Huckabee: "I have no fear to go to Israel ... I felt more fear in American cities"

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No man - they couldn't even do that in the UK. We had the infamous Sus laws in the 60's where the police could stop and search people on the streets.

Unfortunately the police tended to stop black people because it was assumed that they were responsible for the crime. Because statistics don't apply to individuals and law-abiding citizens get offended when they're wrongly singled out for "the treatment" - the policy was abolished.

I certainly don't think you'd get away with that sort of thing in the EU - it would be challenged under European Law.

Edited August 18, 2008 by Number 6

[HAL 9000 96]

Now many of these arbitrary, prone-to-discrimination 'random' stops that are inherently capable of actually violating civil rights are being replaced with intelligently-placed video surveillance systems. As a result there is noticeable, yet still unsignificant, decreases in crime rates in the areas proximal to the surveillance equipment, and police are better able to respond with speed in more areas due to more rapid response capabilities.

Like in the UK and elsewhere.

[chri'stina 190]

He's scared of all the commie hippie atheists in America. That is why he feels safer in the Holy Land...

Oh, c'mon. You know and I know which group statements like that are really targeted at.

Hint: they're not athiest hippies.

True, hehe.

What labels would be the opposite of the commie hippie kind? I want to know so I can call myself that all the time.

Fascist totalitarian zealots, I'd imagine

Good combo of labels

[Heracles 417]

No man - they couldn't even do that in the UK. We had the infamous Sus laws in the 60's where the police could stop and search people on the streets.

Unfortunately the police tended to stop black people because it was assumed that they were responsible for the crime.

I certainly don't think you'd get away with that sort of thing in the EU - it would be challenged under European Law.

The thing is that there is not really a need for that there. Yet post 9/11 proved that the police have the power to enforce the law there, if need be. I have been to a number of European cities and never felt like, "#### I am going to get jumped now". If people had to live in a similar fashion as mentioned earlier there would be a crack down. Let alone if there was a shooting reported every single night. This is a joke for a civilized country.

I have traveled to a number of nations, including 3rd world nations, and would have to agree with Huckabee. That the US is one of few places where I feel I have to watch out for myself. Where if you piss the wrong person off he has no hesitation in killing you. Thiss is a product of the power being in the criminals hands.

The status quo in the US says something considering Australia was once a convict colony and is no friend of police states. Yet they understand that one has to draw the line somewhere and balance inconvenience with freedom to live. Freedom to live without fear of being a victim of violence of crime.

Edited August 18, 2008 by Aficionado

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Maybe its all about attitude. I don't seem to have the same fears as you do here- and I live in "the inner city."

[Scott & Lai 12]

The most basic human right is to be able to live without fear of harm.

The ALCU does not care about that. To them it is all about their warped perception of rights. They use laws written in the 18th century to defend actions of the 21st. Even the most liberal of liberal professors I know back in Australia always ridicules the ACLU and their lack of perception, of reality.

I'll give the ALCU a news flash.. Most people living in OECD democratic nations have rights. The huge difference is that people's security and right to live comes first. So, for example, if there is a ghetto, a region, which criminals endanger people's lives; the police have the right and power to act. Not the other way round, as is the case in the US of A.

Oh, I agree with you about the ACLU. Where I'd differ is about the 18th century laws being the problem, laws which were written to protect citizens from governmental abuses. The problem is not those laws themselves, but how they are being applied. The Constitution was never intended to allow criminals to prey upon decent members of society.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No man - they couldn't even do that in the UK. We had the infamous Sus laws in the 60's where the police could stop and search people on the streets.

Unfortunately the police tended to stop black people because it was assumed that they were responsible for the crime.

I certainly don't think you'd get away with that sort of thing in the EU - it would be challenged under European Law.

The thing is that there is not really a need for that there. Yet post 9/11 proved that the police have the power to enforce the law there, if need be. I have been to a number of European cities and never felt like, "#### I am going to get jumped now". If people had to live in a similar fashion as mentioned earlier there would be a crack down. Let alone if there was a shooting reported every single night. This is a joke for a civilized country.

I have traveled to a number of nations, including 3rd world nations, and would have to agree with Huckabee. That the US is one of few places where I feel I have to watch out for myself. Where if you piss the wrong person off he has no hesitation in killing you. Thiss is a product of the power being in the criminals hands.

The status quo in the US says something considering Australia was once a convict colony and is no friend of police states. Yet they understand that one has to draw the line somewhere and balance inconvenience with freedom to live. Freedom to live without fear of being a victim of violence of crime.

There are places in the UK (council estates), certain districts of Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester and London that are pretty much no go areas - and there's a fair likelihood of being jumped after dark.

Unfortunately the police go overboard when you give them too many powers - as we saw in the case of the Brazilian electrician who got his head blown off on the London subway 5 times over - due to a case of mistaken identity.

The biggest problem in regard to crime is in economic disparities - its no surprise that crime ridden areas tend to be impoverished. But this is a discussion we've had many times before.

Edited August 18, 2008 by Number 6

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No man - they couldn't even do that in the UK. We had the infamous Sus laws in the 60's where the police could stop and search people on the streets.

Unfortunately the police tended to stop black people because it was assumed that they were responsible for the crime.

I certainly don't think you'd get away with that sort of thing in the EU - it would be challenged under European Law.

