Sarah Palin and the Two Americas

[Peikko 1,575]

The real issue is a disingenuous Op-Ed article that makes out that the Democrats hold the monopoly on political smears.

Only a dunce would believe such guff.

A strange comment when you look at this board and see dozens of smear topics about Palin with hundreds of replies. Reps do attack and smear but the dems have taken it to a new low in regards to smearing children.

Well you would say that wouldn't you - because you've found a target of opportunity. The Dems must be worse - because of the media (and forum) response to the B-grade story of the week.

BTW - I remember those comments about the Coulter story very well - how you justified the unjustifiable comment she made about Edwards dead son.

The sad fact is that too many people have this sort of stuff on the brain and need to step back and start viewing people's personal tragedies in a human way and stop using them to make barbed and cynical political attacks.

Quite frankly its disgusting - and your #######-for-tat denial that the party you support is equally complicit in this sort of ####### going back decades is similarly unpleasant. Not to mention totally untruthful.

Good points.

[alienlovechild 75]

McCain reportedly told a "joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998, saying: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." The late columnist Molly Ivins reported of Limbaugh:

On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, 'Did you know there's a White House dog?' Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea -- which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.

Did anybody say because Chelsea was ugly that determines Clinton's policies or judgement? She's what 28 now and reporters still weren't allowed to question her when was she openly aiding her mother's campaign. She may as well be 12 again with the way the media treats the fragile thing.

[Marilyn. 340]

The real issue is a disingenuous Op-Ed article that makes out that the Democrats hold the monopoly on political smears.

Only a dunce would believe such guff.

A strange comment when you look at this board and see dozens of smear topics about Palin with hundreds of replies. Reps do attack and smear but the dems have taken it to a new low in regards to smearing children.

Well you would say that wouldn't you - because you've found a target of opportunity. The Dems must be worse - because of the media (and forum) response to the B-grade story of the week.

BTW - I remember those comments about the Coulter story very well - how you justified the unjustifiable comment she made about Edwards dead son.

The sad fact is that too many people have this sort of stuff on the brain and need to step back and start viewing people's personal tragedies in a human way and stop using them to make barbed and cynical political attacks.

Quite frankly its disgusting - and your #######-for-tat denial that the party you support is equally complicit in this sort of ####### going back decades is similarly unpleasant. Not to mention totally untruthful.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...;hl=ann+coulter

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The real issue is a disingenuous Op-Ed article that makes out that the Democrats hold the monopoly on political smears.

Only a dunce would believe such guff.

A strange comment when you look at this board and see dozens of smear topics about Palin with hundreds of replies. Reps do attack and smear but the dems have taken it to a new low in regards to smearing children.

Well you would say that wouldn't you - because you've found a target of opportunity. The Dems must be worse - because of the media (and forum) response to the B-grade story of the week.

BTW - I remember those comments about the Coulter story very well - how you justified the unjustifiable comment she made about Edwards dead son.

The sad fact is that too many people have this sort of stuff on the brain and need to step back and start viewing people's personal tragedies in a human way and stop using them to make barbed and cynical political attacks.

Quite frankly its disgusting - and your #######-for-tat denial that the party you support is equally complicit in this sort of ####### going back decades is similarly unpleasant. Not to mention totally untruthful.

I find it disturbing that you don't see that an important line has been crossed by the dems. The argument that it's been going on from both sides falls flat.

It falls flat because you chose to ignore what I said. That doesn't mean the argument itself has no merit.

Quite simply - you reap what you sow. And at this point it doesn't really matter who did what first - just that this entire line of conversation about people's personal lives is demeaning not just to the person subjected to the criticism but to the people making it as well.

It seems not enough people are tired of the old politics to disavow the same of ####### time and time again.

[GiGii 4]

Shamelessly stolen from Fark:

Dear Santa,

I've been really good this year. As an early Christmas present, could you make the first question presented to the VP candidates in their debate, "On this blank map of the world, please point to Afghanistan." Make both of them answer at roughly the same time. I realize that isn't really a debatable postulation, but it'd be fun to watch all the same.

Thanks!

Why do we assume she must be stupid?

Since she's been to Kuwait and has a son serving in Iraq I'm pretty sure she knows where Afghanistan is

Because she has a 17yr old knocked up daughter and she thinks every american family is cool with it. Maybe she needs to do some educating at home first, before she starts preaching to the rest of the nation of what she can do for us. Perhaps she has some items on her 'to-do' list at home that aren't taken care of.

My sister was pregant at 17 - is my mother stupid?

She lacked to teach your sister some items. Your mother is not running for the VP of the US either. With that type of status, you should have a solid background, and her's is closer to Britney's than to a real VPs.

And to Gary's "are you running scared" I'm running and laughing my a$ off with this nominee. I think its a joke.

Is that so now? How is it that my brother and I had exacly the same background and both were not teenaged parents and went on to get advanced college degrees and great jobs? Just like Sarah Palin also raised a son who is serving our country in Iraq. Do you know how condescending and sexist your remarks sound?

My comments were to be condescending. They are not sexist. I dont care what you or your brother, or your neighbor ended up doing in life. I dont care about your sister either. 17yr old pregnancies are wrong. A VP should be a role model, as a leader, as a woman, as a mother. Not teaching your kid and setting them up for a hard life is a failure as a parent. Certainly not VP material. So get up off your high horse, this is not about your or your family.

