No stopping us, Mexicans say

[chocolaterie 0]

Associated Press

May. 18, 2006 01:20 PM

NOGALES, Mexico - Mexicans say it will take more than three layers of fence and 6,000 National Guard troops to keep them out of the United States.

As President Bush visited the stretch of Arizona desert Thursday that serves as a cactus-studded freeway for thousands of undocumented migrants, those preparing to make the perilous trip said they will find a way around almost any obstacle.

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing," said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to cross and deported.

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Increased security will likely only serve to make smuggling fees more expensive and drive immigrants deeper into debt, making them even more desperate to make it north.

As a tired, bedraggled column of deportees filed across a Nogales border bridge Thursday - just as Bush was giving a speech on border security west of here - some migrants were already furiously dialing cell phones to contact immigrant smugglers for their next attempt.

"Of course we'll cross again. We're just waiting for them to come and pick us up," said Javier Torres, 22, of Cuiliacan, Sinaloa. Just 100 yards away, vans of the kind used by smugglers waited under an underpass to pick up groups of deportees.

The deportees were greeted on the Mexican side by Martin Doriane, who for the last four years has surveyed returning migrants for the Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

Doraine says at least 95 percent of migrants caught and deported say they'll try again, in part because they've sold everything they own in Mexico to pay increasingly expensive and sophisticated smuggling efforts to overcome tightened border security.

"They say, 'I had a roof and a frying pan in Mexico, but I sold both to come north, and went into debt, so what do I have to return to?' " Doraine said.

One of the deportees, Maria del Carmen Valadez, brought her 12-year-old son, Julio Cesar Castaneda, on the dangerous two-day trek through the desert. The boy hungrily ate a taco Doriane gave him as his mother acknowledged "it is a risk" to bring a child on such a dangerous trip.

"I did it to give him a different life," said Valadez, of Fresnillo in Zacatecas in northern Mexico. She said she'll probably try to cross again, because in her home town, "there's nothing but poverty."

That sense of desperation - and determination - is everywhere.

On Monday, a detained woman told agents she had left her 3-year-old son dead in the desert.

The proposed 370 miles of triple-layer fencing, approved by the Senate Wednesday, as well as Bush's plan to send National Guard troops to play supporting roles in border enforcement have raised tempers and tensions here.

"Somebody is going to start shooting, and then there will be problems between the two countries," predicted Santana, the Tijuana truck driver.

Mexico's government has expressed concern about the wall and National Guard proposals, saying they aren't the way to solve problems of border security and illegal migration north.

"Most countries want to bring their people together and tear down physical, commercial and cultural barriers," presidential spokesman Ruben Aguilar said Thursday. "Anyone who proposes separating them is out of line. Walls are a sign of distrust, and that will never be the basis of a good friendship between two countries."

The Senate measure includes provisions that would give some undocumented immigrants a path toward citizenship and allow more people to work temporarily in the United States.

But Santana said he saw no advances in the sweeping reform package.

"There will always be more people wanting to come," he said. "It will always be like this."

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[peejay 327]

NOGALES, Mexico - Mexicans say it will take more than three layers of fence and 6,000 National Guard troops to keep them out of the United States.

The illegals and the illegal wanna bees have nothing to fear. I'm quite sure our President, Congress, and Big Business will water down any legislation with loopholes and deceive the American people to do so. America Incorporated LLC will win in the end if we let them.

I just got back home from my job offshore this afternoon after staying on a jackup boat for a week while a construction crew is refurbing our production platform. Half of the construction crew is illegal and the ones that have passable English actually admitted it to me. This is nothing new...I see it all the time. Even out there in the USA Gulf of Mexico oil fields with oil at $70 a bbl. the oil companies and their contractors must hire illegals to be profitable? Jobs Americans won't do? The other half of the crew are American. I wonder if they make the wages they really should be getting paid?

Thousands of miles of fences and hundreds of thousands of troops are useless if our government refuses to enforce the law in the interior and laws already on the books. Why pass new laws (comprehensive immigration reform)? So Big Business can keep their cheap workers and ensure plenty more in the future. That is the bottom line.

