Putin: Ph34r Sarah Palin

[Fedup 0]

Complacency is the problem in this country. Too many have given up on the political system instead of trying to get more involved. If you feel that your vote would have no effect so that's why you don't vote, then you have proven your position. Even though you choice of a candidate didn't win is no reason to give up on the process. Maybe a review of those societies that never had the chance to choose their own leaders and determining if they have a better existence is called for.

:thumbs:

[slim 1,530]

So, I take it you advocate assassination as a method of determining who leads a country? I don't think you really mean that.

Although I don't advocate it, it's effective! (In the short term, at least.) However, I don't think I ever said anything about assassination being used as the method of determining the political leaders of a country, especially this country. I alluded to bullets changing governments more effectively than votes, and I will stand by that because it holds true around the globe. What I'm trying to illustrate with my comments about violence is the "voting" system here in America is ineffective for changing the government because of the current state of the election process. It's a system not designed for change, but, moreover, to ensure nothing is changed effectively.

As far as spending time in our military or peace corps as justifying someone who as earned to the right to voice their opinion, I agree. But, I don't think serving our country is, as far as someone should go. Being an American doesn't end when you have completed your time of service, it is a life long commitment. I also served my country in the military and in a war. But, I don't feel that the country owes me a lot just for that. Quite the reverse. I owe my country a lot for providing me with a safe environment, modern roads and the freedom to go from one end to the other and only having to stop for gas, food and to sleep. Regardless of what you think about the current state of our environment, infrastructure and freedoms, this is still a pretty nice country to live in.

So what is this "lifelong commitment" to serving our country? I'll agree with you that it's a pretty nice country to live in, but I don't know anything about a "lifelong commitment" and how one would go about doing so in an effective manner. By participating in the electoral process you're not "doing a duty" for your country, you're wasting your time and simply ensuring the current process survives. The more folks that support the broken process, the more it thrives. I say by voting, you're not "correcting" the problem, you're exacerbating it. And that's regardless of who you vote for.

Complacency is the problem in this country. Too many have given up on the political system instead of trying to get more involved. If you feel that your vote would have no effect so that's why you don't vote, then you have proven your position. Even though you choice of a candidate didn't win is no reason to give up on the process. Maybe a review of those societies that never had the chance to choose their own leaders and determining if they have a better existence is called for.

If you think your leaders represent you then you need to conduct a review of our society. If you think the political system can be changed by folks like me and you getting more involved you're mistaken. The will of the people was negated long ago by the needs of those with deep pockets who own the ability to get involved in the political process.

I'm with you, America is not so bad, after all, but I wholeheartedly disagree on the underlying reasons why and the ability of the political system to survive for much longer. America was set on a course for greatness and continued to be that way for a long, long time. However, we've reached the summit and are on the other side now. We have a long way to go down, but the die is cast, it's going to happen. Maybe not in your lifetime, and God willing, I hope not in my own, but it's inevitable. It will happen. And the more people that support the current state of affairs and "actively" participate in the broken political process, the faster it will roll on down that hill.

[1HappyGuy 45]

Slim,

I hope for everyone that you are wrong. Only time will tell.

[mox 298]

Put me firmly in the "assassination as a way of changing government sucks аss" column also, but I do think government would work much more towards the interests of the citizenry and less towards corporate interests if they were afraid of the people. This government (and not just the current administration) is not only unafraid of the people, but is actively disdainful of the people.

Edited September 9, 2008 by mox

[slim 1,530]

Slim,

I hope for everyone that you are wrong. Only time will tell.

I hope I'm wrong too!

But I'd rather be prepared for being right than unprepared and hopeful.

Put me firmly in the "assassination as a way of changing government sucks аss" column also, but I do think government would work much more towards the interests of the citizenry and less towards corporate interests if they were afraid of the people. This government (and not just the current administration) is not only unafraid of the people, but is actively disdainful of the people.

This government has proven time and again that the interests of the people are a distant second to the interests of big coorporations and lobbyist groups. Only after that changes can the electoral process be an effective representation "of the people."