That's really uncalled for. Robin is making a point that what a 17 does or doesn't do isn't necessarily a reflection of the minor's parents. Anyone who's been a teenager or has one knows that to be true. Secondly, it's got nothing to do with Sarah Palin's ability to lead this country, whether you agree with her politics or not. Harping on this issue as Robin keeps pointing is only drawing more sympathy for Palin as a mother and woman trying to make it in a man's world.

It's nice to see that you get it Steven. Others here should follow your lead.

Sure it does have something to do with the issue. She can't manage her own house well, how is she going to do that with a country? Not a mans world issue, this is an issue if you have kids. 17yr old pregnancies are not looked upon favorably, hence she knew what she'd face.

She is not experienced in anything, most certainly not enough to run a country should the need arise. She's been selected so all the eyes are on her for a while instead of McCain and his lack of change. Maybe he's out counting the number of houses he has.

And here will probably come Gary's question, "what about Obama's experience?"

[Marilyn. 340]

McCain reportedly told a "joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998, saying: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." The late columnist Molly Ivins reported of Limbaugh:

On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, 'Did you know there's a White House dog?' Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea -- which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.

Did anybody say because Chelsea was ugly that determines Clinton's policies or judgement? She's what 28 now and reporters still weren't allowed to question her when was she openly aiding her mother's campaign. She may as well be 12 again with the way the media treats the fragile thing.

the point that was being made is that the Republicans cross the line too when it comes to families...

[Peikko 1,575]

sarah palin just needs to get back under that glass ceiling so everyone dem will be happy.

Yes, because it's absolutely about the fact that she is a woman and nothing to do with her ideological position.

[GaryC 7]

McCain reportedly told a "joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998, saying: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." The late columnist Molly Ivins reported of Limbaugh:

On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, 'Did you know there's a White House dog?' Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea -- which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.

Did anybody say because Chelsea was ugly that determines Clinton's policies or judgement? She's what 28 now and reporters still weren't allowed to question her when was she openly aiding her mother's campaign. She may as well be 12 again with the way the media treats the fragile thing.

the point that was being made is that the Republicans cross the line too when it comes to families...

So your trying to say that the dems are just as bad as the reps? That makes it all good then.

[Marilyn. 340]

McCain reportedly told a "joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998, saying: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." The late columnist Molly Ivins reported of Limbaugh:

On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, 'Did you know there's a White House dog?' Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea -- which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.

Did anybody say because Chelsea was ugly that determines Clinton's policies or judgement? She's what 28 now and reporters still weren't allowed to question her when was she openly aiding her mother's campaign. She may as well be 12 again with the way the media treats the fragile thing.

the point that was being made is that the Republicans cross the line too when it comes to families...

So your trying to say that the dems are just as bad as the reps? That makes it all good then.

I am getting dizzy talking with you.. you keep going in circles...

[morocco4ever 63]

McCain reportedly told a "joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998, saying: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." The late columnist Molly Ivins reported of Limbaugh:

On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, 'Did you know there's a White House dog?' Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea -- which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.

Did anybody say because Chelsea was ugly that determines Clinton's policies or judgement? She's what 28 now and reporters still weren't allowed to question her when was she openly aiding her mother's campaign. She may as well be 12 again with the way the media treats the fragile thing.

the point that was being made is that the Republicans cross the line too when it comes to families...

So your trying to say that the dems are just as bad as the reps? That makes it all good then.

Neener neener...

I am getting dizzy talking with you.. you keep going in circles...

[GaryC 7]

McCain reportedly told a "joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998, saying: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." The late columnist Molly Ivins reported of Limbaugh:

On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, 'Did you know there's a White House dog?' Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea -- which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.

Did anybody say because Chelsea was ugly that determines Clinton's policies or judgement? She's what 28 now and reporters still weren't allowed to question her when was she openly aiding her mother's campaign. She may as well be 12 again with the way the media treats the fragile thing.

the point that was being made is that the Republicans cross the line too when it comes to families...

So your trying to say that the dems are just as bad as the reps? That makes it all good then.

I am getting dizzy talking with you.. you keep going in circles...

I am just following where you lead.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...;hl=ann+coulter

That's the one. The responses are interesting - not least because all of the comments agreeing with Coulter totally ignored the fact that for all the political disagreements the Edwards' actually lost a child (something that many people can't even imagine).

Its very ugly to see politics trump basic humanity that way.

[Marilyn. 340]

My point is that no side is as perfect as they are trying to convince us that they are...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

McCain reportedly told a "joke" about Chelsea Clinton in 1998, saying: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." The late columnist Molly Ivins reported of Limbaugh:

On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, 'Did you know there's a White House dog?' Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.

When viewers objected, he claimed, in typical Limbaugh fashion, that the gag was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea -- which I found as disgusting as his original attempt at humor.

Did anybody say because Chelsea was ugly that determines Clinton's policies or judgement? She's what 28 now and reporters still weren't allowed to question her when was she openly aiding her mother's campaign. She may as well be 12 again with the way the media treats the fragile thing.

the point that was being made is that the Republicans cross the line too when it comes to families...

So your trying to say that the dems are just as bad as the reps? That makes it all good then.

Can you not simply accept that the political landscape of this country is one which facilitates this sort of personal attack as legitimate dialog. Why must one side be worse than another? Does it somehow vindicate your support for them?

You can't bring yourself to say - this sort of thing is disgusting and I'm tired of it?

I mean... can you really not do that?

[Marilyn. 340]

you asked for proof so we gave it to you and then you just turn around and say "So your trying to say that the dems are just as bad as the reps? so its all good then..."

where in the heck did I say it was all good??... I just want both sides to see that they are in the wrong...