Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick

[Eric_and_Corinna 0]

Sarah is absolutely clueless and has gotten by with her looks and no real substance.

This is truly scary.

Hey it worked for Quayle!

LOL...I've been thinking the same thing!

[Eric_and_Corinna 0]

So we have one Alaskan who dislikes Malin & that is 'golden' to you Obama lovers?

Kinda like Gary saying Obama is ####### & you actually believing him.

Seriously? Talk about tunnel vision. Hey, if it works for you, fine. I prefer to do my own research, not go by one VJer's word.

I could care less who likes and/or dislikes her.All I know that it was a smart move on his part choosing her for a running mate.And yes,I am a Obama lover.

I'm not disagreeing with you - I think it was very smart. I just find it funny that one VJer has convinced a few others that she is evil.

Illumine, please do the research on her, I'm begging everyone to! VJers asked what her story was and I told them. I never said she was evil. I said she got hammered in her gubernatorial debates, which is common knowledge and will probably happen again against Biden. I said she has caused controversy over her dealings with royalty taxes of Big Oil (which I even said I agreed with her on) and the natural gas pipeline. Both of these issues have old-school R's in Alaska questioning whether she's actually a true Republican. But, she's extremely pro-life and pro-guns, so she's got that covered. I said she's run into some ethical problems of late over her alleged attempts to influence the Commissioner of Public Safety to fire her ex-brother in law, then her dismissal of the Commissioner when he refused. These aren't pulled out of thin air, you can easily find plenty of information on all of this. I believe I said that I thought she had a good heart. (the horror!!)

Listen, if McCain had picked Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski from Alaska to be his running mate, I'd be the first one singing her praises and would be voting "R." Don't try to make this a D vs R thing. It's not. It's about someone who isn't fit to be the Vice President of the United States, after showing, in my opinion, that she has trouble even leading the State of Alaska.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You are missing the point. It is not about WPM or the ability to compare platforms, nor is it any other X, Y or Z specific skill, it is an overarching ability to be an active participant in the use of exponentially growing technology - a HUGE aspect of modern society. We live in a digital world. Could someone who is not in touch with this digital world act as president? Of course. Would they make the best president? Probably not.

Nah, I see your point. I just disagree with it! I see it as irrelevant. People getting on computers and using them in their everyday life is definitely a part of our modern society. But what exactly does that amount to? Mainly checking E-Mails, Going to different websites, downloading youtube videos, perhaps opening up documents and reading them. Beyond that, most people who use a computer don't even know how to use the find and replace function.

So, what skills does one person who knows how to use a google search engine have over someone who has one of their aides do it for them that puts them more in touch with the issues you describe? None. The issues you are talking about are far more complex than your everyday computer user can deal with.

It would be nice if he could use Microsoft Money or Quicken though, just to show what an unbalanced budget looks like in simple terms!

Well said. I agree.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

So we have one Alaskan who dislikes Malin & that is 'golden' to you Obama lovers?

Kinda like Gary saying Obama is ####### & you actually believing him.

Seriously? Talk about tunnel vision. Hey, if it works for you, fine. I prefer to do my own research, not go by one VJer's word.

I could care less who likes and/or dislikes her.All I know that it was a smart move on his part choosing her for a running mate.And yes,I am a Obama lover.

I'm not disagreeing with you - I think it was very smart. I just find it funny that one VJer has convinced a few others that she is evil.

Illumine, please do the research on her, I'm begging everyone to! VJers asked what her story was and I told them. I never said she was evil. I said she got hammered in her gubernatorial debates, which is common knowledge and will probably happen again against Biden. I said she has caused controversy over her dealings with royalty taxes of Big Oil (which I even said I agreed with her on) and the natural gas pipeline. Both of these issues have old-school R's in Alaska questioning whether she's actually a true Republican. But, she's extremely pro-life and pro-guns, so she's got that covered. I said she's run into some ethical problems of late over her alleged attempts to influence the Commissioner of Public Safety to fire her ex-brother in law, then her dismissal of the Commissioner when he refused. These aren't pulled out of thin air, you can easily find plenty of information on all of this. I believe I said that I thought she had a good heart. (the horror!!)

