Fiancee coming from Ukraine...phase 2 of process?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Hello All:

I lovely Alla has recieved her visa and we are preparing for her to come here to the USA. Today we went through all what was necessary to bring her dog with her and we have all that. Now she has been told (I do not understand by whom) that she must have a document from the Ukrainian government saying she does not owe any taxes before she leavesthe country. Is this correct? Could someone be confusing a fiancee visa with an immigrant visa? (I know, in the end the result is the same, but still) I never heard of this. She does not owe taxes, that is not the problem. The problem will be in that she must spend MORE time waiting in lines and wierd office hours at an office she must travel quite a distance to.

I just never heard of this from anyone with a fiancee from Ukraine. If anyone can shed light on this I would appreciate it.

Thank you

Gary

[1HappyGuy 45]

I would try to find out the source of this allegation. It doesn't sound right to me. It is probably just someone who is trying to upset her.

[Scott and Iryna 2]

I just brought my girl over from Ukraine 2 weeks ago. Nothing like this was required of her. The information Alla received is incorrect.

But I do hope you have a better experience at Customs than we did. Our experience at JFK was terrible, and we were both treated poorly. But I read that most experiences there are fine.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I just brought my girl over from Ukraine 2 weeks ago. Nothing like this was required of her. The information Alla received is incorrect.

But I do hope you have a better experience at Customs than we did. Our experience at JFK was terrible, and we were both treated poorly. But I read that most experiences there are fine.

I hope our experience is better also. Sorry to hear that. If you could, I would aapreciate any information you have on that. I do not know who told her this. I asked and she tried to explain but we had a poor connection on my cell phone where I was at the time and did not understand. Only that she had to go to some office about 1-1/2 hours from her home with her internal passport and work record and recieve a document saying all taxes were paid. Apparently there is such a thing for SOME reason as she called this office and got information on what she needed and when they are open (Tuesday and Thursday 9am-1pm) and is planning to go there tomorrow. I never heard of such a thing and have spoken to many couples from Ukraine.

Incidentally, I just returned from there and next to me on the plane was a couple returning from Kiev and they had just received a fiancee visa. When we got to JFK she went to the "any passport" line and we (her fiancee and I) went to the US citizen line (he could have gone with her, why he didn't I don't know) but she got through before we did! She was waiting for us at the baggage carousel! She had no trouble at all.

Thanks for your help

Gary

[Ana&D 0]

I'm from Ukraine and never heard of such thing. And quite frankly, with all the unneeded burecracy we have here, I would say ignore it .

[payxibka 10,045]

Hello All:

I lovely Alla has recieved her visa and we are preparing for her to come here to the USA. Today we went through all what was necessary to bring her dog with her and we have all that. Now she has been told (I do not understand by whom) that she must have a document from the Ukrainian government saying she does not owe any taxes before she leavesthe country. Is this correct? Could someone be confusing a fiancee visa with an immigrant visa? (I know, in the end the result is the same, but still) I never heard of this. She does not owe taxes, that is not the problem. The problem will be in that she must spend MORE time waiting in lines and wierd office hours at an office she must travel quite a distance to.

I just never heard of this from anyone with a fiancee from Ukraine. If anyone can shed light on this I would appreciate it.

Thank you

Gary

There is a lot of hype and misinformation out there... she needs to treat all she hears "in country" with a grain of salt... There is no requirement to have any document or stamp.........

[1HappyGuy 45]

Can you have Alla send you a letter explaining this? Even if the letter is in Russian or Ukrainian would be okay. There are enough people connected here that can read it. Then just post it here and we'll try to figure this out. It just doesn't sound right.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Hello All:

I lovely Alla has recieved her visa and we are preparing for her to come here to the USA. Today we went through all what was necessary to bring her dog with her and we have all that. Now she has been told (I do not understand by whom) that she must have a document from the Ukrainian government saying she does not owe any taxes before she leavesthe country. Is this correct? Could someone be confusing a fiancee visa with an immigrant visa? (I know, in the end the result is the same, but still) I never heard of this. She does not owe taxes, that is not the problem. The problem will be in that she must spend MORE time waiting in lines and wierd office hours at an office she must travel quite a distance to.