[Fedup 0]

Slim,

I hope for everyone that you are wrong. Only time will tell.

I hope I'm wrong too!

But I'd rather be prepared for being right than unprepared and hopeful.

Put me firmly in the "assassination as a way of changing government sucks аss" column also, but I do think government would work much more towards the interests of the citizenry and less towards corporate interests if they were afraid of the people. This government (and not just the current administration) is not only unafraid of the people, but is actively disdainful of the people.

This government has proven time and again that the interests of the people are a distant second to the interests of big coorporations and lobbyist groups. Only after that changes can the electoral process be an effective representation "of the people."

Damn Trotskists...

[slim 1,530]

I was thinking more along the lines of whig... but then I'd actually have to vote.

[mox 298]

Well, besides her MILFy goodness, there is one reason to like Sarah Palin, possibly even enough to get Slim to vote the ticket...

[1HappyGuy 45]

I saw a clip of her shooting wolves from a helicopter. I think she's ####### Cheney in a skirt. If elected I wonder if she'd invite McCain on a hunting trip. Opps, instant president.

[Brad and Vika 129]

I saw a clip of her shooting wolves from a helicopter. I think she's ####### Cheney in a skirt. If elected I wonder if she'd invite McCain on a hunting trip. Opps, instant president.

Cheney was just establishing a good cover story for his heroic role in the war on terror. Big points for creativity, NO points for subtelty. Kim Jong Il and the rest of the "axis of evil" keep turning down the offers of state visits done in an informal, hunting lodge-type environment.

[russ 1]

I used to like McCain, before he buddied up to Jerry Falwell and company and stuck his head so far up Bush's ### that he can lick Bush's teeth. Now I think he is just a dirt bag.

I still like McCain, and always have. He's doing what he needs to do to get elected - such is politics. You are a fool if you think anything he is saying now will translate into policy later on.

AK - you are totally correct about the 'hot-button' issues. The reality is, none will ever change in any meaningful way. The produce too much money and support from the base of the parties.

Abortion: Republicans have won 5 presidential elections since Row v Wade, nothing has changed. Even if they somehow get the Supreme Court stacked in their favor, and the justices voted as they though they would (they rarely do), nothing would change. It would go back to the States. Nothing would change in the Blue States, and nothing would really change in the Red states either. And this has never been a priority for McCain in the Senate, I doubt that would change.

Guns: Again, nothing will change - Presidents have no control here. The (expired) Assault Weapons Band and the Brady Bill are the only real Federal gun laws I have seen in my lifetime. Neither had any effect on actual gun owners (we stocked up on "banned" weapons before the ban, and already owned on average 8 guns - a 3 day waiting period means nothing). This is really controlled by the States.

Religion: Why people vote on this baffles me.

The Economy: Again, thinking the President has anything to do with it baffles me. Congress controls spending. The Fed controls the money supply. Regulators control everything else. The president is largely symbolic. This is not communism here - the market is the economy.

The 10% of us who understand this stuff don't vote on "hot-button" issues. A "smart" politician like McCain neutralizes these issues by having a "pro-life" VP and a "quasi pro-choice" wife - knowing that people will hear what they want either way.

I'm a small government, cut taxes, civil liberties, foreign policy voter (like AK). That usually leaves me with a choice of Republicans or Libertarians (who won't win). Since I live in Florida, that usually means voting for Republicans, understanding that much of the platform is just talk.

[Danno 1,228]

<<<Agreed. Although if the latest polls are right (and I know they are often wrong) the people are not impressed with McCain's pick. For the first time Obama is polling at 50%, a full 8 points ahead of McCain. Even if McCain can close that gap with a convention bump, convention bumps aren't typically sustainable. If that gap widens it would not surprise me to see Palen drop out of the race "to spend more time with her family."

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-Mox

Wonder if my friend Mox would like to up-date his assessment?

:-)

[mox 298]

Wonder if my friend Mox would like to up-date his assessment?

:-)

Heh.

