GOP platform calls for constitutional abortion ban

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I loathe to step into this conversation, but I don't think it's an exaggeration. I have seen the inside of an abortion clinic while in operation (twice) and both times they were filled to the brim with women going through the motions (ie: different stages of the procedure). Right or wrong - just commenting on what I have seen and that it might be more widespread than one might think.

The shortage, I believe, is for infants that are white.

And not only that sister LaL, also infants that are pretty looking and healthy. Few people are willing to adopt say crack-babies, or children with genetic defect and/or physical malformations.

I just don't buy the "have your baby at 14 and give it up for adoption" thing. But then again, I would never adopt a child and I am pro-choice. No doubts or qualms about it.

To each its own.

Commie smoker you!

I am pro-choice male and yes, I would adopt a child in the future.

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I doubt there are many pro-choice supporters who would actually 'want' to have an abortion or indeed who believe this is a reliable and alternative form of birth control. It is a proceedure of last resort in terms of unwanted pregnancy or a life saving proceedure when the welfare of the mother is compromised by the pregnancy.

The answer to reducing unwanted pregnancies is always going to be better education.

Unwanted pregnancies should not really be some limitless source of babies for couples who can't produce their own. There are consequences for the child of being the product of an unwanted pregnancy no matter how loving a home they are placed in after adoption.

As a product of an unwanted pregnancy who was adopted at three years, I'm curious as to what those consequences are.

The consequences are not always just on the children and are not universally horific. However it is not unknown for the child of an unwanted pregnacy to question their identity for example.

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And not every unwanted baby is destined for a life of poverty.

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We could also try the John Milton approach.

I can only imagine the reaction should someone write a similar proposal in this day and age lol.

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We could also try the John Milton approach.

I can only imagine the reaction should someone write a similar proposal in this day and age lol.

Given the apparent lack of humanity in some folks I wouldn't be too shocked if some gave in and actually promoted such satire as actually doable.

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I loathe to step into this conversation, but I don't think it's an exaggeration. I have seen the inside of an abortion clinic while in operation (twice) and both times they were filled to the brim with women going through the motions (ie: different stages of the procedure). Right or wrong - just commenting on what I have seen and that it might be more widespread than one might think.

The shortage, I believe, is for infants that are white.

And not only that sister LaL, also infants that are pretty looking and healthy. Few people are willing to adopt say crack-babies, or children with genetic defect and/or physical malformations.

I just don't buy the "have your baby at 14 and give it up for adoption" thing. But then again, I would never adopt a child and I am pro-choice. No doubts or qualms about it.

To each its own.

At the agency I worked at, the parent's had no idea what the baby would look like except for meeting the babies biological mother, and still signed all the paperwork to agree to adopt before the baby is even born.

I know several families who have adopted. At least with the people I know, how the baby looked never had anything to do with it. I know white families who have adopted, and among those:

one couple adopted from china(couple had fertility problems)

one couple adopted a local newborn with a total cleft palate(couple had fertility problems) who is now almost 13 and has gone thru the surgeries and looks completely normal. They didn't care about his cleft palate, they just wanted him.

Two families, with biological children, adopted several children of various races and ages(thru the foster system)

I know others too.

I would adopt if I couldn't have kids and may still adopt even after having kids.

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Obama says that it's above his paygrade to answer the question of when life begins. If he is not sure, why not error on the side of protecting an unborn child? Ask anyone who has ever purchased a condom when life begins.

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Well there are a lot of couples who can't have babies and would want to adopt infants. What is probably stopping a lot of people right now is the cost of adopting and the wait. I worked at an adoption agency/law office for a short period and there was a huge waiting list of families who actually could afford it but there weren't enough babies for all. They'd wait long amounts of time to get to the adoption stage. One reason people are going international for adoptions is the price and availability compared to the US. So there are lots of people willing to adopt.

Good point. Do you have actual statistics on the number of willing couples at this moment? And also, then, why are orphanages and foster homes relatively overcrowded from state to state?

I doubt there are many pro-choice supporters who would actually 'want' to have an abortion or indeed who believe this is a reliable and alternative form of birth control. It is a proceedure of last resort in terms of unwanted pregnancy or a life saving proceedure when the welfare of the mother is compromised by the pregnancy.

The answer to reducing unwanted pregnancies is always going to be better education.

Unwanted pregnancies should not really be some limitless source of babies for couples who can't produce their own. There are consequences for the child of being the product of an unwanted pregnancy no matter how loving a home they are placed in after adoption.

We could also try the John Milton approach.

