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[Beauty for Ashes 257]

I guess I'm really sounding like a Republican, huh?

Either that, or you are tired of people who abuse the system. Can't say I blame you on that one.

she paid taxes for over 20 years and has done the right thing.. there is nothing wrong with her jumping at what may be her last chance to have a baby

Jenn, you live in Massachusettes. Your state is one of the most welfare productive and welfare states there is with all kinds of benefits. We dont even have welfare that pays anything in Florida. The only thing you can take advantage of around here if you have a job is medicaid. Its almost impossible to qualify for much else

I would hate to see patti not have a baby due to other peoples self rightous advice. I live in the USA yet I have none of the chances to get even 10 percent of the things that people in Mass get.

I also worked until the weekend I delivered. There is no system thats worth a damn to abuse here in Florida. California and Mass may be fun to get social services in ,,but Florida is a right to work state with very little unions and no good health care system and no housing assistance worth a damn like Cali and Mass.

Telling a 41 year old that some how after paying taxes for 20 years not to take advantage of things she paid into the system for is simply bunk

Muaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

I know I will get a ration of ####### for suggesting that you seize this opportunity and have a baby but you may not have another chance to ever have another one ... and who knows? Things might work out between you two and you didnt waste any time ensuring you at least got a kid out of the deal

I don't want to disappoint you, so I thought I'd be the one to ration the #######.

I do understand the idea that you have to seize your opportunity before it slips away, but isn't having a child that you know you can not support extremely irresponsible?

Is it irresponsible for me to want children even if the pregnancy would probably be hi-risk?

I also don't make enough with my income to pay rent and bills. My husband also just quite his job to start a new buisness.... all of this makes us unqualified to be parents i guess - but it doesn't stop me from wanting it very badly. I'm trying to wait for a good time, but really, where is that magical line that makes you financially ready to have a child? When is a good time? The longer you wait at her age the more risky it is.

If you were unsure you would ever have another chance, would you really give that up?

Wahriana was high risk and has shaky financial status and I have every confidence she will find a way to make it work. There are programs and ways to make it work. Its not only the fincially stable or wealthy having children in this country, and it's hard but they make it work.

I would be undeniably sad and heart-broken if I was told I shouldn't have children. Every person is different, and if she thinks she can make it work, well, that's her deal and she should do what she thinks is best.

But the programs you refer to are funded (among others) by people like me who have made a conscious choice to wait until we are more stable financially to have children. I don't think people should say, "Oh well, even though I don't have enough money to support a child, I can get government benefits, so we'll be alright." It's one thing to cut back and whatnot as necessary to "make it work", but to willingly conceive using government benefits as a safety net is just not right, IMO.

I guess I'm really sounding like a Republican, huh?

I agree on that point. I just don't want her to give up on having children bc of age. There is a difference between say "oh well, the government will help out" and "This could be my last chance, should I take it?".

But hey, that's just the romantic in me coming out

You and I live in Florida. They cant possibly know just how little you actually get if you get govt benefits. Zero. You might get medicaid but Florida is a low wage paying right to work state and even pregnancy medicaid is very limited in scope. Mass gives absolutely everything free from some health care to subsidised housing.... they even force insurers to pay for infertility treatment. Florida doesnt really have a welfare system to speak of. You can get WIC which is lower priced formula and milk and medicaid that has an end date. Its not like you can live off the fat of the land in Florida like Mass

And no amount of money could make me EVER be REPUBLICAN

Even indignation over what I perceived as someone being a welfare sleaze...which you can be up North but not around here. It doesnt pay to be out of a job here... Youll hit the streets really fast

[Staashi 371]

I know I will get a ration of ####### for suggesting that you seize this opportunity and have a baby but you may not have another chance to ever have another one ... and who knows? Things might work out between you two and you didnt waste any time ensuring you at least got a kid out of the deal

I don't want to disappoint you, so I thought I'd be the one to ration the #######.

I do understand the idea that you have to seize your opportunity before it slips away, but isn't having a child that you know you can not support extremely irresponsible?

Is it irresponsible for me to want children even if the pregnancy would probably be hi-risk?

I also don't make enough with my income to pay rent and bills. My husband also just quite his job to start a new buisness.... all of this makes us unqualified to be parents i guess - but it doesn't stop me from wanting it very badly. I'm trying to wait for a good time, but really, where is that magical line that makes you financially ready to have a child? When is a good time? The longer you wait at her age the more risky it is.