I just never heard of this from anyone with a fiancee from Ukraine. If anyone can shed light on this I would appreciate it.

Thank you

Gary

There is a lot of hype and misinformation out there... she needs to treat all she hears "in country" with a grain of salt... There is no requirement to have any document or stamp.........

Thanks to all. It absolutely sounded funny to me, I have studied this for months and never heard of such a thing. I also lived in Ukraine for 2 years and I know every agency there is known for giving wrong information, to the point I quit asking questions, I never got correct answers. Alla called me. it was late by Ukraine time and I had a bad phone connection where I was and could not understand who it was that told her this. By the time I got to where I had a good cell phone signal I was sure she had gone to bed and did not want to disturb her. She was saying she was going to travel to this office tomorrow to get the document (she is afraid she will go to the airport and be turned back and we will lose our money for plane tickets). I will call her at 1am our time and tell her what I have found. I also called USCIS (the embassy in Kiev was already closed for the day) and they said she had everything she needs to come here and no one will stop her. I will call the visa section of the consulate also at 8am Ukraine time. Alla worries so much about this, I will just be glad when she arrives and can rest her mind.

When I get her on the phone again I will find out who told her this.

Thanks again to everyone

Gary

[ChuckandOlga 0]

Hello Gary and Alla,

If you need I have a translation program that I use to communicate with my Olga in Ukraine. I can translate it the best that I can for you if you need this help. The program I have will translate Russian and not the Ukrainian language.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Hello Gary and Alla,

If you need I have a translation program that I use to communicate with my Olga in Ukraine. I can translate it the best that I can for you if you need this help. The program I have will translate Russian and not the Ukrainian language.

Thank you Chuck:

Translation is not the problem. I have these programs also and also speak Russian (not very well...but, well enough to function living and working there for 2 years, and I read Russian much better than speak it) and Alla speaks English quite well. My problem was I work in a mountainous area and was in a bad area to understand her on the phone because of a poor cell phone signal. Cell phones are still an emerging technology here in Vermont.

Now it is 1:43 am here and I just spoke to Alla for more than an hour. She was told this by a passport agent at the airport. She just had a trip out of the country and when she returned she made the mistake (in my opinion, a mistake) of asking the person at passport control if she needed any other documents to travel to the USA besides her visa and passport. She said it turned into a 1 hour fiasco and finally after speaking to many people (maybe 10 she said) they finally told her she needed this tax document and it regards that she owns no car and no land and owes no taxes for these things. It is crazy! These people obviously do not know about what they speak! But now she is nervous. She is afraid she will try to leave the country and they will ask for these things and she will not have them and does not know what to do. I told her to ignore this, but she will go for this office today and receive this document so she will have peace of mind. I know her, and she would be a nervous wreck thinking she did not have something she needed. So, as much as it is BS, now that she has this in her head, she will need this document just so she can sleep at night. Crazy. I asked her, please, do not be doing this, it will only make her nervous and worried and assured her she has everything she needs. If she speaks to 10 people who do not know what they are talking about, she will get 10 different answers and run around the country trying to have a document for every idiot she could possibly encounter when she gets on the airplane. She also said she thinks she remembers reading something about this at the place where she had the medical exam, but maybe it is for another type of visa, I do not know. I never heard of such a thing for a fiancee visa.

But we have decided she will fly to the USA on Sept. 11, but I will wait until at least tomorrow to buy the ticket when she has these documents. I will be SOOOOOOOOOOOO glad when this is over and she is here! (I know, it is not over, I must do the AOS, but at least I can handle that here myself) And let me be clear, Alla is the most wonderful and beautiful woman in the world (sorry to all those guys who think THEIR fiancee is the most wonderful and beautiful...you are mistaken ) But she worries about everything and trusts NO ONE in government and is sure someone will be waiting to prevent her from leaving the country. She said, perhaps if she was younger she would feel more freedom, but she has had too many bad experiences in the past and just worries a lot that what she dreams of will be taken away. I think it is my most sincere wish that she will arrive here and have a quiet life and learn to trust that "all is OK" and have "inner rest".