The thing is that there is not really a need for that there. Yet post 9/11 proved that the police have the power to enforce the law there, if need be. I have been to a number of European cities and never felt like, "#### I am going to get jumped now". If people had to live in a similar fashion as mentioned earlier there would be a crack down. Let alone if there was a shooting reported every single night. This is a joke for a civilized country.

I have traveled to a number of nations, including 3rd world nations, and would have to agree with Huckabee. That the US is one of few places where I feel I have to watch out for myself. Where if you piss the wrong person off he has no hesitation in killing you. Thiss is a product of the power being in the criminals hands.

The status quo in the US says something considering Australia was once a convict colony and is no friend of police states. Yet they understand that one has to draw the line somewhere and balance inconvenience with freedom to live. Freedom to live without fear of being a victim of violence of crime.

There are places in the UK (council estates), certain districts of Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester and London that are pretty much no go areas - and there's a fair likelihood of being jumped after dark.

Unfortunately the police go overboard when you give them too many powers - as we saw in the case of the Brazilian electrician who got his head blown off on the London subway 5 times over - due to a case of mistaken identity.

The biggest problem in regard to crime is in economic disparities - its no surprise that crime ridden areas tend to be impoverished. But this is a discussion we've had many times before.

In that poor chap's case I'd call it profiling gone nuts... in other people's cases I'd call it mugging by attitude.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

He speaks the truth.

Why do you hate America?

[almaty 19]

lol...

[HAL 9000 96]

He speaks the truth.

Why do you hate America?

Prepare to be mugged.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Prepare to be mugged.

[IAMX 3,055]

I have traveled to a number of nations, including 3rd world nations, and would have to agree with Huckabee. That the US is one of few places where I feel I have to watch out for myself. Where if you piss the wrong person off he has no hesitation in killing you. Thiss is a product of the power being in the criminals hands.

It must really suck where you live, or you must be pretty damn careless where you go.

For the most part, I feel safe in the SF Bay Area (Penninsula/Silicon Valley area), with an exception to a few well-known parts.

The only thing I really have to fear is crazy people with guns. Moreso now that SF is going to have (or already has) it's gun ban reversed. Is part of your police state plan to ban guns?

Mostly I find those who are in the most trouble either don't pay attention or have a habit of getting into fights with the wrong people. Police here is adequate, plenty of peaceful, working class neighborhoods for those who want to enjoy their surroundings and raise a family. If you want a bunch of cheap ### houses, and live in the urban areas here, you might consider an alarm system and putting bars on your door and windows.

This thing about America not being safe is true of certain areas, but not of the country as a whole.

Given the suicide attacks and constant fears of suicide attacks in Israel, I have no ###### idea how one could even perceive that to be safer. An old friend of mine who lived in Haifa had people down the street from him who had a rocket hit their house. Several people dead. They moved out pretty quickly.

I was watching the national news the other night and noticed how an African American family has to sleep in the middle of the house at night out of fear of being shot. Every night they need to move the mattresses there out of the fear from the gun fire. The streets are reminiscent of Congo.

The police are now trying to crack down and get back the streets. Guess who has come to the rescue, good old ACLU. Saying the police's crack down "is unconstitutional". #### the family living in fear sleeping in the middle of the house right.

Depends on what it was the ACLU was criticizing. If people's rights were being hindered, the ACLU was correct. If the police are doing normal police duty, there's no problems. Where do those black people live? I've heard of this sort of thing in the worst areas of Los Angeles, or in East Palo Alto, or Richmond.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Prepare to be mugged.

Thank you, sis.

[Heracles 417]

It must really suck where you live, or you must be pretty damn careless where you go.

For the most part, I feel safe in the SF Bay Area (Penninsula/Silicon Valley area), with an exception to a few well-known parts.

The only thing I really have to fear is crazy people with guns. Moreso now that SF is going to have (or already has) it's gun ban reversed. Is part of your police state plan to ban guns?

Mostly I find those who are in the most trouble either don't pay attention or have a habit of getting into fights with the wrong people. Police here is adequate, plenty of peaceful, working class neighborhoods for those who want to enjoy their surroundings and raise a family. If you want a bunch of cheap ### houses, and live in the urban areas here, you might consider an alarm system and putting bars on your door and windows.

This thing about America not being safe is true of certain areas, but not of the country as a whole.

Given the suicide attacks and constant fears of suicide attacks in Israel, I have no ###### idea how one could even perceive that to be safer. An old friend of mine who lived in Haifa had people down the street from him who had a rocket hit their house. Several people dead. They moved out pretty quickly.

Safe as in terms of being a victim of crime. Crime is out of control here when compared to other cities in OECD nations around the world. DC's crime rate is out of control. A shooting pretty much occurs every single day. I live in the DC area. I actually live in one of the richest, 2nd richest, counties in the country. Next to the richest, Fairfax; Which is next to DC.

The majority of cities around America are ghettoized; there is no ifs or buts about it. Sure there are nice pockets, "gated communities" (which I laugh at) here and there but there are also a hell of a lot of #### hole ghettos scattered throughout the country. As we know ghettos are hotspots for crime.

PS It is funny you mention CA because LA is the first and only pace I have been to where fast food, taco bell, was served to me through a bullet proof glass system. Where there is a process for me to access my food, using a two door system. The staff put my food into a compartment and then closed the door, in order for me to open a door at the other end to get my food. ####### is that... Taco bell in Congo...

Edited August 18, 2008 by Aficionado