Listen, if McCain had picked Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski from Alaska to be his running mate, I'd be the first one singing her praises and would be voting "R." Don't try to make this a D vs R thing. It's not. It's about someone who isn't fit to be the Vice President of the United States, after showing, in my opinion, that she has trouble even leading the State of Alaska.

I think Dev (Illumine) was baiting you with the word 'evil.' She knows you didn't say that.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

There are quite a few corporate CEOs who don't know how to operate a computer

[JULIAFERNO 0]

devil's advocate here:

So what if McCain chose a woman for strategic reasons. Did Obama choose Biden to help secure the on-the-fence Dems who feel more comfortable with an older white man? Maybe, maybe not on both counts.

In the case of inexperience (for both Palin and Obama) to those who cite that as a reason. many Germans thought Angela Merckel was a risk because of her inexperience and she has proven to be a great leader for Germany.

There is so much bickering here and a lot of "Hello, Pot, my name is Kettle" too (no surprise ... it's VJ ) when there could be civil and interesting debate. (btw, that comment isn't directed at anyone in particular, just the overall bickering)

Actually, I think there is a lot of interesting debate going on.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

devil's advocate here:

So what if McCain chose a woman for strategic reasons. Did Obama choose Biden to help secure the on-the-fence Dems who feel more comfortable with an older white man? Maybe, maybe not on both counts.

In the case of inexperience (for both Palin and Obama) to those who cite that as a reason. many Germans thought Angela Merckel was a risk because of her inexperience and she has proven to be a great leader for Germany.

There is so much bickering here and a lot of "Hello, Pot, my name is Kettle" too (no surprise ... it's VJ ) when there could be civil and interesting debate. (btw, that comment isn't directed at anyone in particular, just the overall bickering)

Actually, I think there is a lot of interesting debate going on.

Yep. I agree. You have to filter through the riff raff - ignore the baiting and silly arguments to find that there are some really good points made by all sides of the argument.

[no name 1]

So we have one Alaskan who dislikes Malin & that is 'golden' to you Obama lovers?

Kinda like Gary saying Obama is ####### & you actually believing him.

Seriously? Talk about tunnel vision. Hey, if it works for you, fine. I prefer to do my own research, not go by one VJer's word.

I could care less who likes and/or dislikes her.All I know that it was a smart move on his part choosing her for a running mate.And yes,I am a Obama lover.

I'm not disagreeing with you - I think it was very smart. I just find it funny that one VJer has convinced a few others that she is evil.

Illumine, please do the research on her, I'm begging everyone to! VJers asked what her story was and I told them. I never said she was evil. I said she got hammered in her gubernatorial debates, which is common knowledge and will probably happen again against Biden. I said she has caused controversy over her dealings with royalty taxes of Big Oil (which I even said I agreed with her on) and the natural gas pipeline. Both of these issues have old-school R's in Alaska questioning whether she's actually a true Republican. But, she's extremely pro-life and pro-guns, so she's got that covered. I said she's run into some ethical problems of late over her alleged attempts to influence the Commissioner of Public Safety to fire her ex-brother in law, then her dismissal of the Commissioner when he refused. These aren't pulled out of thin air, you can easily find plenty of information on all of this. I believe I said that I thought she had a good heart. (the horror!!)

Listen, if McCain had picked Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski from Alaska to be his running mate, I'd be the first one singing her praises and would be voting "R." Don't try to make this a D vs R thing. It's not. It's about someone who isn't fit to be the Vice President of the United States, after showing, in my opinion, that she has trouble even leading the State of Alaska.

I already said I was going to do my own research (see post 124).

My feeling is that she is totally unexperienced in economic matters and foreign policy.

I've done my own research for Obama & feel he is completely incapable of leading our nation - much like how you feel about Palin. However, he would be leading it, while Palin would be #2. My vote is not one I take lightly - and I am not ready to decide yet.