Thanks to everyone for your help.

Gary

[johnichka 0]

Hello Gary and Alla,

If you need I have a translation program that I use to communicate with my Olga in Ukraine. I can translate it the best that I can for you if you need this help. The program I have will translate Russian and not the Ukrainian language.

Thank you Chuck:

Translation is not the problem. I have these programs also and also speak Russian (not very well...but, well enough to function living and working there for 2 years, and I read Russian much better than speak it) and Alla speaks English quite well. My problem was I work in a mountainous area and was in a bad area to understand her on the phone because of a poor cell phone signal. Cell phones are still an emerging technology here in Vermont.

Now it is 1:43 am here and I just spoke to Alla for more than an hour. She was told this by a passport agent at the airport. She just had a trip out of the country and when she returned she made the mistake (in my opinion, a mistake) of asking the person at passport control if she needed any other documents to travel to the USA besides her visa and passport. She said it turned into a 1 hour fiasco and finally after speaking to many people (maybe 10 she said) they finally told her she needed this tax document and it regards that she owns no car and no land and owes no taxes for these things. It is crazy! These people obviously do not know about what they speak! But now she is nervous. She is afraid she will try to leave the country and they will ask for these things and she will not have them and does not know what to do. I told her to ignore this, but she will go for this office today and receive this document so she will have peace of mind. I know her, and she would be a nervous wreck thinking she did not have something she needed. So, as much as it is BS, now that she has this in her head, she will need this document just so she can sleep at night. Crazy. I asked her, please, do not be doing this, it will only make her nervous and worried and assured her she has everything she needs. If she speaks to 10 people who do not know what they are talking about, she will get 10 different answers and run around the country trying to have a document for every idiot she could possibly encounter when she gets on the airplane. She also said she thinks she remembers reading something about this at the place where she had the medical exam, but maybe it is for another type of visa, I do not know. I never heard of such a thing for a fiancee visa.

But we have decided she will fly to the USA on Sept. 11, but I will wait until at least tomorrow to buy the ticket when she has these documents. I will be SOOOOOOOOOOOO glad when this is over and she is here! (I know, it is not over, I must do the AOS, but at least I can handle that here myself) And let me be clear, Alla is the most wonderful and beautiful woman in the world (sorry to all those guys who think THEIR fiancee is the most wonderful and beautiful...you are mistaken ) But she worries about everything and trusts NO ONE in government and is sure someone will be waiting to prevent her from leaving the country. She said, perhaps if she was younger she would feel more freedom, but she has had too many bad experiences in the past and just worries a lot that what she dreams of will be taken away. I think it is my most sincere wish that she will arrive here and have a quiet life and learn to trust that "all is OK" and have "inner rest".

Thanks to everyone for your help.

Gary

Bottom line is: she has a visa - yes?? So, once a visa is issued, the US Customs Officials could give two hoots about what she owes, what shes owns, or anything else. You are over playing the complexity of this process. Once she has the Visa, she is good to go. I can give you any number of girls with phone numbers that she can call, if she does not belive you.

John

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Hello Gary and Alla,

If you need I have a translation program that I use to communicate with my Olga in Ukraine. I can translate it the best that I can for you if you need this help. The program I have will translate Russian and not the Ukrainian language.

Thank you Chuck:

Translation is not the problem. I have these programs also and also speak Russian (not very well...but, well enough to function living and working there for 2 years, and I read Russian much better than speak it) and Alla speaks English quite well. My problem was I work in a mountainous area and was in a bad area to understand her on the phone because of a poor cell phone signal. Cell phones are still an emerging technology here in Vermont.