If you were unsure you would ever have another chance, would you really give that up?

Wahriana was high risk and has shaky financial status and I have every confidence she will find a way to make it work. There are programs and ways to make it work. Its not only the fincially stable or wealthy having children in this country, and it's hard but they make it work.

I would be undeniably sad and heart-broken if I was told I shouldn't have children. Every person is different, and if she thinks she can make it work, well, that's her deal and she should do what she thinks is best.

But the programs you refer to are funded (among others) by people like me who have made a conscious choice to wait until we are more stable financially to have children. I don't think people should say, "Oh well, even though I don't have enough money to support a child, I can get government benefits, so we'll be alright." It's one thing to cut back and whatnot as necessary to "make it work", but to willingly conceive using government benefits as a safety net is just not right, IMO.

I guess I'm really sounding like a Republican, huh?

I agree on that point. I just don't want her to give up on having children bc of age. There is a difference between say "oh well, the government will help out" and "This could be my last chance, should I take it?".

But hey, that's just the romantic in me coming out

You and I live in Florida. They cant possibly know just how little you actually get if you get govt benefits. Zero. You might get medicaid but Florida is a low wage paying right to work state and even pregnancy medicaid is very limited in scope. Mass gives absolutely everything free from some health care to subsidised housing.... they even force insurers to pay for infertility treatment. Florida doesnt really have a welfare system to speak of. You can get WIC which is lower priced formula and milk and medicaid that has an end date. Its not like you can live off the fat of the land in Florida like Mass

And no amount of money could make me EVER be REPUBLICAN

Even indignation over what I perceived as someone being a welfare sleaze...which you can be up North but not around here. It doesnt pay to be out of a job here... Youll hit the streets really fast

So true, Kat - so true. Here you'll get nothing...even if you have to collect unemployment - you're only eligible for $275 a week. Which is a pittance when you were making $4000 a month. It is very tough in Florida. So for someone who lives in a state where benefits are doled out like a prime rib buffet, as compared to a platter of beans - no franks - I can imagine that you'd have a strong opinion on pregnancy. That is what Florida is like.

Actually, if it was up to me - I wish that this country would allow you to have two children - anything beyond that you'll have to pay taxes on them...so, instead of getting your kids as deductions you will have to pay. I think that's fair. Why should everyone else suffer because you burden the system...you shouldn't have a free pass.

Edited September 8, 2008 by Staashi

[morocco4ever 63]

I guess I'm really sounding like a Republican, huh?

Either that, or you are tired of people who abuse the system. Can't say I blame you on that one.

she paid taxes for over 20 years and has done the right thing.. there is nothing wrong with her jumping at what may be her last chance to have a baby

Jenn, you live in Massachusettes. Your state is one of the most welfare productive and welfare states there is with all kinds of benefits. We dont even have welfare that pays anything in Florida. The only thing you can take advantage of around here if you have a job is medicaid. Its almost impossible to qualify for much else

I would hate to see patti not have a baby due to other peoples self rightous advice. I live in the USA yet I have none of the chances to get even 10 percent of the things that people in Mass get.

I also worked until the weekend I delivered. There is no system thats worth a damn to abuse here in Florida. California and Mass may be fun to get social services in ,,but Florida is a right to work state with very little unions and no good health care system and no housing assistance worth a damn like Cali and Mass.

Telling a 41 year old that some how after paying taxes for 20 years not to take advantage of things she paid into the system for is simply bunk

Muaaaaaaaaaaaah

To me, the fact that the system doesn't help near enough is a good reason to really think twice about having a baby when you don't have the resources. What kind of life does that give a child? To be labeled a "welfare child"? Is that really fair to the child? And don't get me wrong, if you have worked hard and need to use the system, well that is what it is there for. The ones that ruffle my feathers are the one that abuse it. Trust me, there are plenty of people out there that know all of the loopholes to get what they can. I think all of us have a right to be angry about that, these people are taking the food out of the mouths of those that are truly in need.

[Staashi 371]

I guess I'm really sounding like a Republican, huh?

