Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin Is McCain's VP Pick

[morocco4ever 63]

What if there were 2 white men running against each other. One picked an attractive woman that was well qualified as a running mate. The other picked an attractive woman, not really qualified, but with bigger knockers. Would you still consider the strategy smart?

which one has the lower cut shirt?

Why does your response not surprise me...Charles Charles Charles...see why Ewok has to keep an eye you you?? hehe

[natty bumppo 297]

What if there were 2 white men running against each other. One picked an attractive woman that was well qualified as a running mate. The other picked an attractive woman, not really qualified, but with bigger knockers. Would you still consider the strategy smart?

Exactly, this shows that McCain is not choosing anyone for what they can do for this country his sole purpose in choosing her was for votes...votes to get HIM in office. I mean honestly people...do you think McCain and his crew will EVER let that lady run anything. She'll be another Cheney.

OMG! If HC supporters vote for this ticket JUST for the sole fact that JM picked a woman, well let them fools vote that way. That would be the stupidest thing ever. I really thought that HC supporters were alot smarter than that, but with comments like this I am rethinking that position.

And BO is pulling African-American voters for the same reason....

HA! Thats what everyone seems to think...but in reality most Black voters were HC supporters cause they were big fans on BC. But now that HC is out they are moving more to BO.

got any facts to back that up?

I'm Black and most everyone I know is too!

in the big picture ... you and people you personally know ... might be considered a very very very small group

well duh! But so many people who are not Black seem to think they have a clear idea on what we think in this election, just by lookin at our skin color. When in actuality they are so off base its amazing. I dont just mean myself and friends I mean the Black Community. *(thats how we see it)

so ... you and your friends represent the whole black community?

where are the illegal ... mexican ... brown peoples commenters?

*guys ... this is a real soft pitch ... gonna hit it*

[Widge 0]

Sorry Gary I think you missed my point ! I confirmed the point that McCains "experience" does not equal good judgement. I called this decision of his the double whammy of bad judgement coupled with negligible experience. I do believe the Obama /Biden ticket wins this hands down in all departments. I am pleased with his pick as an independant Obama just got a bigger boost than he had from the last four days wooohoooo

[no name 1]

After watching Obama's speech last night and feeling like I was in church and seeing the hero worship from before like he's JC I'm a bit put off.

What is it specifically that gives you this impression? To me he just sounds like any other politician, really. And believe me, I'd be the first to be turned off by a politician making me feel like I was in church. I probably won't be voting for Obama, but for other reasons. I'm just curious about this comparison to JC that keeps getting made and wonder if it's not just something that is perceived because it keeps getting repeated by conservatives.

Oliva.. I am happy to have read what you wrote... I too felt as if i was being preached to..

Even tho he is a former member of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago... he still talks like the preachers there... .. the techniques are quite similar..Imho..

Towards the end of Obamas speech I felt like he was going to put his hands in the air.. .. and .. say AMEN.. or some thing of the sort..

When I feel that bitter sour feeling.. I walk as well.. to me.. church and state.. should always be seperate... .. .

For myself his last statement.. Acceptance speech transcript

"At this moment, in this election, we must pledge once more to march into the future. Let us keep that promise, that American promise, and in the words of scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess.

Thank you. God bless you. And God bless the United States of America."

He waivered. at the end.. at A... then he said. and God Bless........

the force/tone he used in his use of words.. made me extremely uneasy

Luckily, he's already disowned his church, so maybe his religion as well?

Sorry Gary I think you missed my point ! I confirmed the point that McCains "experience" does not equal good judgement. I called this decision of his the double whammy of bad judgement coupled with negligible experience. I do believe the Obama /Biden ticket wins this hands down in all departments. I am pleased with his pick as an independant Obama just got a bigger boost than he had from the last four days wooohoooo

Do you have any facts for that?

A poll cannot be conducted on McCain til after his convention....for fairness' sake...

[HAL 9000 96]

I'm gonna steal these from Fark, they're just too good not to pass along:

Lets see Obama:

Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first year was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition.[17] In his second year he was elected president of the Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors.[18] Obama's election in February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.[18] He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 and returned to Chicago where he had worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[17][19]

Palin:

In 1984, after winning the Miss Wasilla contest earlier that year, Palin finished second in the Miss Alaska beauty pageant which won her a scholarship to help pay her way through college.[5] In the Wasilla pageant, she played the flute and also won Miss Congeniality.

