Overdoing Evidence

[joshhodg 0]

I was wondering if they discourage too much evidence of ongoing relationship? I am planning on turning in one page of excerpts from conversations had every day for about 6-8 months. So just for evidence of ongoing relationship the packet would have around 200 pages. I just think this has to be overdoing it, but I really don't want to be issued an RFE?

[Yiyi and Chris 0]

I don't think anyone has ever gotten a RFE for "too much evidence"

[joshhodg 0]

yes I understand that but I am afraid of not giving enough evidence, and thinking I might go overboard. Is 200 pages of evidence too much?

[Neonred 3,553]

200 pages??? What? Are you nuts? Do you really think that anyone wants to see that?

Be a little realistic. For the K-1 submission we didn't send any of that type of evidence, just my plane tickets and visas and some receipts. For the embassy interview 4 or 5 pages of conversation and the same number of phone records and some letters and cards. That was more than enough.

[KC♥MP 0]

You can just send some copies that would cover the entire period of your relationship and the rest you can probably save it for the interview.You can also include other evidences like plane tickets, receipts, phone bills, letters and pictures. Good luck

[KimandRuss 0]

ummm we have 10 years of communication. I sent a few emails along with the petition because i'm a little crazy myself .... but, as mentioned above, proof of ongoing relationship is not even asked for at this point. Save it for your interview....and even then.. they probably wont even look at it. If you're that concerned.... take a few emails and send along with the petition.

note; At some higher fraud Consulates it's recommended to send supporting evidence with the initial application because it's often the only information the CO will see before reaching a decision on your case. Philippines does not seem to be one of those Consulates.

[pushbrk 12,824]

ummm we have 10 years of communication. I sent a few emails along with the petition because i'm a little crazy myself .... but, as mentioned above, proof of ongoing relationship is not even asked for at this point. Save it for your interview....and even then.. they probably wont even look at it. If you're that concerned.... take a few emails and send along with the petition.

note; At some higher fraud Consulates it's recommended to send supporting evidence with the initial application because it's often the only information the CO will see before reaching a decision on your case. Philippines does not seem to be one of those Consulates.

Well, Manila is a high fraud post, so if you want to go crazy and selectively send in one or two things that show good evidence of your relationship, like some pictures with family in the PI, or evidence of all previous visits, I'd say good idea.

Later, for the interview, I'd send one or two one-page emails exerpts for each month and a log of the rest. In our case, I just took some screen shots of my outlook inbox and sent folder sorted by sender and re3cipient. I also selectively took about 10 screen shots of us talking with the web cam, showing both cam images.

Specifically, "they" don't "discourage" people from doing what you're planning but they sure would if they could, and I strongly discourage it. They don't want to build a 200 page file and lug it around and some of them will be spitful enough about it to let it remain on the bottom of their inbox as long as they can procrastinate dealing with it.

[KimandRuss 0]

Yes, Manila is a high fraud post, but they dont seem to scrutinize the evidence the same way say GUZ or HCMC does.

In any case, 200 pages will probably make the adjuticator slip your file into someone else's box to deal with!

[pushbrk 12,824]

Yes, Manila is a high fraud post, but they dont seem to scrutinize the evidence the same way say GUZ or HCMC does.

In any case, 200 pages will probably make the adjuticator slip your file into someone else's box to deal with!

The main reason for submitting bona fides evidence with the petition is to cut the VO off at the pass in the case of any red flag issues. If USCIS has already seen the evidence, the VO isn't (theoretically) allowed to readjudicate the same issue. Of course they look at the bona fides at interview because a lot of time has passed but for red flag issues, it's best to cover them up front. Even then, be brief. You'd be surpised what can be concisely explained in an added paragraph or two of a letter of intent.

[KimandRuss 0]

yes, agreed, the point is to articulate yourself as briefly and as thoroughly as possible.

That being said, it might also be wise to add that sending too much evidence can not only piss off those viewing it but also may offer something that will send up a red flag even if your intention was to do opposite. Choose wisely.

[Yiyi and Chris 0]

Let us know what you decide to do...

[TBoneTX 45,089]

The main reason for submitting bona fides evidence with the petition is to cut the VO off at the pass in the case of any red flag issues. If USCIS has already seen the evidence, the VO isn't (theoretically) allowed to readjudicate the same issue. Of course they look at the bona fides at interview because a lot of time has passed but for red flag issues, it's best to cover them up front. [...]

This answer ought to be pinned atop every VJ thread that deals with any issue through and including the interview stage. It ought to be surrounded with flashing neon lights, and automatic browser-redirecting technology should be used so that everybody on VJ is required to see it. No actual or prospective filer should be allowed to post anything on VJ before READING and UNDERSTANDING the crucial, utter importance of the advice.

Most people on VJ haven't the slightest inkling of the unbridled power and 100% unaccountability of consular officers. Following pushbrk's advice UP FRONT is the only possible (but not guaranteed) way of cutting the COs off at the pass. Handling red flags in the USCIS stage could mean the difference between getting your visa at the first interview or getting a 221g or 212 refusal instead. I don't consider this recommendation to be too strong an alarm.

[pushbrk 12,824]

The main reason for submitting bona fides evidence with the petition is to cut the VO off at the pass in the case of any red flag issues. If USCIS has already seen the evidence, the VO isn't (theoretically) allowed to readjudicate the same issue. Of course they look at the bona fides at interview because a lot of time has passed but for red flag issues, it's best to cover them up front. [...]

This answer ought to be pinned atop every VJ thread that deals with any issue through and including the interview stage. It ought to be surrounded with flashing neon lights, and automatic browser-redirecting technology should be used so that everybody on VJ is required to see it. No actual or prospective filer should be allowed to post anything on VJ before READING and UNDERSTANDING the crucial, utter importance of the advice.

Most people on VJ haven't the slightest inkling of the unbridled power and 100% unaccountability of consular officers. Following pushbrk's advice UP FRONT is the only possible (but not guaranteed) way of cutting the COs off at the pass. Handling red flags in the USCIS stage could mean the difference between getting your visa at the first interview or getting a 221g or 212 refusal instead. I don't consider this recommendation to be too strong an alarm.

Catch 22 is many people don't know they have red flags until it's too late.

[TBoneTX 45,089]

Catch 22 is many people don't know they have red flags until it's too late.

True... one of those people here... and the consular officers can invent all the red flags that they want -- before, during, and after the interviews.

[joshhodg 0]

Well thanks for the help, I will try to cut down my evidence to just about 5 pages. I am just not quite sure how I am going to do that. The problem is I didn't know about any of this when i proposed to her so I don't have any of the receipts from the Philippines, not even the plane tickets.