which may result in the denial at AOS. Any thoughts?

I agree with you a 100% . My friend's husband was denied of a visa due to the fact that they were involved in a relationship before the divorce.They tried everything to convince the c/o but it did not work. I am not gonna judge here but I personally think that it is wrong to get involved with a married man/woman.In a situation (mentioned by a previous poster) where they are separated,awaiting divorce is completely different.I told my friend that I was not sorry that her husband was denied.

Think about it.... who would want their husband/wife to meet someone else and end the marriage? ... none of us !!!! This is a SIN....THE BIBLE TELLS US SO!!!!

The moralizing aside, this sounds like "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" logic to me. Your friend was involved in a relationship before the divorce. Later, her husband was denied a visa. Fact number three, is that adultry isn't a grounds for denying a visa, at least in and of itself, no matter how wrong anybody thinks adultry is.

I supect the "due to" is incorrect and the real reason for denial is a combination of more complicated factors.

Keep in mind he is only assuming.

Only the CO would know the reason, and to lead the OP to believe that there won't be issues could lead the OP to being unprepared. It is much better that he hears a few approvals and denials in order to understand what can be expected. Better to be over prepared than under prepared.

One other note, posting on a board with people that have been waiting months or years for a spouse, all the while being faithful, is going to lead to some comments on this persons actions. Posting on a public forum opens themselves up to critizism. I don't think a persons outrage at this is really all that unexpected, do you?

Not unexpected in the least but I do expect them to keep the moral outrage to themselves as it is off-topic and a violation of the terms of service. The need for self control is not limited to the groin.

[chavelle 6]

yes i agree with others , the consulate does not care about your past relationships or marriages. They care about now in the present make sure you have your divorce final with decree in your hand before filing any papers work with immigration. As long as it is a real relationship. Then your friend should not not be denied for past mariage.

It's reasonably safe to conclude a Consular officer won't make a big issue of having had an affair and illigitimate child with the foreign beneficiary but you can bet your britches they care about previous relationships for many other reasons. I don't see a worry here but your assertion bolded above is far to broad to be accurate.

yes i can understand what you are saying if there have been abuse or fraud in past relationships. thank you

Actually, the more common reason for concern is that the past relationship is currently ongoing and the petitioned relationship is a fraud. Past relationships, including what the parties know about their partner's past relationships often impact the evaluation of the bona fides of currently petitioned relationships.

Okay it seems like obtaining a Fiancé Visa with extramarital affair is not a problem. However, has anyone experienced any problem due to an extramarital affair in the AOS (adjustment of status) interview???? What I have read is that an extramarital affair that destroys an existing marriage is a 'crime involving moral turpitude' which may result in the denial at AOS. Any thoughts?

I agree with you a 100% . My friend's husband was denied of a visa due to the fact that they were involved in a relationship before the divorce.They tried everything to convince the c/o but it did not work. I am not gonna judge here but I personally think that it is wrong to get involved with a married man/woman.In a situation (mentioned by a previous poster) where they are separated,awaiting divorce is completely different.I told my friend that I was not sorry that her husband was denied.

Think about it.... who would want their husband/wife to meet someone else and end the marriage? ... none of us !!!! This is a SIN....THE BIBLE TELLS US SO!!!!

The moralizing aside, this sounds like "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" logic to me. Your friend was involved in a relationship before the divorce. Later, her husband was denied a visa. Fact number three, is that adultry isn't a grounds for denying a visa, at least in and of itself, no matter how wrong anybody thinks adultry is.

I supect the "due to" is incorrect and the real reason for denial is a combination of more complicated factors.

You are missing the whole point!!! I am not posting here based on what I have been told because I have seen the evidence for myself. You are the one that is being judgemental here. Maybe you don't have a problem with it, which is absolutely fine , as you are entitled to your opinion. However , you are giving here false hope because I have seen a few people in similar situation and were turned down. Adultery is grounds for denial!!! This marriage was clearly viable. Take a close look at the topic of the op posting.... did I see "affair while married"??? ... I believe so.

For your information my friend or her husband had no criminal background , she is a defence attorney so meeting the financial requirement was not an issue , her husband is a doctor and business man , she owns two houses , no overstays -nothing. Their only problem was having the affair which led to the breakdown of her previous marriage.