Either that, or you are tired of people who abuse the system. Can't say I blame you on that one.

she paid taxes for over 20 years and has done the right thing.. there is nothing wrong with her jumping at what may be her last chance to have a baby

Jenn, you live in Massachusettes. Your state is one of the most welfare productive and welfare states there is with all kinds of benefits. We dont even have welfare that pays anything in Florida. The only thing you can take advantage of around here if you have a job is medicaid. Its almost impossible to qualify for much else

I would hate to see patti not have a baby due to other peoples self rightous advice. I live in the USA yet I have none of the chances to get even 10 percent of the things that people in Mass get.

I also worked until the weekend I delivered. There is no system thats worth a damn to abuse here in Florida. California and Mass may be fun to get social services in ,,but Florida is a right to work state with very little unions and no good health care system and no housing assistance worth a damn like Cali and Mass.

Telling a 41 year old that some how after paying taxes for 20 years not to take advantage of things she paid into the system for is simply bunk

Muaaaaaaaaaaaah

To me, the fact that the system doesn't help near enough is a good reason to really think twice about having a baby when you don't have the resources. What kind of life does that give a child? To be labeled a "welfare child"? Is that really fair to the child? And don't get me wrong, if you have worked hard and need to use the system, well that is what it is there for. The ones that ruffle my feathers are the one that abuse it. Trust me, there are plenty of people out there that know all of the loopholes to get what they can. I think all of us have a right to be angry about that, these people are taking the food out of the mouths of those that are truly in need.

I think that's a great point M4E - I don't mind if you have 1 baby where you might need some help. But when people have 4 or more on welfare that's not cool.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

I guess I'm really sounding like a Republican, huh?

Either that, or you are tired of people who abuse the system. Can't say I blame you on that one.

she paid taxes for over 20 years and has done the right thing.. there is nothing wrong with her jumping at what may be her last chance to have a baby

Jenn, you live in Massachusettes. Your state is one of the most welfare productive and welfare states there is with all kinds of benefits. We dont even have welfare that pays anything in Florida. The only thing you can take advantage of around here if you have a job is medicaid. Its almost impossible to qualify for much else

I would hate to see patti not have a baby due to other peoples self rightous advice. I live in the USA yet I have none of the chances to get even 10 percent of the things that people in Mass get.

I also worked until the weekend I delivered. There is no system thats worth a damn to abuse here in Florida. California and Mass may be fun to get social services in ,,but Florida is a right to work state with very little unions and no good health care system and no housing assistance worth a damn like Cali and Mass.

Telling a 41 year old that some how after paying taxes for 20 years not to take advantage of things she paid into the system for is simply bunk

Muaaaaaaaaaaaah

To me, the fact that the system doesn't help near enough is a good reason to really think twice about having a baby when you don't have the resources. What kind of life does that give a child? To be labeled a "welfare child"? Is that really fair to the child? And don't get me wrong, if you have worked hard and need to use the system, well that is what it is there for. The ones that ruffle my feathers are the one that abuse it. Trust me, there are plenty of people out there that know all of the loopholes to get what they can. I think all of us have a right to be angry about that, these people are taking the food out of the mouths of those that are truly in need.

Isnt it interesting how this is not even an issue in countries that are very developed like Sweden and Canada where everyone is afforded healthcare and children are valued and supported by society? I have never ever received cash assistance but I will tell you, welfare is NOT what it used to be anyway. You can only be on it a total of 3 years your entire life, the only daycare assistance you can get is if you collect cash assistance so that wipes out most working moms. Medicaid ( which is medical help) is extremely limited as well. In Mass and Cali, its very generous. But in Florida NOT SO.