As for me...I don't believe their lies or their sincerity. Enforcement first!

[Ladylethal 12]

*sigh* Can't they use all this persistence to force their government to be better?

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

*sigh* Can't they use all this persistence to force their government to be better?

yeah, just like everywhere else on earth, including the USA. quite simple to change how gov't works.

not that i disagree that the idea would be ideal.

Daniel

:energetic:

[Ladylethal 12]

I'm not saying it's easy, but instead of adding problems to another country they should stand for their own country. Patriotism!

I know I would never leave Brasil in persuit of a better life in US if I had a different story. Heck, till Luis proposed to me I never considered going to US, I thought that if we ever got married it'd be here and we'd stay here, but he said he can't come and have me support him and not being able to provide for us so he said come here instead (and it's not even US as he's puerto rican).

[Fandango 1,440]

Associated Press

May. 18, 2006 01:20 PM

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing," said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to cross and deported.

irony

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

you may never have emigrated for the betterment of your economic well being, but throughout human history that has the been the case for billions of folks.

patriotism is a very noble cause, but for many, putting food on the table/avoiding wars/providing opportunity for their children/etc.. trumps patriotism.

Daniel

:energetic:

Associated Press

May. 18, 2006 01:20 PM

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing," said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to cross and deported.

irony

I tell ya, the VJ hos would a killing down there!

Daniel

:energetic:

[almaty 19]

you may never have emigrated for the betterment of your economic well being, but throughout human history that has the been the case for billions of folks.

patriotism is a very noble cause, but for many, putting food on the table/avoiding wars/providing opportunity for their children/etc.. trumps patriotism.

Daniel

:energetic:

Associated Press

May. 18, 2006 01:20 PM

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing," said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to cross and deported.

irony

I tell ya, the VJ hos would a killing down there!

Daniel

:energetic:

no doubt..one last one before i cross the fence...

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

you may never have emigrated for the betterment of your economic well being, but throughout human history that has the been the case for billions of folks.

patriotism is a very noble cause, but for many, putting food on the table/avoiding wars/providing opportunity for their children/etc.. trumps patriotism.

Daniel

:energetic:

Associated Press

May. 18, 2006 01:20 PM

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing," said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to cross and deported.

irony

I tell ya, the VJ hos would a killing down there!

Daniel

:energetic:

no doubt..one last one before i cross the fence...

ooohhh excellent slogan for the business!

Daniel

:energetic:

[almaty 19]

you may never have emigrated for the betterment of your economic well being, but throughout human history that has the been the case for billions of folks.

patriotism is a very noble cause, but for many, putting food on the table/avoiding wars/providing opportunity for their children/etc.. trumps patriotism.

Daniel

:energetic:

Associated Press

May. 18, 2006 01:20 PM

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing," said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to cross and deported.

irony

I tell ya, the VJ hos would a killing down there!

Daniel

:energetic:

no doubt..one last one before i cross the fence...

ooohhh excellent slogan for the business!

Daniel

:energetic:

i like it also sale maps////

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

you may never have emigrated for the betterment of your economic well being, but throughout human history that has the been the case for billions of folks.

patriotism is a very noble cause, but for many, putting food on the table/avoiding wars/providing opportunity for their children/etc.. trumps patriotism.

Daniel

:energetic:

Associated Press

May. 18, 2006 01:20 PM

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing," said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to cross and deported.

irony

I tell ya, the VJ hos would a killing down there!

Daniel

:energetic:

no doubt..one last one before i cross the fence...

ooohhh excellent slogan for the business!

Daniel

:energetic:

i like it also sale maps////

can also sell advertisement time for immigration lawyers. you know, strategically position posters. temporary tatoos on the VJ hos, the piped in music gets interrupted by the "sponsors" words, etc...