Yeah, that's exactly the same being the top of your class at Harvard Law school and being the winner in beauty pageants is the same experience for president.

And:

Oh, I needed that. The day after the vice-presidential debate, there are going to be chunks of Palin in Joe Biden's stool.

Well you know... indeed a smart and strategic choice that we can all laugh at. Lets see how many more judgement and experience calls we continue to bitterly read here.

Let me get this straight, anyone here who doesn't think this was a dumb choice is "bitter"?

I see the same old misogyny we saw in the primaries is rearing its head again.

Definitely didn't get it Robin... I am not playing opposites. Nor am I labeling anyone or hating anyone on account of gender... perhaps you could shoulder the brunt of proving (if you're indeed calling me a woman hater). Just the usual suspects that know little more to do than laugh with pettiness are the bitter ones.

Like I stated quite easily to read (not directed at you, btw), its a matter of strategy that may not end up being the smarted move after all. I think the bulk majority of Democratic voters are either completely over the entire misogyny drama show we all saw during the Primary season. Not to mention the obvious Republican attempt to drive chaos into the Democratic Party... which again... makes one wonder where certain people's logic lies... with issues or with bitter pettiness. I for one prefer to focus on things that matter like those things Obama is campaignin over.

[GaryC 7]

Sorry Gary I think you missed my point ! I confirmed the point that McCains "experience" does not equal good judgement. I called this decision of his the double whammy of bad judgement coupled with negligible experience. I do believe the Obama /Biden ticket wins this hands down in all departments. I am pleased with his pick as an independant Obama just got a bigger boost than he had from the last four days wooohoooo

McCains choice shows me he has very good judgment. Palin is a great conservative. Obama's choice shows me he knows he has no experience and needs Biden to shore him up. The candidate of "change" picked a Washington insider because he knows that his resume is very thin. So much for "change".

[HAL 9000 96]

Behave everyone, Ewok is watching us.

It just bugs me. We have a first time black candidate for President. So who does McCain pick? A woman, a first, for running mate. Is this politics or a "lets see who out do's who in the firsts". Maybe I am odd, but I would prefer to pick someone who's policies match my needs. I am hopelessly old fashioned like that.

Gawd!!

I agree with this, but when one side of the political spectrum is saying "Palin is like, so, much hotter than Clinton" and other is saying "OMFG - she's a beauty queen, must be an airhead." I like to call it for what it is not matter who is saying it.

Better to refer to common sense. Not that statistics favor much in terms of natural intelligence in many beauty queens... but still...

Behave everyone, Ewok is watching us.

It just bugs me. We have a first time black candidate for President. So who does McCain pick? A woman, a first, for running mate. Is this politics or a "lets see who out do's who in the firsts". Maybe I am odd, but I would prefer to pick someone who's policies match my needs. I am hopelessly old fashioned like that.

Gawd!!

Why would it "bug" you?

I feel very much OK with it all. Who cares who is first as long as there is a first!!!!!!! First black candidate, first woman potential VP. This country is progressing...who cares which party is first?

And I agree with the voting for the person whose policies match your own, regardless of gender/colour etc

I am not apposed to "firsts". I am apposed to a competition on firsts.

It's an election - it's about getting votes. McCain needed a younger, conservative running mate. Being that she is a minority is simply a strategic plus.

She is also a strong social conservative who will not alienate the party's base with the same "maverick" reputation for bucking the party line that could attract independents.

And with regard to her educational credentials (as opposed to whether or not she was beauty queen) - pretty similar to Biden's (University of Idaho vs University of Delaware)

You don't have to be a brain surgeon to understand her appeal even if you don't agree with the other party's politics.

Would he have picked her if his opponent not been a black man? If the answer to that question is yes, then I bow to his choice. Otherwise it really has nothing to do with issues. That strategy alone would cause me to rethink my vote.

For the Republicans to pick a woman or minority would have been even smarter if the Dems had fielded 2 old white guys

And THAT is where the strategy is. We finally coincide in our logic.

[no name 1]

Behave everyone, Ewok is watching us.