Telling people they can have children based on whether they have money is called EUGENICS. I know lots of people who s parents are dirt poor,some even receiving govt help, who s children are amazing human beings and some people who have plenty of money to have kids who s children are spoiled entitled monsters. Welfare will not pay all your bills. You can get food stamps only if you truly dont have money in the bank and cash assistance is extremely limited. Gone are the days that people have a ton of kids for money because for example in my state, you have to work. They will help you with daycare but if you arent working , no one will help you. People who have never received assistance in one way or another often have a very distorted view of it. Personally, I made 75000 dollars a year 6 years ago but my job was cut and I personally have never received cash or housing assistance but I have used medical help and WIC which helps with milk. You cant stay on it forever and neither is there some other alternative as we are NOT MASS OR CALI and down here, you have very few options if you get sick. Half the reason I almost died in January is that I did not get the preventative help I needed with my asthma to keep it under control due to the fact my job doesnt offer insurance. I ended up almost dying due to my asthma. My pregnancy has been a hard road and by no means have I lived the welfare lifestyle. I think its because I have been through both sides,both having money and not having any money and then working with people with very little money and helping them that I have incredible empathy for them. The Republican party has leaders that dont know how many houses they even own and they dont know what its like to not have. Whats ridiculous to me is the insinuation that having money entitles you some how to have kids. Having children in this country is a right not something you BUY and yes I dont think people should irresponsibly have children but this so called welfare system that you are throwing up does not exist. You cant LIVE off the system here because there is no system to live off of. But I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with benefitting somewhat from something that I have paid and continue to pay taxes into that helps my life. I also dont see anything wrong with showing someone else who doesnt have health insurance through no fault of their own and wants to have a baby, how to do that. I have been on both sides of the ship.. money and no money and frankly I have known people who had tons of money who are awful awful people and parents and I have known single working moms who sometimes had food stamps and other things who raised amazing kids who turned into amazing adults.

I believe that the purpose of public assistance is to level the playing field for poor people to help them have the same shots in life. I also dont have any problem with my taxes funding free or reduced lunches and free health care for these children either > It takes all classes of people to run a society and I do not believe in EUGENICS based on financial security

[Ban Hammer 13,501]

I guess I'm really sounding like a Republican, huh?

Either that, or you are tired of people who abuse the system. Can't say I blame you on that one.

see what happens when you become a mod? you turn republican!

I guess I had better not ever become a mod.

maybe it's all part of ewok's master plan.

[Jenn! 918]

Well, I don't think that people in Massachusetts should be abusing the system either, so I don't see how that's really relevant. And if there's no government benefits to be a had in a certain area, the whole discussion is moot.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't see how thinking that one should be able to support a baby before having one is self-righteous or how it suggests eugenics. I'm not advocating everyone being rich before planning to have children - just able to make do without relying on assistance. There are lots of things my taxes pay for that I feel entitled to, I just don't think that public assistance is meant to work that way.

[morocco4ever 63]

I guess I'm really sounding like a Republican, huh?

Either that, or you are tired of people who abuse the system. Can't say I blame you on that one.

she paid taxes for over 20 years and has done the right thing.. there is nothing wrong with her jumping at what may be her last chance to have a baby

Jenn, you live in Massachusettes. Your state is one of the most welfare productive and welfare states there is with all kinds of benefits. We dont even have welfare that pays anything in Florida. The only thing you can take advantage of around here if you have a job is medicaid. Its almost impossible to qualify for much else

I would hate to see patti not have a baby due to other peoples self rightous advice. I live in the USA yet I have none of the chances to get even 10 percent of the things that people in Mass get.

I also worked until the weekend I delivered. There is no system thats worth a damn to abuse here in Florida. California and Mass may be fun to get social services in ,,but Florida is a right to work state with very little unions and no good health care system and no housing assistance worth a damn like Cali and Mass.

Telling a 41 year old that some how after paying taxes for 20 years not to take advantage of things she paid into the system for is simply bunk

Muaaaaaaaaaaaah

To me, the fact that the system doesn't help near enough is a good reason to really think twice about having a baby when you don't have the resources. What kind of life does that give a child? To be labeled a "welfare child"? Is that really fair to the child? And don't get me wrong, if you have worked hard and need to use the system, well that is what it is there for. The ones that ruffle my feathers are the one that abuse it. Trust me, there are plenty of people out there that know all of the loopholes to get what they can. I think all of us have a right to be angry about that, these people are taking the food out of the mouths of those that are truly in need.

Isnt it interesting how this is not even an issue in countries that are very developed like Sweden and Canada where everyone is afforded healthcare and children are valued and supported by society? I have never ever received cash assistance but I will tell you, welfare is NOT what it used to be anyway. You can only be on it a total of 3 years your entire life, the only daycare assistance you can get is if you collect cash assistance so that wipes out most working moms. Medicaid ( which is medical help) is extremely limited as well. In Mass and Cali, its very generous. But in Florida NOT SO.

