Does your muslim husband mind if you drink?

[tenderheartusa79 14]

thanks GOD cause she doesn't smoke she doesn't drink . but if she was drinking yeah sure it would be an issue for me

[mybackpages 0]

There is a hadith that says something like- if it is intoxicating in large amounts, then avoid it even in small amounts. Because of this some muslims do refuse any food product that will have alcohol in it. But no matter how much yeast risen bread you eat, you will not become intoxicated. This might account for some of the inconsistency.

Though most of the muslim community would disagree, I've know some muslims interpret the verses of the Quran to mean wine not hard alcohol. Is it just a justification to allow them to drink Jack Daniels or a legitimate understanding of the language of the Quran and the intent of these verses.

This inconsistency IMO is the result of the several factors. The beauty of Islam is that it favors the human ability to reason and work as a community over a religious heirarchy dictating God's law. BUT with that comes overcoming the human nature to follow leadership which is at best misquided, at worse completely devoid of any postive intent. IMO this is why education and dialogue is so important in Islam.

[Henia 11]

Muslims need to use alot of common sense to intrupet many of the rulings ... including the ones on alchohol. Clearly anyone with a mind would understand that the meaning is all intoxicants (anything that makes you drunk or in an altered state). Thus making the small amount of alcholol in products, a result of a natural reaction between certain chemicals during the manufacturing process (as opposed to alcoholic drinks being deliberately added to food to add flavour), and so couldn't be classed as haram. And is allowed.

Medicines containing alcohol would be considered halal if there were no suitable alternatives available. It should be noted that only ethyl alcohol (such as methylated spirits and ethanol, the alcohol found in alcoholic drinks) are intoxicating and are therefore haram. Other forms of alcohol (such as stearyl) are not intoxicating. These types of alcohol won't be found in any food or drink due to the fact that they are generally poisonous, but it is a point worth bearing in mind when buying household goods containing these.

Qur'an, 5:90 - O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall avoid them, that you may succeed.

[Martiniolive 0]

Yes...my muslim husband would not like it if I drank alcohol. He has always made it clear that he frowns upon such things LOL. He has never tried alcohol. I used to love wine (live in beautiful wine country) and all kinds of martini's (hense my tag "martiniolive") but now I am completely a non drinker...I am very independent and I absolutely love my husband and value his happiness and our marriage so I will do whatever it takes to make it work and keep him happy. He seems to feel the same about me too. If I felt strongly about something I am sure he would adjust for me. But we are really compatible it seems.

[Nasturtium 500]

There is a hadith that says something like- if it is intoxicating in large amounts, then avoid it even in small amounts. Because of this some muslims do refuse any food product that will have alcohol in it. But no matter how much yeast risen bread you eat, you will not become intoxicated. This might account for some of the inconsistency.

Though most of the muslim community would disagree, I've know some muslims interpret the verses of the Quran to mean wine not hard alcohol. Is it just a justification to allow them to drink Jack Daniels or a legitimate understanding of the language of the Quran and the intent of these verses.

This inconsistency IMO is the result of the several factors. The beauty of Islam is that it favors the human ability to reason and work as a community over a religious heirarchy dictating God's law. BUT with that comes overcoming the human nature to follow leadership which is at best misquided, at worse completely devoid of any postive intent. IMO this is why education and dialogue is so important in Islam.

Right, but, under the same logic... no matter how many cookies you eat, you will not become intoxicated. The fermentation of yeast in bread is really low and the alcohol in the added vanilla extract is as well. I think *that* is where lots of us see an inconsistency in thought. You can become intoxicated by many things people don't tend to think of as an intoxicant, it just depends on how much you eat or drink/concentration as you said. One can become high from nutmeg, but one can never become high from pumpkin bread. One can become high from eating enough poppy seeds (which derive from the opium poppy, papaver somniferum), but one would probably vomit and go through a lot of pain and never be able to eat enough poppyseed muffins to act drunk off the opiate.

Edited August 8, 2008 by julianna

[Jenn! 918]

Thanks everyone for all the new ideas!

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Muslims need to use alot of common sense to intrupet many of the rulings ... including the ones on alchohol. Clearly anyone with a mind would understand that the meaning is all intoxicants (anything that makes you drunk or in an altered state). Thus making the small amount of alcholol in products, a result of a natural reaction between certain chemicals during the manufacturing process (as opposed to alcoholic drinks being deliberately added to food to add flavour), and so couldn't be classed as haram. And is allowed.

Medicines containing alcohol would be considered halal if there were no suitable alternatives available. It should be noted that only ethyl alcohol (such as methylated spirits and ethanol, the alcohol found in alcoholic drinks) are intoxicating and are therefore haram. Other forms of alcohol (such as stearyl) are not intoxicating. These types of alcohol won't be found in any food or drink due to the fact that they are generally poisonous, but it is a point worth bearing in mind when buying household goods containing these.