It just bugs me. We have a first time black candidate for President. So who does McCain pick? A woman, a first, for running mate. Is this politics or a "lets see who out do's who in the firsts". Maybe I am odd, but I would prefer to pick someone who's policies match my needs. I am hopelessly old fashioned like that.

Gawd!!

I agree with this, but when one side of the political spectrum is saying "Palin is like, so, much hotter than Clinton" and other is saying "OMFG - she's a beauty queen, must be an airhead." I like to call it for what it is not matter who is saying it.

Better to refer to common sense. Not that statistics favor much in terms of natural intelligence in many beauty queens... but still...

Obviously this is not a 'petty' statement. Or 'bitter'.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I'm gonna steal these from Fark, they're just too good not to pass along:

Lets see Obama:

Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first year was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition.[17] In his second year he was elected president of the Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors.[18] Obama's election in February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.[18] He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 and returned to Chicago where he had worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[17][19]

Palin:

In 1984, after winning the Miss Wasilla contest earlier that year, Palin finished second in the Miss Alaska beauty pageant which won her a scholarship to help pay her way through college.[5] In the Wasilla pageant, she played the flute and also won Miss Congeniality.

Yeah, that's exactly the same being the top of your class at Harvard Law school and being the winner in beauty pageants is the same experience for president.

And:

Oh, I needed that. The day after the vice-presidential debate, there are going to be chunks of Palin in Joe Biden's stool.

Well you know... indeed a smart and strategic choice that we can all laugh at. Lets see how many more judgement and experience calls we continue to bitterly read here.

Let me get this straight, anyone here who doesn't think this was a dumb choice is "bitter"?

I see the same old misogyny we saw in the primaries is rearing its head again.

Definitely didn't get it Robin... I am not playing opposites. Nor am I labeling anyone or hating anyone on account of gender... perhaps you could shoulder the brunt of proving (if you're indeed calling me a woman hater). Just the usual suspects that know little more to do than laugh with pettiness are the bitter ones.

Like I stated quite easily to read (not directed at you, btw), its a matter of strategy that may not end up being the smarted move after all. I think the bulk majority of Democratic voters are either completely over the entire misogyny drama show we all saw during the Primary season. Not to mention the obvious Republican attempt to drive chaos into the Democratic Party... which again... makes one wonder where certain people's logic lies... with issues or with bitter pettiness. I for one prefer to focus on things that matter like those things Obama is campaignin over.

And I wasn't directing that "misogyny" charge at you, btw. Although I'm sure as someone who likes to focus on "

the issues" you will agree that whether or not this woman was once a beauty queen is irrelevant.

As for "bitter" I think you might want a better choice of wording if you want to win people over. constantly using that word to describe people who might not agree with you strikes me as quite petty.

I think suggesting that the choice of Sarah Palin as solely an attempt to "drive chaos in the Democratic party is wrong. She is a good choice for the Republicans for many reasons - a few of which I have stated upthread. She is not a perfect choice, and she is inexperienced (though with 2 more years executive experience than Obama) and if people want to focus on the "issues" that is a fair way to criticize her. Bringing up her looks or the fact she was a runner up to Miss Alaska is.....a little dangerous.

[HAL 9000 96]

I am really shocked by this decision on McCains part and if this is an example of his "judgement" calls god help us all! Having looked at this womans bio it is thin to say the least> McCain has questioned repeatedly Obamas experience and his readyness to be commander in chief and said he would pick someone ready (at his age I would say this IS imperative) to step into the role of Commander-in-chief well I'm sorry if this is the best and most experience he could bring to the ticket there must be a lot we don't know about other apparently better qualified candidates. I feared the Romneys of this world who would have added economic experience to this ticket. If this is a nod to Hillary voters, gun toters or pro lifers then all I can say is the same as I said when I heard the news WOW!

And as an aside that will probably get me flamed. I am a liberal all for working women but even I balk when I see a woman with four children at home and one is a mere baby I question whether she has her priorities in the right place ........ flame away.

Widge I completey agree with you. JM has downed BO for lack of experience all thru this election and then he picks this woman! Is SHE ready to be president? Cause thats what will happen if JM kicks the bucket.

She is just as ready as Obama. But the difference is if elected Obama WILL be learning on the job, with Palin she wouldn't be unless something happened to McCain.

