CALLING ALL GOING THOUGH ISLAMABAD PAKISTAN- OFF TOPIC

[hafiz 1]

desis talk too much ###### lol

OH keya hogaya, apbhee tak visa nahee milla lol

[babybunny 2]

you are here Hafiz. I wanna know how the men in PK deal with it.

Javed is having a Melt down people!

[hafiz 1]

who else(meaning men) on this thread are stuck in pakistan.

[ae4ever 0]

He should be strong, eventhough it is really troubling. He has to become your strength. Everyone is different so there is no specific rule on how men deal with it in Pak.

[babybunny 2]

your not in PK ae4 and Hafiz.

this is to the men in PAKISTAN still. this question is diffrent because, they have a diffrent kind of immigration- point of view in the way that they are hearing things from other people. Men bringing over wives will have no problem after the interview because, their wife will be over. the visa will be issued. but, those men on AP. how do you cope dealing with this - from people around you?

[PSoft 0]

While browsing ‘DAWN’ site this morning I came across with following article I think it is good idea to share it with all of you.

US values and culture

THE US ambassador, Mr Ryan C. Crocker, attended a ceremony at the US-funded ACCESS English pilot project in Lahore recently (Dawn, July 8) and said a similar project would be initiated in Multan for 300 high school students.

According to him, learning English through a programme associated with the US consulate in Lahore would (among other benefits) also provide these students with a new window on American values and culture.

It is no secret that for the last few years the US has been overtly and covertly trying to impose its values and culture on Islamic countries in particular, along with the secularisation of their educational systems and polity. Dr Condoleezza Rice’s statement some time back that President Musharraf was carrying out the reforms Washington had wanted in Pakistan’s education sector confirms this.

The ambassador said this ‘new window’ would enhance trust and understanding between the two nations. The question is: why is the American government not taking similar pains to open windows amongst their own students enabling them to know about Islamic values the Muslims hold dear?

The Americans have a reputation in the world for generally not having interest in or knowledge about things happening outside the US borders. I have actually come across some educated and cultured coloured people from various countries, including Pakistan, who were asked by children in America whether they lived on trees back home. Similarly, when somebody told an American lady that he was from Pakistan, she thought it was a place in the US and asked him if the Greyhound bus went there.

The Pakistanis are quite aware of American values and culture. Apart from the positive aspects such as freedom, democracy, philanthropy, hard work, honesty, scientific methodology and equal opportunity, there are many negative ones as well. Drinking, drugs, living together without marrying, pre-marital sex even by teenagers, gay marriages, pornography, immodest dress and behaviour and irreverence are some examples.

When I first went to the US many years ago I was introduced to a married American woman in her early 30s by a friend. She was a military officer but was attending some university classes at the time and was living alone for that reason. One of her first questions was if I was married and I said no. Then, after a minute or so she asked me if I had any kids. Surprised, I reminder her I was still unmarried.

Not to be deterred, she persisted, “But you could still be having kids (by living with a woman).” Barely able to conceal the cultural shock it caused me, I replied, “Not in my country.” I realised she was trying to assess my values. Anyway, it also turned out that she was having an illicit relationship with a married man who was studying there and had left his family elsewhere. Another married woman in her mid-50s was chasing the man about 20 years younger, to satisfy her lust.

Thereafter, I happened to visit a wealthy American couple from the oil industry in Texas along with a common friend. During the meeting we also got introduced to their daughter aged around 20 and her rich immigrant-American boyfriend of about 28-30. The mother casually told us the two were going out on their first date, which made the girl look a little embarrassed. This was again something hardly any Pakistani parents would do even in this age of values compromised by the Hollywood and Bollywood cultures. Things have only aggravated with time.

Frankly, we are happy with our God-given values and don’t need to import what is totally alien to our nature, from America. Attempts to impose them on the world’s Muslims through dictators or other agents, as the US is wont to do to get its policies implemented in South America and the Middle East, for instance, will create more problems than they will solve, like the ongoing war on terror.