Qur'an, 5:90 - O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall avoid them, that you may succeed.

Well, Wouldnt you say Henia that women who smoke and drink are really looked down upon as borderline hookers where you live? Frankly I love mixed drinks and I cant smoke because I am highly asthmatic but I cant imagine the average guy where you live letting his wife walk into bars and light up or down drinks. Thats just not done.

Does my husband mind if I drink? Well my problems with my husband are mostly because he wants to say one thing, then do another , then everyone else live in a different set of rules. He drinks beer . Except during ramadan he is perfect. He can go into a bar or disco but if I did, its hell to pay. Its not ok if I drink . Its not ok if I smoke. He accepts it in everyone else he knows because he is sooooooooooooo open minded. But not for me.

I love margaritas . Not martinis. I dont like beer anymore but those pretty drinks they have at like redlobster like rum runners and daquiris, I love them . I am sorry. I dont really do the whole go to the grocery isle and grab a 4 pack of wine coolers thing. I am pregnant so I am not drinking anyway. But it was NOT ok when I wasnt pregnant. Its kind of watch what I do, be ok with it. but you arent going to do it. Because I said so . Thats why.

No is the answer. Hypocrisy is the question.

[Henia 11]

Yes...my muslim husband would not like it if I drank alcohol. He has always made it clear that he frowns upon such things LOL. He has never tried alcohol. I used to love wine (live in beautiful wine country) and all kinds of martini's (hense my tag "martiniolive") but now I am completely a non drinker...I am very independent and I absolutely love my husband and value his happiness and our marriage so I will do whatever it takes to make it work and keep him happy. He seems to feel the same about me too. If I felt strongly about something I am sure he would adjust for me. But we are really compatible it seems.

You make a good point. Even if you drink ... and your SO doesn't want you to drink (or other things too) doesn't your love/respect for them make it possible, easier for one to give up that vice?

There is a hadith that says something like- if it is intoxicating in large amounts, then avoid it even in small amounts. Because of this some muslims do refuse any food product that will have alcohol in it. But no matter how much yeast risen bread you eat, you will not become intoxicated. This might account for some of the inconsistency.

Though most of the muslim community would disagree, I've know some muslims interpret the verses of the Quran to mean wine not hard alcohol. Is it just a justification to allow them to drink Jack Daniels or a legitimate understanding of the language of the Quran and the intent of these verses.

This inconsistency IMO is the result of the several factors. The beauty of Islam is that it favors the human ability to reason and work as a community over a religious heirarchy dictating God's law. BUT with that comes overcoming the human nature to follow leadership which is at best misquided, at worse completely devoid of any postive intent. IMO this is why education and dialogue is so important in Islam.

Right, but, under the same logic... no matter how many cookies you eat, you will not become intoxicated. The fermentation of yeast in bread is really low and the alcohol in the added vanilla extract is as well. I think *that* is where lots of us see an inconsistency in thought. You can become intoxicated by many things people don't tend to think of as an intoxicant, it just depends on how much you eat or drink/concentration as you said. One can become high from nutmeg, but one can never become high from pumpkin bread. One can become high from eating enough poppy seeds (which derive from the opium poppy, papaver somniferum), but one would probably vomit and go through a lot of pain and never be able to eat enough poppyseed muffins to act drunk off the opiate.

People here get high all the time with non-drug/alcholol methods ... like wood vanish, paint and medicines. For some reason they are convinced it is allowed and people won't say anything! Over medicating is real problem in Algeria!

Thanks everyone for all the new ideas!

You crazzzzzzzzy girl LOLOLOL!

[Henia 11]

Muslims need to use alot of common sense to intrupet many of the rulings ... including the ones on alchohol. Clearly anyone with a mind would understand that the meaning is all intoxicants (anything that makes you drunk or in an altered state). Thus making the small amount of alcholol in products, a result of a natural reaction between certain chemicals during the manufacturing process (as opposed to alcoholic drinks being deliberately added to food to add flavour), and so couldn't be classed as haram. And is allowed.

Medicines containing alcohol would be considered halal if there were no suitable alternatives available. It should be noted that only ethyl alcohol (such as methylated spirits and ethanol, the alcohol found in alcoholic drinks) are intoxicating and are therefore haram. Other forms of alcohol (such as stearyl) are not intoxicating. These types of alcohol won't be found in any food or drink due to the fact that they are generally poisonous, but it is a point worth bearing in mind when buying household goods containing these.

