Sarah Palin and the Two Americas

[GaryC 7]

I happen to be one that agrees that this should never be an issue in this campaign. The problem I have is that it will happen again, and again, and again. Don't ever say this is just Dems, it is from all that enjoy smear campaigns, both sides. If some Reps find something out about a relative of Obama's I can guarantee it will make the news as well.

And if it's about a child I will be right there to say it's wrong.

Any if, the children don't deserve it, whatever the parents may or may not merit.

So if Edwards uses a family tragedy as a way to score points then any retort is out of bounds?

[morocco4ever 63]

I happen to be one that agrees that this should never be an issue in this campaign. The problem I have is that it will happen again, and again, and again. Don't ever say this is just Dems, it is from all that enjoy smear campaigns, both sides. If some Reps find something out about a relative of Obama's I can guarantee it will make the news as well.

And if it's about a child I will be right there to say it's wrong.

As long as it follows certain rules. If they break said rules then all is game, correct?

[SteveLaura 0]

I happen to be one that agrees that this should never be an issue in this campaign. The problem I have is that it will happen again, and again, and again. Don't ever say this is just Dems, it is from all that enjoy smear campaigns, both sides. If some Reps find something out about a relative of Obama's I can guarantee it will make the news as well.

And if it's about a child I will be right there to say it's wrong.

Crass jokes included.

[HAL 9000 96]

Gary, that is certainly what you are saying. You are saying that under your rules children are not off limits if...

If what? The parents bring it up to gain sympathy? If they try to use them for political gain?

Or you can take the higher road and ignore it instead of pandering to the politics of filth.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

sarah palin just needs to get back under that glass ceiling so everyone dem will be happy.

Yes, because it's absolutely about the fact that she is a woman and nothing to do with her ideological position.

some sure are letting their true colors show.......

[Peikko 1,575]

Gary, that is certainly what you are saying. You are saying that under your rules children are not off limits if...

If what? The parents bring it up to gain sympathy? If they try to use them for political gain?

I happen to be one that agrees that this should never be an issue in this campaign. The problem I have is that it will happen again, and again, and again. Don't ever say this is just Dems, it is from all that enjoy smear campaigns, both sides. If some Reps find something out about a relative of Obama's I can guarantee it will make the news as well.

And if it's about a child I will be right there to say it's wrong.

Any if, the children don't deserve it, whatever the parents may or may not merit.

So if Edwards uses a family tragedy as a way to score points then any retort is out of bounds?

Any retort that directly effects the children, yes. The case against Edwards I know nothing about so I will not comment. However, it seems to me that Edwards has also become a scape goat and will be used as a means to express revulsion regardless. I consider that to be both in poor taste and quite frankly serves no political purpose. What it does is allow some people to feel morally superior by lauding it over his percieved flaws. Bravo folks.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

McCain reportedly told a "joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998, saying: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." The late columnist Molly Ivins reported of Limbaugh:

On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, 'Did you know there's a White House dog?' Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea -- which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.

Did anybody say because Chelsea was ugly that determines Clinton's policies or judgement? She's what 28 now and reporters still weren't allowed to question her when was she openly aiding her mother's campaign. She may as well be 12 again with the way the media treats the fragile thing.

the point that was being made is that the Republicans cross the line too when it comes to families...

So your trying to say that the dems are just as bad as the reps? That makes it all good then.

Can you not simply accept that the political landscape of this country is one which facilitates this sort of personal attack as legitimate dialog. Why must one side be worse than another? Does it somehow vindicate your support for them?

You can't bring yourself to say - this sort of thing is disgusting and I'm tired of it?

I mean... can you really not do that?

That is exactly what I want. I was facilitating my point by holding up a mirror. But I am making a point that a new line has been crossed with Ms Palins children. The Edwards thing isn't an example of "our side starting it" because Edwards brought it up in an attempt to garner sympathy. Ms Palin only brought it up to refute the rumor that her daughter is really the mother of her baby. In other words, she was countering a vile attack on her family.

Sympathy or no - does it enter into the realm of possibility that a guy discussing a family tragedy in might actually be sincere in his sentiments?

In any case who specifically in the Democrat party is making waves or publicly criticising Palin for her daughter's pregnancy? Has this actually been determined or simply assumed?

[GaryC 7]

Gary, that is certainly what you are saying. You are saying that under your rules children are not off limits if...

If what? The parents bring it up to gain sympathy? If they try to use them for political gain?

Or you can take the higher road and ignore it instead of pandering to the politics of filth.

Or I can condemn the parent for doing it. If Palin was saying, "hey look! my daughter is having a baby and because I am pro life she is keeping it" then any remark is fair game. Don't you see the difference?