No point going any further with this conversation because it will not change anything. God bless you.

[rrobin 2]

Chavelle,

Were your friend's first marriage was wtih a US Citizen or a foreigner? Did she apply for GC through her first marriage too?

[pushbrk 12,907]

yes i agree with others , the consulate does not care about your past relationships or marriages. They care about now in the present make sure you have your divorce final with decree in your hand before filing any papers work with immigration. As long as it is a real relationship. Then your friend should not not be denied for past mariage.

It's reasonably safe to conclude a Consular officer won't make a big issue of having had an affair and illigitimate child with the foreign beneficiary but you can bet your britches they care about previous relationships for many other reasons. I don't see a worry here but your assertion bolded above is far to broad to be accurate.

yes i can understand what you are saying if there have been abuse or fraud in past relationships. thank you

Actually, the more common reason for concern is that the past relationship is currently ongoing and the petitioned relationship is a fraud. Past relationships, including what the parties know about their partner's past relationships often impact the evaluation of the bona fides of currently petitioned relationships.

Okay it seems like obtaining a Fiancé Visa with extramarital affair is not a problem. However, has anyone experienced any problem due to an extramarital affair in the AOS (adjustment of status) interview???? What I have read is that an extramarital affair that destroys an existing marriage is a 'crime involving moral turpitude' which may result in the denial at AOS. Any thoughts?

I agree with you a 100% . My friend's husband was denied of a visa due to the fact that they were involved in a relationship before the divorce.They tried everything to convince the c/o but it did not work. I am not gonna judge here but I personally think that it is wrong to get involved with a married man/woman.In a situation (mentioned by a previous poster) where they are separated,awaiting divorce is completely different.I told my friend that I was not sorry that her husband was denied.

Think about it.... who would want their husband/wife to meet someone else and end the marriage? ... none of us !!!! This is a SIN....THE BIBLE TELLS US SO!!!!

The moralizing aside, this sounds like "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" logic to me. Your friend was involved in a relationship before the divorce. Later, her husband was denied a visa. Fact number three, is that adultry isn't a grounds for denying a visa, at least in and of itself, no matter how wrong anybody thinks adultry is.

I supect the "due to" is incorrect and the real reason for denial is a combination of more complicated factors.

You are missing the whole point!!! I am not posting here based on what I have been told because I have seen the evidence for myself. You are the one that is being judgemental here. Maybe you don't have a problem with it, which is absolutely fine , as you are entitled to your opinion. However , you are giving here false hope because I have seen a few people in similar situation and were turned down. Adultery is grounds for denial!!! This marriage was clearly viable. Take a close look at the topic of the op posting.... did I see "affair while married"??? ... I believe so.

For your information my friend or her husband had no criminal background , she is a defence attorney so meeting the financial requirement was not an issue , her husband is a doctor and business man , she owns two houses , no overstays -nothing. Their only problem was having the affair which led to the breakdown of her previous marriage.

No point going any further with this conversation because it will not change anything. God bless you.

You've given no evidence to support your conclusion that because b followed a, b was "due to" a. Without understanding all the factors in the case, I cannot reliably conclude as you have. Your friend's husband got a notice from the Consulate stating the reason for the denial. I doubt it contained the word "adultery".

[chavelle 6]

Chavelle,

Were your friend's first marriage was wtih a US Citizen or a foreigner? Did she apply for GC through her first marriage too?

Hey , my friend was previously married to a foreigner. However , she did not have to apply for his green card because he was already a permanent resident. Her current hubby is also a foreigner. The co told him that she was suspicious and blah blah. They pleaded to her but it did not change anything.

good question though!!

[pushbrk 12,907]

Chavelle,

Were your friend's first marriage was wtih a US Citizen or a foreigner? Did she apply for GC through her first marriage too?

Hey , my friend was previously married to a foreigner. However , she did not have to apply for his green card because he was already a permanent resident. Her current hubby is also a foreigner. The co told him that she was suspicious and blah blah. They pleaded to her but it did not change anything.

good question though!!

The CO saying they were "suspicious" does not sound like a denial for adultery. How about presenting the actual facts you have and letting us draw our own conclusions?