Telling people they can have children based on whether they have money is called EUGENICS. I know lots of people who s parents are dirt poor,some even receiving govt help, who s children are amazing human beings and some people who have plenty of money to have kids who s children are spoiled entitled monsters. Welfare will not pay all your bills. You can get food stamps only if you truly dont have money in the bank and cash assistance is extremely limited. Gone are the days that people have a ton of kids for money because for example in my state, you have to work. They will help you with daycare but if you arent working , no one will help you. People who have never received assistance in one way or another often have a very distorted view of it. Personally, I made 75000 dollars a year 6 years ago but my job was cut and I personally have never received cash or housing assistance but I have used medical help and WIC which helps with milk. You cant stay on it forever and neither is there some other alternative as we are NOT MASS OR CALI and down here, you have very few options if you get sick. Half the reason I almost died in January is that I did not get the preventative help I needed with my asthma to keep it under control due to the fact my job doesnt offer insurance. I ended up almost dying due to my asthma. My pregnancy has been a hard road and by no means have I lived the welfare lifestyle. I think its because I have been through both sides,both having money and not having any money and then working with people with very little money and helping them that I have incredible empathy for them. The Republican party has leaders that dont know how many houses they even own and they dont know what its like to not have. Whats ridiculous to me is the insinuation that having money entitles you some how to have kids. Having children in this country is a right not something you BUY and yes I dont think people should irresponsibly have children but this so called welfare system that you are throwing up does not exist. You cant LIVE off the system here because there is no system to live off of. But I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with benefitting somewhat from something that I have paid and continue to pay taxes into that helps my life. I also dont see anything wrong with showing someone else who doesnt have health insurance through no fault of their own and wants to have a baby, how to do that. I have been on both sides of the ship.. money and no money and frankly I have known people who had tons of money who are awful awful people and parents and I have known single working moms who sometimes had food stamps and other things who raised amazing kids who turned into amazing adults.

I believe that the purpose of public assistance is to level the playing field for poor people to help them have the same shots in life. I also dont have any problem with my taxes funding free or reduced lunches and free health care for these children either > It takes all classes of people to run a society and I do not believe in EUGENICS based on financial security

I certainly understand what you are saying Kat, but you weren't really reading what I said. I believe that the system should be in place. I stated that it needs to be there to assist people in need. I stated that it bothers me that there are people, and yes there ARE people that abuse the system, they don't care that they are taking assistance when someone who truly needs it more is denied. I know of a man that has several children with several women. He somehow managed to get on food stamps, even though not one of those children lived with him, and he lived with a woman that was paying all of his bills and buying everything for him while all the time he was out impregnating these women.

They cut down on the welfare system. Why? Because the need is too great, and the government doesn't want to float the boat. So now we have limited welfare for everyone, even the ones that are not really in need. Doesn't that make you angry? There are people who need assistance longer than 2 or 3 years, but they can't get it. Why? Because of abuse of the system. And what makes me angry is that rather than spend the money to investigate fraud, which would in turn reduce the size of the needed budget, they instead lowered everyones benefits.

Not only that, do you know that the government will hide benefits from you? If you don't ask the right questions they will not offer those benefits. If this seems okay to you then maybe you should find out what benefits they are hiding. Schooling. They (at least in the past) actually have the resources to assist people to get an education so they could dig themselves out of this lifestyle. But instead they hide it from you. I had a friend that worked at the office and this is what she was instructed to do. So rather than assist these people to get out of this lifestyle they keep them in it. This infuriates me.

Kat, don't think you are the only person that has been on both sides of the fence, because you aren't. All I see is the government assisting those whose intentions are to abuse the system, while holding down the ones in true need. I am certainly not saying that a woman should never have children. I am saying to set out a plan to get herself into a situation where she can afford that child. And if that means getting assistance from the state to get an education, and the support necessary while they are doing it then I am all for it. My problem isn't with people with sincere intentions.

[morocco4ever 63]

I guess I'm really sounding like a Republican, huh?

Either that, or you are tired of people who abuse the system. Can't say I blame you on that one.

see what happens when you become a mod? you turn republican!

I guess I had better not ever become a mod.

maybe it's all part of ewok's master plan.

You have all fallen into a trap now haven't you. That is the only explanation.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Well, I don't think that people in Massachusetts should be abusing the system either, so I don't see how that's really relevant. And if there's no government benefits to be a had in a certain area, the whole discussion is moot.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't see how thinking that one should be able to support a baby before having one is self-righteous or how it suggests eugenics. I'm not advocating everyone being rich before planning to have children - just able to make do without relying on assistance. There are lots of things my taxes pay for that I feel entitled to, I just don't think that public assistance is meant to work that way.