Daniel

:energetic:

[almaty 19]

you may never have emigrated for the betterment of your economic well being, but throughout human history that has the been the case for billions of folks.

patriotism is a very noble cause, but for many, putting food on the table/avoiding wars/providing opportunity for their children/etc.. trumps patriotism.

Daniel

:energetic:

Associated Press

May. 18, 2006 01:20 PM

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing," said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to cross and deported.

irony

I tell ya, the VJ hos would a killing down there!

Daniel

:energetic:

no doubt..one last one before i cross the fence...

ooohhh excellent slogan for the business!

Daniel

:energetic:

i like it also sale maps////

can also sell advertisement time for immigration lawyers. you know, strategically position posters. temporary tatoos on the VJ hos, the piped in music gets interrupted by the "sponsors" words, etc...

Daniel

:energetic:

great idea!....also, work on the other side of the border..all the horney national guardsmen.....

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

you may never have emigrated for the betterment of your economic well being, but throughout human history that has the been the case for billions of folks.

patriotism is a very noble cause, but for many, putting food on the table/avoiding wars/providing opportunity for their children/etc.. trumps patriotism.

Daniel

:energetic:

Associated Press

May. 18, 2006 01:20 PM

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing," said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to cross and deported.

irony

I tell ya, the VJ hos would a killing down there!

Daniel

:energetic:

no doubt..one last one before i cross the fence...

ooohhh excellent slogan for the business!

Daniel

:energetic:

i like it also sale maps////

can also sell advertisement time for immigration lawyers. you know, strategically position posters. temporary tatoos on the VJ hos, the piped in music gets interrupted by the "sponsors" words, etc...

Daniel

:energetic:

great idea!....also, work on the other side of the border..all the horney national guardsmen.....

excellent idea! way to beat the competition! ooohh and the fence builders would need *ahem* servicing too.

Daniel

:energetic:

[almaty 19]

you may never have emigrated for the betterment of your economic well being, but throughout human history that has the been the case for billions of folks.

patriotism is a very noble cause, but for many, putting food on the table/avoiding wars/providing opportunity for their children/etc.. trumps patriotism.

Daniel

:energetic:

Associated Press

May. 18, 2006 01:20 PM

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing," said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to cross and deported.

irony

I tell ya, the VJ hos would a killing down there!

Daniel

:energetic:

no doubt..one last one before i cross the fence...

ooohhh excellent slogan for the business!

Daniel

:energetic:

i like it also sale maps////

can also sell advertisement time for immigration lawyers. you know, strategically position posters. temporary tatoos on the VJ hos, the piped in music gets interrupted by the "sponsors" words, etc...

Daniel

:energetic:

great idea!....also, work on the other side of the border..all the horney national guardsmen.....

excellent idea! way to beat the competition! ooohh and the fence builders would need *ahem* servicing too.

Daniel

:energetic:

ypu know it...maybe a vj ho travel agency with guides..

[Mirorgate 0]

you may never have emigrated for the betterment of your economic well being, but throughout human history that has the been the case for billions of folks.

patriotism is a very noble cause, but for many, putting food on the table/avoiding wars/providing opportunity for their children/etc.. trumps patriotism.

Daniel

:energetic:

Associated Press

May. 18, 2006 01:20 PM

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing," said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to cross and deported.

irony

I tell ya, the VJ hos would a killing down there!

Daniel

:energetic:

no doubt..one last one before i cross the fence...

ooohhh excellent slogan for the business!

Daniel

:energetic:

i like it also sale maps////

can also sell advertisement time for immigration lawyers. you know, strategically position posters. temporary tatoos on the VJ hos, the piped in music gets interrupted by the "sponsors" words, etc...

Daniel

:energetic:

great idea!....also, work on the other side of the border..all the horney national guardsmen.....

excellent idea! way to beat the competition! ooohh and the fence builders would need *ahem* servicing too.

Daniel

:energetic:

ypu know it...maybe a vj ho travel agency with guides..

I'm on it! who do i hit up doggy style first though? guardsmen... or deported truck drivers?