Now it is 1:43 am here and I just spoke to Alla for more than an hour. She was told this by a passport agent at the airport. She just had a trip out of the country and when she returned she made the mistake (in my opinion, a mistake) of asking the person at passport control if she needed any other documents to travel to the USA besides her visa and passport. She said it turned into a 1 hour fiasco and finally after speaking to many people (maybe 10 she said) they finally told her she needed this tax document and it regards that she owns no car and no land and owes no taxes for these things. It is crazy! These people obviously do not know about what they speak! But now she is nervous. She is afraid she will try to leave the country and they will ask for these things and she will not have them and does not know what to do. I told her to ignore this, but she will go for this office today and receive this document so she will have peace of mind. I know her, and she would be a nervous wreck thinking she did not have something she needed. So, as much as it is BS, now that she has this in her head, she will need this document just so she can sleep at night. Crazy. I asked her, please, do not be doing this, it will only make her nervous and worried and assured her she has everything she needs. If she speaks to 10 people who do not know what they are talking about, she will get 10 different answers and run around the country trying to have a document for every idiot she could possibly encounter when she gets on the airplane. She also said she thinks she remembers reading something about this at the place where she had the medical exam, but maybe it is for another type of visa, I do not know. I never heard of such a thing for a fiancee visa.

But we have decided she will fly to the USA on Sept. 11, but I will wait until at least tomorrow to buy the ticket when she has these documents. I will be SOOOOOOOOOOOO glad when this is over and she is here! (I know, it is not over, I must do the AOS, but at least I can handle that here myself) And let me be clear, Alla is the most wonderful and beautiful woman in the world (sorry to all those guys who think THEIR fiancee is the most wonderful and beautiful...you are mistaken ) But she worries about everything and trusts NO ONE in government and is sure someone will be waiting to prevent her from leaving the country. She said, perhaps if she was younger she would feel more freedom, but she has had too many bad experiences in the past and just worries a lot that what she dreams of will be taken away. I think it is my most sincere wish that she will arrive here and have a quiet life and learn to trust that "all is OK" and have "inner rest".

Thanks to everyone for your help.

Gary

Bottom line is: she has a visa - yes?? So, once a visa is issued, the US Customs Officials could give two hoots about what she owes, what shes owns, or anything else. You are over playing the complexity of this process. Once she has the Visa, she is good to go. I can give you any number of girls with phone numbers that she can call, if she does not belive you.

John

Thank you John:

You are correct. I am sure of this. I have contacted everyone, even the consulate in Kiev. Of course they work with the government of Ukraine and said if such things were required for a Ulrainian citizen to leave the country they would require it be done for the interview. It is absolutely BS!!!!!!! My fiancee needs nothing more than her passport and visa to leave Ukraine and come here. Alla has already received these "tax" documents, both of which required her to pay a small bribe in order to get them in less than the "three weeks" always given as the answer to receive any damn thing from the government. 50 grivnya to the clerk and suddenly she can have the document in 20 minutes. Alla went and got these useless documents anyway as she became nervous. Alla has been through a lot there in her life. She has been disappointed many times by people and government and now that she is "living a fairy tale" she is sure something will come along before she can leave to ruin her dreams. She simply does not want to take any chances and spent two days running around on buses and trolleys in 100+ temperatures to get this stuff. There was no talking her out of it. Now she has them, I told her not to be asking any more questions and opening cans of worms, she has all she needs. 3 weeks and she will be here! The night of our successful interview, she broke down crying, partly from relief and partly because she is worried "it was too easy" nothing important is ever that easy, in her opinion (I didn't think it was so easy, I prepared all the documents!) and she fears there is another shoe to drop. When will the problems come? Don't get me wrong, she is the most wonderful woman in the world, but she has been conditioned to disappointment.

I lived there for two years and never saw such a mess of beauracracy who have NO CLUE what they are doing or what the answers to questions are. Sorry, I do not mean to offend any Ukrainians...I love Ukraine. I absolutely had the time of my life working there, it was the greatest adventure of my life and I have had many, the PEOPLE are wonderful and hospitable and have a fantastic outlook on life, but working with the government at any level was nothing by pure frustration and confusion.

So, I hoped to get answers here (I did) that would save her two days or trekking around in the heat (like she doesn't have enough to do preparing to move out of country) but in the end she needed to do this for peace of mind. Now she is "glad" and promises not to worry about it...until she gets to the airport and then to the passport control when she might faint! I may just end up going to get her. I have brought back her things on my last two trips and she was sure she could make this trip herself and I will meet her in NYC after her non-stop flight (how could she get lost?) We will see.

Thanks for everyone's help.

Gary