Georgia/Russia Conflict

[Ilya R. 0]

Kick the bear (not poke the bear) is the ticket. Obama-esque dialogue will NEVER be taken seriously by Russia. They respect only strength. They threaten to point nukes at Warsaw? We will point nukes at Moscow. Aim missiles at Prague? Good, we were looking for a reason to aim at Novgorod. They won't like it, but they will listen after that.

History doesn't back you up on this. Ronald Reagan is given a lot of credit for taking down the Soviet Union, but the strongest words he ever used with them was his "take down this wall" speech. But that was after 2 very historic summits wherein Reagan and Gorbechev simply sat down and talked to each other. Granted the USSR was headed towards collapse anyway, but those 2 summits did more for world peace than just about anything else.

Russia really doesn't want war, but they're not about to allow NATO to completely surround them. And honestly, can you blame them? The US has been acting like a colonial power for the last 8 years. If I were Russian, I would not trust the US or NATO at all. So it's only natural that they're going to posture. The trick for the US then is going to be to convince the Russians that we really are their friends, and that can only be done through dialogue.

For this group, it shouldn't be hard to understand this. When you need something from your Russian girl, what works best...a direct confrontation, or something a little more subtle? The Russian character responds much better to subtlety.

Yeah what did you get from her? Her knocked from another guy.

Russians admire power and strength. They think the west is weak and always will back down. Australia has decided that they cease exports of Uranium to Russia. Canada will do the same soon. Russia will have to kiss Kazakhstan's bum to get resources. Every Russian elite have spoken to, thinks the world needs Russia more than they need tthem. They have only 17 more years of oil left based on present reserves. They have hyper inflation and fragile banking system and housing bubble that is going to make the sub prime look small. The west have to unite and be strong. They are expecting us to be weak and can freeze us out.

Your sources are of the wall. Just using common sense, by looking at the map you'd figure 70% of Russia is still untouched, alot of new Oil reserves have been found. 17 Years might be left without any new development of land, but they are always finding new reserves. One in Siberia that BP is infrastructuring, and plus just few weeks ago on the bottom of Lake Baikal, they might have found the biggest oil reserve ever found. Plus Russia is on good terms with Kazakhstan, but even if they werent they mine about 10% of world's Uranium. Which is enough to support all of their Nuclear stations and weapons enrichment. But Canada and Aussies do have the biggest reserves.

[1HappyGuy 45]

Ilya R,

I figured you would think that my dismissal of the "reliable source" was something anti-Putin or anti-Russian. But then, you expect me to accept this source as genuine. It's just like I said, just another opinion. In events like this the truth is somehow buried in all the various reports.

[Ilya R. 0]

Ilya R,

I figured you would think that my dismissal of the "reliable source" was something anti-Putin or anti-Russian. But then, you expect me to accept this source as genuine. It's just like I said, just another opinion. In events like this the truth is somehow buried in all the various reports.

Well some of things just dont req sources, you could just find out for yourself if you dont believe what the poster is saying. But I agree with you that alot of truth is buried in different reports.

[Bobalouie 0]

Kick the bear (not poke the bear) is the ticket. Obama-esque dialogue will NEVER be taken seriously by Russia. They respect only strength. They threaten to point nukes at Warsaw? We will point nukes at Moscow. Aim missiles at Prague? Good, we were looking for a reason to aim at Novgorod. They won't like it, but they will listen after that.

History doesn't back you up on this. Ronald Reagan is given a lot of credit for taking down the Soviet Union, but the strongest words he ever used with them was his "take down this wall" speech. But that was after 2 very historic summits wherein Reagan and Gorbechev simply sat down and talked to each other. Granted the USSR was headed towards collapse anyway, but those 2 summits did more for world peace than just about anything else.

Russia really doesn't want war, but they're not about to allow NATO to completely surround them. And honestly, can you blame them? The US has been acting like a colonial power for the last 8 years. If I were Russian, I would not trust the US or NATO at all. So it's only natural that they're going to posture. The trick for the US then is going to be to convince the Russians that we really are their friends, and that can only be done through dialogue.

For this group, it shouldn't be hard to understand this. When you need something from your Russian girl, what works best...a direct confrontation, or something a little more subtle? The Russian character responds much better to subtlety.

Yeah what did you get from her? Her knocked from another guy.

Russians admire power and strength. They think the west is weak and always will back down. Australia has decided that they cease exports of Uranium to Russia. Canada will do the same soon. Russia will have to kiss Kazakhstan's bum to get resources. Every Russian elite have spoken to, thinks the world needs Russia more than they need tthem. They have only 17 more years of oil left based on present reserves. They have hyper inflation and fragile banking system and housing bubble that is going to make the sub prime look small. The west have to unite and be strong. They are expecting us to be weak and can freeze us out.

Your sources are of the wall. Just using common sense, by looking at the map you'd figure 70% of Russia is still untouched, alot of new Oil reserves have been found. 17 Years might be left without any new development of land, but they are always finding new reserves. One in Siberia that BP is infrastructuring, and plus just few weeks ago on the bottom of Lake Baikal, they might have found the biggest oil reserve ever found. Plus Russia is on good terms with Kazakhstan, but even if they werent they mine about 10% of world's Uranium. Which is enough to support all of their Nuclear stations and weapons enrichment. But Canada and Aussies do have the biggest reserves.

Yea, they have reserves, but they are NOT looking for new ones like they should. The 17 years is a vaild number that has been reported in various circles even here in the oil industry (where I work). That 17 year figure is based on current proven reserves AND the rate at which they are finding new ones. The simple fact is that they are not looking hard enough or fast enough. They can if they want to, but they are not doing it now.

[Ilya R. 0]

I guess its human nature, wait till you lose something until you start to appreciate it.

[Mags 112]

Yeah what did you get from her? Her knocked from another guy.

Russians admire power and strength. They think the west is weak and always will back down. Australia has decided that they cease exports of Uranium to Russia. Canada will do the same soon. Russia will have to kiss Kazakhstan's bum to get resources. Every Russian elite have spoken to, thinks the world needs Russia more than they need tthem. They have only 17 more years of oil left based on present reserves. They have hyper inflation and fragile banking system and housing bubble that is going to make the sub prime look small. The west have to unite and be strong. They are expecting us to be weak and can freeze us out.

Korat ~ Personal attacks will not be tolerated on VJ. Back off or face suspension.

[Ilya R. 0]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080907/ap_on_.../georgia_russia

Here we Go again, Saak will not rest until WW3 is here.

[Fedup 0]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080907/ap_on_.../georgia_russia

Here we Go again, Saak will not rest until WW3 is here.

Could not resist posting this, really funny:

And this one is great, but you need to know Russian to get it:

[Ilya R. 0]

Ya,

Potomu chto nikto ne hochet zahvata Kremlya!

[slim 1,514]

If it aint on Fox, it aint true!