[Peikko 1,575]

sarah palin just needs to get back under that glass ceiling so everyone dem will be happy.

Yes, because it's absolutely about the fact that she is a woman and nothing to do with her ideological position.

some sure are letting their true colors show.......

So, what true colours would those be Charles, hmm? Are you saying that you can't see any irony in what I posted, or any shallow and baiting nonsense in what you posted?

[joelunchbox 0]

What could come out of this is some honest to goodness policy concerning the unwed/unemployed. No names have to mentioned and no names should be mentioned. If everyone who had a baby had the Palin's resources, there would be no problems concerning young mothers but....

so, who is going to step up to the plate and address this issue?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I happen to be one that agrees that this should never be an issue in this campaign. The problem I have is that it will happen again, and again, and again. Don't ever say this is just Dems, it is from all that enjoy smear campaigns, both sides. If some Reps find something out about a relative of Obama's I can guarantee it will make the news as well.

And if it's about a child I will be right there to say it's wrong.

Any if, the children don't deserve it, whatever the parents may or may not merit.

So if Edwards uses a family tragedy as a way to score points then any retort is out of bounds?

I guess it depends on how you think how making that criticism actually makes you look.

When I see someone not bat an eye when confronted by a mother who has been through a huge personal trauma and who on camera appears completely unable to separate that tragedy from the politics associated with the father's career (I mean - not even one token "I'm sorry for your loss") - it comes across as grossly inhuman.

[HAL 9000 96]

Gary, that is certainly what you are saying. You are saying that under your rules children are not off limits if...

If what? The parents bring it up to gain sympathy? If they try to use them for political gain?

Or you can take the higher road and ignore it instead of pandering to the politics of filth.

Or I can condemn the parent for doing it. If Palin was saying, "hey look! my daughter is having a baby and because I am pro life she is keeping it" then any remark is fair game. Don't you see the difference?

Of course I do. Hence I am not part of the bash-Palin bandwagon you so ridiculously label as coming from the 'liberal media.' Now, do I criticize Palin's so-called experience and beliefs in relation to what is or isn't proportional to a united nation... there is where the game should be. But that does not benefit the McCain campaign and hence is more prone to not be discussed as often.

Or Democrats. Life and politics are many times a lot more complicated than what cover a particular book has any given week. You should know that having been an avid fan of the Operation Chaos that didn't quite work.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

What could come out of this is some honest to goodness policy concerning the unwed/unemployed. No names have to mentioned and no names should be mentioned. If everyone who had a baby had the Palin's resources, there would be no problems concerning young mothers but....

so, who is going to step up to the plate and address this issue?

And that is exactly how to position this issue if you are going to make her daughter's pregnancy an issue, if you are a Democrat.

Stealing the moral arguments from the right to condemn her is absolutely insane.

[alienlovechild 75]

Sympathy or no - does it enter into the realm of possibility that a guy discussing a family tragedy in might actually be sincere in his sentiments?

Not when your own running mate, Kerry, who is repulsed by you and wishing you weren't on the ticket. The point wasn't his son's tragic death but that he lied and said he had never told the story before about his dead son lying on a slab. He needed a story to gain the confidence of political allies. I understand politicians lie but using your own son's corpse to get the VP slot is a new low, well until the cheap shots on Palin got immediate national coverage.

Personally, I look forward to hearing her speak at the convention. She's going to get some huge ratings- thank you Daily Kos! We love you. My guess is her speech will be about her background and views and not some whitewashed Obama type "I'm really from Kansas" bio followed by a speech not even his supporters could recall a minute after his speech. Too busy watching the Red China inspired Beijing fireworks display.

Edited September 3, 2008 by alienlovechild

[GaryC 7]

Gary, that is certainly what you are saying. You are saying that under your rules children are not off limits if...

If what? The parents bring it up to gain sympathy? If they try to use them for political gain?

Or you can take the higher road and ignore it instead of pandering to the politics of filth.

Or I can condemn the parent for doing it. If Palin was saying, "hey look! my daughter is having a baby and because I am pro life she is keeping it" then any remark is fair game. Don't you see the difference?

Of course I do. Hence I am not part of the bash-Palin bandwagon you so ridiculously label as coming from the 'liberal media.' Now, do I criticize Palin's so-called experience and beliefs in relation to what is or isn't proportional to a united nation... there is where the game should be. But that does not benefit the McCain campaign and hence is more prone to not be discussed as often.

Or Democrats. Life and politics are many times a lot more complicated than what cover a particular book has any given week. You should know that having been an avid fan of the Operation Chaos that didn't quite work.

I never said anything about the "liberal media". I was retorting some of the Obama supporters in this forum. And yes I have noticed that you and a few others are not joining in on the bashing.