Oh dear God! Do you see how this makes it so much worse!

Yes it does. If Obama is elected we will be assured of someone that has no clue. At least Palin will get to be VP for a while first. Your right, it would be so much worse to have Obama.

Again so-say-you brother Gary.

Leadership is not a one man affair, if that were the case. Nor should anyone in the position they're in rely on having a clue to judge the capacity to govern. The last two terms should ring a bell.

[Dan J 277]

Sorry Gary I think you missed my point ! I confirmed the point that McCains "experience" does not equal good judgement. I called this decision of his the double whammy of bad judgement coupled with negligible experience. I do believe the Obama /Biden ticket wins this hands down in all departments. I am pleased with his pick as an independant Obama just got a bigger boost than he had from the last four days wooohoooo

McCains choice shows me he has very good judgment. Palin is a great conservative. Obama's choice shows me he knows he has no experience and needs Biden to shore him up. The candidate of "change" picked a Washington insider because he knows that his resume is very thin. So much for "change".

Choosing a candidate involved in a nepotism scandal is good judgment?

He might win over some women with this choice, but at the end of the day, issues still matter more than gender.

[HAL 9000 96]

Behave everyone, Ewok is watching us.

It just bugs me. We have a first time black candidate for President. So who does McCain pick? A woman, a first, for running mate. Is this politics or a "lets see who out do's who in the firsts". Maybe I am odd, but I would prefer to pick someone who's policies match my needs. I am hopelessly old fashioned like that.

Gawd!!

I agree with this, but when one side of the political spectrum is saying "Palin is like, so, much hotter than Clinton" and other is saying "OMFG - she's a beauty queen, must be an airhead." I like to call it for what it is not matter who is saying it.

Better to refer to common sense. Not that statistics favor much in terms of natural intelligence in many beauty queens... but still...

Obviously this is not a 'petty' statement. Or 'bitter'.

Well, how much personal experience do you need to quantify the statement? Or is common sense not enough?

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Better to refer to common sense. Not that statistics favor much in terms of natural intelligence in many beauty queens... but still...

Really now.....do you have IQ statistics of beauty queens to prove this? Are being beautiful and being smart mutually exclusive? Interesting.

[GaryC 7]

I am really shocked by this decision on McCains part and if this is an example of his "judgement" calls god help us all! Having looked at this womans bio it is thin to say the least> McCain has questioned repeatedly Obamas experience and his readyness to be commander in chief and said he would pick someone ready (at his age I would say this IS imperative) to step into the role of Commander-in-chief well I'm sorry if this is the best and most experience he could bring to the ticket there must be a lot we don't know about other apparently better qualified candidates. I feared the Romneys of this world who would have added economic experience to this ticket. If this is a nod to Hillary voters, gun toters or pro lifers then all I can say is the same as I said when I heard the news WOW!

And as an aside that will probably get me flamed. I am a liberal all for working women but even I balk when I see a woman with four children at home and one is a mere baby I question whether she has her priorities in the right place ........ flame away.

Widge I completey agree with you. JM has downed BO for lack of experience all thru this election and then he picks this woman! Is SHE ready to be president? Cause thats what will happen if JM kicks the bucket.

She is just as ready as Obama. But the difference is if elected Obama WILL be learning on the job, with Palin she wouldn't be unless something happened to McCain.

Oh dear God! Do you see how this makes it so much worse!

Yes it does. If Obama is elected we will be assured of someone that has no clue. At least Palin will get to be VP for a while first. Your right, it would be so much worse to have Obama.

Again so-say-you brother Gary.

Leadership is not a one man affair, if that were the case. Nor should anyone in the position they're in rely on having a clue to judge the capacity to govern. The last two terms should ring a bell.

So-say-you also. I happen to think that Bush is a very good leader. Now I know there will be dozens of eye rollers at that statement but I really do think Bush is a good leader. I would rather have 8 more years of Bush than one minute of Obama.

[Jenn! 918]

Better to refer to common sense. Not that statistics favor much in terms of natural intelligence in many beauty queens... but still...

Really now.....do you have IQ statistics of beauty queens to prove this? Are being beautiful and being smart mutually exclusive? Interesting.

Well, beauty queen is not the same thing as beautiful woman.