Do you mean Jonathan Swift?

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Well there are a lot of couples who can't have babies and would want to adopt infants. What is probably stopping a lot of people right now is the cost of adopting and the wait. I worked at an adoption agency/law office for a short period and there was a huge waiting list of families who actually could afford it but there weren't enough babies for all. They'd wait long amounts of time to get to the adoption stage. One reason people are going international for adoptions is the price and availability compared to the US. So there are lots of people willing to adopt.

Good point. Do you have actual statistics on the number of willing couples at this moment? And also, then, why are orphanages and foster homes relatively overcrowded from state to state?

I doubt there are many pro-choice supporters who would actually 'want' to have an abortion or indeed who believe this is a reliable and alternative form of birth control. It is a proceedure of last resort in terms of unwanted pregnancy or a life saving proceedure when the welfare of the mother is compromised by the pregnancy.

The answer to reducing unwanted pregnancies is always going to be better education.

Unwanted pregnancies should not really be some limitless source of babies for couples who can't produce their own. There are consequences for the child of being the product of an unwanted pregnancy no matter how loving a home they are placed in after adoption.

We could also try the John Milton approach.

Do you mean Jonathan Swift?

Oops!!!!! Thanks Scott for catching my literary gaffe.

Yes... "A Modest Proposal"

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Well there are a lot of couples who can't have babies and would want to adopt infants. What is probably stopping a lot of people right now is the cost of adopting and the wait. I worked at an adoption agency/law office for a short period and there was a huge waiting list of families who actually could afford it but there weren't enough babies for all. They'd wait long amounts of time to get to the adoption stage. One reason people are going international for adoptions is the price and availability compared to the US. So there are lots of people willing to adopt.

Good point. Do you have actual statistics on the number of willing couples at this moment? And also, then, why are orphanages and foster homes relatively overcrowded from state to state?

I doubt there are many pro-choice supporters who would actually 'want' to have an abortion or indeed who believe this is a reliable and alternative form of birth control. It is a proceedure of last resort in terms of unwanted pregnancy or a life saving proceedure when the welfare of the mother is compromised by the pregnancy.

The answer to reducing unwanted pregnancies is always going to be better education.

Unwanted pregnancies should not really be some limitless source of babies for couples who can't produce their own. There are consequences for the child of being the product of an unwanted pregnancy no matter how loving a home they are placed in after adoption.

We could also try the John Milton approach.

Do you mean Jonathan Swift?

Oops!!!!! Thanks Scott for catching my literary gaffe.

Yes... "A Modest Proposal"

You and me both lol When I first read your comment I was thinking "I coulda sworn it was written by the guy that wrote Gulliver's Travels..." But then given my memory, I figured I was wrong XD

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Well there are a lot of couples who can't have babies and would want to adopt infants. What is probably stopping a lot of people right now is the cost of adopting and the wait. I worked at an adoption agency/law office for a short period and there was a huge waiting list of families who actually could afford it but there weren't enough babies for all. They'd wait long amounts of time to get to the adoption stage. One reason people are going international for adoptions is the price and availability compared to the US. So there are lots of people willing to adopt.

Good point. Do you have actual statistics on the number of willing couples at this moment? And also, then, why are orphanages and foster homes relatively overcrowded from state to state?

I doubt there are many pro-choice supporters who would actually 'want' to have an abortion or indeed who believe this is a reliable and alternative form of birth control. It is a proceedure of last resort in terms of unwanted pregnancy or a life saving proceedure when the welfare of the mother is compromised by the pregnancy.

The answer to reducing unwanted pregnancies is always going to be better education.

Unwanted pregnancies should not really be some limitless source of babies for couples who can't produce their own. There are consequences for the child of being the product of an unwanted pregnancy no matter how loving a home they are placed in after adoption.

We could also try the John Milton approach.

Do you mean Jonathan Swift?

Oops!!!!! Thanks Scott for catching my literary gaffe.

Yes... "A Modest Proposal"

You and me both lol When I first read your comment I was thinking "I coulda sworn it was written by the guy that wrote Gulliver's Travels..." But then given my memory, I figured I was wrong XD

I couldn't think of anything relevant written by Milton, so figured it had to be that other Jo(h)n

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You mean, he wasn't referring to Paradise Lost?

Swift was an atrocious writer. I mean his style was appalling. The subject matter is another matter entirely.

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You mean, he wasn't referring to Paradise Lost?

Swift was an atrocious writer. I mean his style was appalling. The subject matter is another matter entirely.

Then we'd have to refer to other social ills!