I have to admit, Palin's more popular than I gave her credit for, although I did form the quoted opinion before it was really known just how much of a fundamentalist wingnut she is. I still think she's a horrible pick, but I think what's happened here is that, incredibly, McCain (well...Palin) has managed to energize the base. This may be temporary, but I won't hold my breath. But I still stand by what I've said before: it's the swing vote that counts. They are not going to be impressed by Palin, and they're definitely not going to be swayed by McCain's "I represent change except for the 90% I agree with Bush on" stance.

The closeness of this race at so late a date was actually worrying me until I saw the electoral map: http://pollster.com/ .

Consider that even if McCain wins the popular vote, there's no way Obama doesn't pull 27 more electoral votes. Ohio and Colorado would put him over the top by 2. The only way he loses this election now is if they get photographic evidence of him snorting coke off Araina Huffington's аss.

After seeing this, I feel a lot better. Nothing's 100%, but it's nowhere near as close as I had thought, and certainly not as close as the polls are showing.

Edited September 11, 2008 by mox

[slim 1,530]

The only way he loses this election now is if they get photographic evidence of him snorting coke off Araina Huffington's аss.

How would that change anything? He's already admitted to snorting coke, albeit not off Ariana Huffington's ###, but like his boy Marion Barry, he realizes messin' with blow doesn't distance you from the rest of the Donkeys, it proves you're down with the same things they are, that you're just an average guy, that you're "one of them."

I think he'd have better luck taking the stage, grabbing the mic and asking, "Do you read the Bible, Brett? Cause there's this passage I got memorized... Ezekial 25:17.... The path of the righteous man is......... AND I WILL STRIKE DOWN UPON THEE WITH GREAT VENGEANCE AND FUUUUUUUURIOUS ANGER........"

(Crowd roars......)

Biden mudders fromt the side....

"Oh $#!T, I just shot Marvin in the face!"

Not to worry guys, they're going to find the "official" birth certificate right before it's all over. Either that, or about 1/2 of the absentee ballots will disappear.

Edited September 11, 2008 by slim

[Danno 1,228]

Wonder if my friend Mox would like to up-date his assessment?

:-)

Heh.

I have to admit, Palin's more popular than I gave her credit for, although I did form the quoted opinion before it was really known just how much of a fundamentalist wingnut she is. I still think she's a horrible pick, but I think what's happened here is that, incredibly, McCain (well...Palin) has managed to energize the base. This may be temporary, but I won't hold my breath. But I still stand by what I've said before: it's the swing vote that counts. They are not going to be impressed by Palin, and they're definitely not going to be swayed by McCain's "I represent change except for the 90% I agree with Bush on" stance.

The closeness of this race at so late a date was actually worrying me until I saw the electoral map: http://pollster.com/ .

Consider that even if McCain wins the popular vote, there's no way Obama doesn't pull 27 more electoral votes. Ohio and Colorado would put him over the top by 2. The only way he loses this election now is if they get photographic evidence of him snorting coke off Araina Huffington's аss.

After seeing this, I feel a lot better. Nothing's 100%, but it's nowhere near as close as I had thought, and certainly not as close as the polls are showing.

I think you need to instill some of that "It's a done deal" optimism to the Obama Campaign, they seem really worried and it might be because they are not reading polls but rather polling TRENDS.

Would you buy stock in a company whose number have dropped so far, so fast?

While Obama's numbers have eroded significantly... Palins numbers (McCain now seems to be along for the ride) have surged.

If she is a far-right "fundamentalist wingnut" (as you say) and in a matter of days she has gained so much support (despite the smear-job), what does that say about the "far-right" in this

Country? Must be a lot more of them that the left likes to suggest.

Now of course anything is possible and with an army of Democratic "dirt diggers" and the press looking under every Rock in Alaska, ..one would expect something would be found to take the sparkle off of Palins star. But until that happens... God it's fun to watch the Obama club go from slam-dunk winners to a team trying to play without a clue as what to do.

I think she is a very likable person and will attract a number of people in the center.

I don't mind saying "I like her"... (and not just those legs) but is it enough to get me to vote for

McCain? I don't know.

Ironically, I re-registered (I have a new address)

to vote yesterday at the library, some guy had a table set up complete with registration forms and Obama stickers