I don't mind if my taxes give a child medical care or free schooling or help someone less fortunate. Most of the people who bash public assistance are people who have never really needed it or seen the effects when someone who truly needs it doesnt get lt. I think that telling people they can only have kids when they can afford them smells of Eugenics frankly.If a poor person, wants to , as an American citizen , have a child and is trying to better themselves, I cant in good conscience tell them that they have no right to have a child

[Jenn! 918]

I'm really not bashing public assistance - and I do have personal experience with it as well, so I wouldn't assume anything. I just think there's a difference between falling upon bad times and knowingly incurring an additional expense that would force you to rely upon it.

[Ban Hammer 13,501]

I guess I'm really sounding like a Republican, huh?

Either that, or you are tired of people who abuse the system. Can't say I blame you on that one.

see what happens when you become a mod? you turn republican!

I guess I had better not ever become a mod.

maybe it's all part of ewok's master plan.

You have all fallen into a trap now haven't you. That is the only explanation.

soon, you will be looking for a gwb bumper sticker.

[Imua 0]

Wow what a can of worms I have unwittingly opened.... I have played by the rules my whole life, stayed in school until I was 25, got two master's, one from an Ivy League school... yet because I majored in the wrong subjects and didn't attract the rich men I am in this situation, childless at 41. I have paid into the system since I got my first P/T job at 18. I dread the thought of receiving benefits, was raised with pride yet I would say I deserve them more than the immigrant mom downstairs with 5 kids living in a 1br apartment(I am serious). Expenses here are simply too much when you are working an 'educated pink collar' job as is the prospect of moving to a different area when I don't drive. I need to go to sleep since I need to get up at 4:30 to got to work to pay for my neighbor's benefits....

Edited September 9, 2008 by Pattu Rani

[Y's_habibitk 2]

I guess I'm really sounding like a Republican, huh?

Either that, or you are tired of people who abuse the system. Can't say I blame you on that one.

she paid taxes for over 20 years and has done the right thing.. there is nothing wrong with her jumping at what may be her last chance to have a baby

Jenn, you live in Massachusettes. Your state is one of the most welfare productive and welfare states there is with all kinds of benefits. We dont even have welfare that pays anything in Florida. The only thing you can take advantage of around here if you have a job is medicaid. Its almost impossible to qualify for much else

I would hate to see patti not have a baby due to other peoples self rightous advice. I live in the USA yet I have none of the chances to get even 10 percent of the things that people in Mass get.

I also worked until the weekend I delivered. There is no system thats worth a damn to abuse here in Florida. California and Mass may be fun to get social services in ,,but Florida is a right to work state with very little unions and no good health care system and no housing assistance worth a damn like Cali and Mass.

Telling a 41 year old that some how after paying taxes for 20 years not to take advantage of things she paid into the system for is simply bunk

Muaaaaaaaaaaaah

To me, the fact that the system doesn't help near enough is a good reason to really think twice about having a baby when you don't have the resources. What kind of life does that give a child? To be labeled a "welfare child"? Is that really fair to the child? And don't get me wrong, if you have worked hard and need to use the system, well that is what it is there for. The ones that ruffle my feathers are the one that abuse it. Trust me, there are plenty of people out there that know all of the loopholes to get what they can. I think all of us have a right to be angry about that, these people are taking the food out of the mouths of those that are truly in need.

We were just talking about this today at work. People who say "oh,i can only work 18 hours or I'll lose my section 8,food stamps ect ect" Meanwhile I work 40 hours a week and have worked since I graduated highschool. When I was unemployed for a few months.. i was literatly laughed at when I asked what type or assistance I could get. Laughed at! The county worker said "you have a great work history.." Isnt that the point?! I have paid into this system and I would like to use it for what it was developed for INTERIM assistance!

ok, I think Im done.

I do agree that having a child knowing that you cannot support would be selfish. BUT, sometimes things have a way of working themselves out I had no idea how i was gonna make it when i had my son.... now we do just fine! however, interim help, to "Get on your feet".. go ahead, thats what its for "abusing it" would be purposefully having children just to get a check.

Edited September 9, 2008 by Y_habibitk