I think Dev (Illumine) was baiting you with the word 'evil.' She knows you didn't say that.

Do us all a favor - don't assume or speak for me(or anyone), Steven. I was not baiting - it's called paraphrasing.

Edited August 30, 2008 by illumine

[dalegg 143]

Really? The President needs to personally get on a PC to understand how to deal with these? He can't like, have advisors that understand these things in detail or something?

Does he need to actually understand how hackers manipulate passwords and get through firewalls?

By the way, do you know the Con for Net Neutrality?

A person who spends all their time on a PC and has time to sit down and compare platforms and weigh out whether they prefer a MAC or a PC from a PC users perspective is not likely to have an unbiased opinion of net neutrality. It is about a lot more than that and having the facts presented from both sides- in person, not text messaging, is going to suffice and be of a lot more value.

"The President needs to personally get on a PC to understand how to deal with these?" --

Gee, McCain campaign says you have to be a Vietnam vet pow to understand the security issues...

As always, same rules do not apply to both sides, huh?

Still do not see how a clueless disoriented dude can have a judgement based on his pow experiences.. More like the opposite, with anger and flashbacks.

Hey, did I ever say that? Has there ever been a time that I have even commented on McCain's ability to understand or not understand security issues or whether I thought his being a POW made him any more or less qualified to be President? I'll answer for you. No. The truth is that there are plenty of things you could attack McCain on that would be relevant to his position as Commander in Chief. This is just not one of them.

Well said. I agree.

[maggieNomar 0]

Thanks for the interesting reading/information folks. thankfully I still have a little tiime to decide.

[Eric_and_Corinna 0]

lllumine

I just hope you do some research on Palin.

[metta 0]

lllumine

I just hope you do some research on Palin.

Hey , I researched on her and suggested McCaain to pick palin way back in March. McCain must be lurking on vj

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=1636310

[dalegg 143]

lllumine

I just hope you do some research on Palin.

Hey , I researched on her and suggested McCaain to pick palin way back in March. McCain must be lurking on vj

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=1636310

Wow, you and Gary both. What info have you guys been sharing?

[tammy2688 1]

Looks has nothing to do with anything. Edwards could not get in with his movie star looks and Palin's legs ain't enough to sway intelligent men and women who supported Hillary for her hard work and mental strength. Yes it is all politics (duh) and McCain tries to now catch the female/younger population, look like a decent man by picking a woman, and then and then sucking up all the goods that Alaska ever had. It is not a strategtic or a genius move by McCain - it was downright necessary. If he picked another man, an older man, and one with same experience it would become the McCain-McCain ticket. So his pick was downright a given in my view and it does not make me like him any more than I do Bush.

As for A.J, I am assumig you are not in the top 10% richest people (not that all Republicans are) and someone who has seen the Republican ticket destroy an entire nation and kill thousands of innocent civilians, still remain in support of a murderous regime, one that is heartless and losing support from all over the world. It is not just you but to all the Republicans I ask this. Maybe if your SO was in Afghanistan or Iraq and got killed by the war that the Republicans have set upon it would become more real. Until then as long as everyone is ok here its all sweet and peachy. But the truth is the very rich, who represent the Republican party, don't care about you - a middle class individual. Just ask for help one day and you will see if your voice was heard or not. There will be 10 lobbyists to take your place and make sure their ideas are heard before the common people in the Republican ticket.

I don't believe in fairy tales and I do not believe Obama will be able to change the world in 4 years, but it is better than the same bullsh@t I have been seeing for the past 8 years. Maybe I am missing something here and people like to live like this, and be hated by the rest of the world and pretend they are invincible, thats fine.

I just want a break from the same old tune that is growing mold and would like to give someone who is not influenced by so many years of Washington's brainwashing to go in and try to make this country better, a place that the world respects, that is respectable and tolerable.

Edited August 31, 2008 by tammy2688

[no name 1]

lllumine

I just hope you do some research on Palin.

You don't know me from Adam but seriously, how many times do I need to say it? VJ Sheesh.