I have American friends and am a well-wisher of the US. Nor do I believe in forcing Islam upon anyone, except if they embrace it voluntarily through intellectual discussions, reading books or observing the personal examples set by its adherents, which is how it has become the fastest spreading religion.

[hafiz 1]

doo doo doo dooo

yaad naheen kyaa kyaa dekhaa thaa saare manzar bhuul ga aye

us kii galiyon se jab lautay apnaa bhii ghar bhuul gaye

so i guess i wont send that second RFE back aye.

salay meray 10 dollar kha ga ay

[babybunny 2]

That artical is DOO DOO

[hafiz 1]

lol

[PSoft 0]

doo doo doo dooo

yaad naheen kyaa kyaa dekhaa thaa saare manzar bhuul ga aye

us kii galiyon se jab lautay apnaa bhii ghar bhuul gaye

so i guess i wont send that second RFE back aye.

salay meray 10 dollar kha ga ay

Man don't worry U will be getting I-129f approval pretty soon

[babybunny 2]

I have been really depressed ever since friday. not resting like I should, unable to concentrate on things. it was a sharp blow to be told 4 security checks. for the life of me I cant figure why we clear on wed and back to the DOS on friday in 2 days. I cant explain it to javed. I am sure they are making us wait til we been married 2 years - that why they did this.

[PSoft 0]

I have been really depressed ever since friday. not resting like I should, unable to concentrate on things. it was a sharp blow to be told 4 security checks. for the life of me I cant figure why we clear on wed and back to the DOS on friday in 2 days. I cant explain it to javed. I am sure they are making us wait til we been married 2 years - that why they did this.

In my opinion it would be great if you just relocate to Pakistan for some time.

[babybunny 2]

why I tempt fate I will never know.

I called DOS. she mentioned 5 or 6 more security checks pending.

she confirmed again the security check cleared on July 6th.

when the CO got ready to issue the visa on July 7th it triggred more security checks. apprently the cable has some IF factor on there.

because, of this were not getting chit.

I dont think we will get anything til we been married over 2 years. thats my best guess. goes back to when Interviewed the Adjudicator said " javed wont be coming on k-3 " this statement was made 2 weeks after his interview. so I know now she put some hokey pokey on the petition. coding it with dubage. thats why after 6 months on AP. the thing CANCELLED on us. I still dont have a letter saying BTW, we cancelled that k-3 sucker.

[Omid 0]

I have been really depressed ever since friday. not resting like I should, unable to concentrate on things. it was a sharp blow to be told 4 security checks. for the life of me I cant figure why we clear on wed and back to the DOS on friday in 2 days. I cant explain it to javed. I am sure they are making us wait til we been married 2 years - that why they did this.

I'm sorry you're going through this Shon, have you even told Javed about this yet?

why I tempt fate I will never know.

I called DOS. she mentioned 5 or 6 more security checks pending.

she confirmed again the security check cleared on July 6th.

when the CO got ready to issue the visa on July 7th it triggred more security checks. apprently the cable has some IF factor on there.

because, of this were not getting chit.

I dont think we will get anything til we been married over 2 years. thats my best guess. goes back to when Interviewed the Adjudicator said " javed wont be coming on k-3 " this statement was made 2 weeks after his interview. so I know now she put some hokey pokey on the petition. coding it with dubage. thats why after 6 months on AP. the thing CANCELLED on us. I still dont have a letter saying BTW, we cancelled that k-3 sucker.

something's gotta give, someone you should be able to talk to, something! I wish I had some suggestions but I'm afraid I don't, believe me if there was any way to expedite this I would have already tried it on our own case

anyways, hang in there - Allah promises He won't give us more than we can bear - insha'Allah everything will work out.

[hafiz 1]

inshallah, wa ma tasha una illah ayen yasha allah.