Do you agree with GOP's nativist immigration policies

[symbiosis 0]

I'm curious, as this forum seems to have a lot of ultra-conservatives. Considering that we're all her because we have a significant other from abroad, I find the contradiction slightly baffling.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

"Nativist"? Some of the problems of dealing with USCIS are the result of Reagan's (last I checked, GOP) "scamnesty" of 3 million illegal aliens.

Dems pro-immigration? they had eight years when they could have modified the system, but didn't even bother to admit that the system needs fixing.

[peejay 327]

I'm curious, as this forum seems to have a lot of ultra-conservatives. Considering that we're all her because we have a significant other from abroad, I find the contradiction slightly baffling.

The small amount of Americans that marry foreigners and bring them here has a very little impact on our country's population.

However, mass legal and illegal immigration is set to push our country's population to to 400 million+ by 2050. This trend is not inevitable and is imposed on the American people by unsustainable legal immigration levels set by congress and by failure to enforce laws against illegal immigration.

Consider that the US population was 203 million in 1970, is 305 million in today, and was projected recently by the US Census Bureau to hit 420 million by 2050 if these present trends continue unabated. This is not sustainable or desirable for a multitude of reasons.

What the third world does to itself through birthrates, we do through overimmigration policies. Immigration policy is the sole major contributor to this huge and rapid population increase in the USA.

The USA slammed the door to mass immigration in the 1920's and the USA was a low immigration country until 1970. The Immigration Act of 1965 is what set us on our present unsustainable path even though the framers of that law said it would not do what it has obviously eventually done. I think more than doubling the US population in an 80 year timespan (1970 - 2050) to 420 million through excessive immigration is not desirable. This is not a question of "might" happen, but a fact that it "will" happen if we don't stop this trend through real immigration policy reform.

This is hardly being nativist to bring these obvious facts to light. It would be irresponsible and downright ignorant to ignore them.

http://www.susps.org/overview/numbers.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read....C-6071D194CE83}

http://www.cis.org/articles/1995/back395.html

[symbiosis 0]

Well, it's not all immigration -- we now have a VP candidate with 5 kids!

[Fedup 0]

I'm curious, as this forum seems to have a lot of ultra-conservatives. Considering that we're all her because we have a significant other from abroad, I find the contradiction slightly baffling.

Ultra-conservatives are extremely well organized and very active, and I guess do not desire to spend much time with their significant others. That's why you see this disparity.

Also, it depends on the reason why one has a significant other from abroad, therefore why this person is here. Some just can't get anyone in the US.

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

I'm curious, as this forum seems to have a lot of ultra-conservatives. Considering that we're all her because we have a significant other from abroad, I find the contradiction slightly baffling.

a lot of ultra conservatives? you must be new here. wait until the next anti-illegal thread and you'll see how small a number there are.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

I'm curious, as this forum seems to have a lot of ultra-conservatives. Considering that we're all her because we have a significant other from abroad, I find the contradiction slightly baffling.

a lot of ultra conservatives? you must be new here. wait until the next anti-illegal thread and you'll see how small a number there are.

definitions of "a lot" as per symbiosis:

• conservatives; 1
• liberals; 10,000,000 minimum

[MichelleN 0]

I actually consider myself quite liberal in just about every topic except immigration. The current flow of illegal immigrants into this country just disgusts me. And the fact that people are defending their 'right' to be here is just beyond me. The state of Oregon had to close it's state health program (Medicaid) to everyone but pregnant women and children because of the VAST number of illegal immigrants inundating the system and draining the resources. I managed to keep mine because I was allowed to continue coverage after I had my daughter. And every time I go to the clinic for whatever reason, I'm about the only non-latino there. Not a problem except for the fact that I assume that most of them aren't here legally. On the application for the health care, it states that US Citizens HAVE to provide proof of such (like a birth certificate) but if you're not a citizen, you're exempt from this requirement. What? That's just ridiculous.

And I don't know if it's still in effect or if it was just the specific college I attended in California, but children of illegal immigrants were given free tuition. But I had to pay. That torked me off to no end. Don't reward people who come here illegally. Don't cater to them by publishing everything in Spanish, even in grocery stores. Don't give them free handouts like free tuition for their children and free health care. That's what makes me more angry than anything. And it seems I ranted a little, so I apologize.

[HAL 9000 96]

Well, it's not all immigration -- we now have a VP candidate with 5 kids!

Pretty interesting take in my opinion. As long as its us doing the "natural resource overconsuming," its apparently OK for some to look the other way when using a universal argument that applies to every single human on this planet.

I'm curious, as this forum seems to have a lot of ultra-conservatives. Considering that we're all her because we have a significant other from abroad, I find the contradiction slightly baffling.

a lot of ultra conservatives? you must be new here. wait until the next anti-illegal thread and you'll see how small a number there are.

I'm with Charles on this one. Its just a small community of VERY vocal, obsessive folks (well, counted with a one-fingered hand).

[symbiosis 0]

And I don't know if it's still in effect or if it was just the specific college I attended in California, but children of illegal immigrants were given free tuition.

Which college? Can you point me to something on this?

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Ultra-conservatives are extremely well organized and very active, and I guess do not desire to spend much time with their significant others.

I'm no conservative, but that's just silly.

[HAL 9000 96]

And I don't know if it's still in effect or if it was just the specific college I attended in California, but children of illegal immigrants were given free tuition.

Which college? Can you point me to something on this?

That would most likely fall under economic status, not immigration status. That is unfortunately restating fact to fit a particular viewpoint.

[GaryC 7]

Is it just me or does anyone else find the OP stereotyping offensive?

[HAL 9000 96]

Is it just me or does anyone else find the OP stereotyping offensive?

I wouldn't classify it as offensive... perhaps a bit stereotyped...

[MichelleN 0]

And I don't know if it's still in effect or if it was just the specific college I attended in California, but children of illegal immigrants were given free tuition.

Which college? Can you point me to something on this?

It was over 10 years ago but it was the Solano Community College in Fairfield, CA. Like I said, they might not even do that anymore. I looked into it a bit and it seems right now, California is one of several states that give illegal immigrants automatic 'resident' status when determining their college tuition rates. I found this article on a lawsuit against the practice: http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/trial-pro...10552221-1.html

US residents from out of state still must pay the out of state fee but not illegal immigrants.

This thread also illustrates an attempt in the works to try and allow illegal immigrants access to grants and fee waivers in California:

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/10/13..._2310_12_07.txt

"Approved by the Legislature last month, the bill applies to financially needy illegal immigrant students. It would make them eligible for state grants or community college fee waivers if they graduate from California high schools after attending for at least three years."

So it may be that the option for a fee waiver based on immigration status has been changed or perhaps even I was mistaken in my memory. Either way, I still feel they're getting more benefits than are necessary.