Qur'an, 5:90 - O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall avoid them, that you may succeed.

Well, Wouldnt you say Henia that women who smoke and drink are really looked down upon as borderline hookers where you live? Frankly I love mixed drinks and I cant smoke because I am highly asthmatic but I cant imagine the average guy where you live letting his wife walk into bars and light up or down drinks. Thats just not done.

Does my husband mind if I drink? Well my problems with my husband are mostly because he wants to say one thing, then do another , then everyone else live in a different set of rules. He drinks beer . Except during ramadan he is perfect. He can go into a bar or disco but if I did, its hell to pay. Its not ok if I drink . Its not ok if I smoke. He accepts it in everyone else he knows because he is sooooooooooooo open minded. But not for me.

I love margaritas . Not martinis. I dont like beer anymore but those pretty drinks they have at like redlobster like rum runners and daquiris, I love them . I am sorry. I dont really do the whole go to the grocery isle and grab a 4 pack of wine coolers thing. I am pregnant so I am not drinking anyway. But it was NOT ok when I wasnt pregnant. Its kind of watch what I do, be ok with it. but you arent going to do it. Because I said so . Thats why.

No is the answer. Hypocrisy is the question.

Funny you should mention that ... one day I was on the bus, while back ... casually looking out the window ... witnessed one women in jilbeb buying ONE cig from one of those street cig vendours ... then contiuned to walk on her way with the cig stashed in her bag ... suddenly 2 guys come harressing her basically trying to grab her! So Ye, you are right! Women drinking, smoking HERE gives off the wrong image ... sure, they do ... but mostly at home in secret ... but I guess more towards Oran is more excepted since out there is more liberal! Buuut you are right about hypocrisy. Algeria is the land of lazyness and hypocrisy. LOL! But it is all good ... one neighbour is drug dealer when other neighbour (whole family ... grandmother to grandsons) all seem to get "high" all the time ... (smell drifts to my house) ... my shuabnd did not even know what that smell was ... he thought it was some cooking herb LOLOL! #######!

[*Maureen* 0]

Muslims need to use alot of common sense to intrupet many of the rulings ... including the ones on alchohol. Clearly anyone with a mind would understand that the meaning is all intoxicants (anything that makes you drunk or in an altered state). Thus making the small amount of alcholol in products, a result of a natural reaction between certain chemicals during the manufacturing process (as opposed to alcoholic drinks being deliberately added to food to add flavour), and so couldn't be classed as haram. And is allowed.

Medicines containing alcohol would be considered halal if there were no suitable alternatives available. It should be noted that only ethyl alcohol (such as methylated spirits and ethanol, the alcohol found in alcoholic drinks) are intoxicating and are therefore haram. Other forms of alcohol (such as stearyl) are not intoxicating. These types of alcohol won't be found in any food or drink due to the fact that they are generally poisonous, but it is a point worth bearing in mind when buying household goods containing these.

Qur'an, 5:90 - O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall avoid them, that you may succeed.

Well, Wouldnt you say Henia that women who smoke and drink are really looked down upon as borderline hookers where you live? Frankly I love mixed drinks and I cant smoke because I am highly asthmatic but I cant imagine the average guy where you live letting his wife walk into bars and light up or down drinks. Thats just not done.

Does my husband mind if I drink? Well my problems with my husband are mostly because he wants to say one thing, then do another , then everyone else live in a different set of rules. He drinks beer . Except during ramadan he is perfect. He can go into a bar or disco but if I did, its hell to pay. Its not ok if I drink . Its not ok if I smoke. He accepts it in everyone else he knows because he is sooooooooooooo open minded. But not for me.

I love margaritas . Not martinis. I dont like beer anymore but those pretty drinks they have at like redlobster like rum runners and daquiris, I love them . I am sorry. I dont really do the whole go to the grocery isle and grab a 4 pack of wine coolers thing. I am pregnant so I am not drinking anyway. But it was NOT ok when I wasnt pregnant. Its kind of watch what I do, be ok with it. but you arent going to do it. Because I said so . Thats why.

No is the answer. Hypocrisy is the question.

Funny you should mention that ... one day I was on the bus, while back ... casually looking out the window ... witnessed one women in jilbeb buying ONE cig from one of those street cig vendours ... then contiuned to walk on her way with the cig stashed in her bag ... suddenly 2 guys come harressing her basically trying to grab her! So Ye, you are right! Women drinking, smoking HERE gives off the wrong image ... sure, they do ... but mostly at home in secret ... but I guess more towards Oran is more excepted since out there is more liberal! Buuut you are right about hypocrisy. Algeria is the land of lazyness and hypocrisy. LOL! But it is all good ... one neighbour is drug dealer when other neighbour (whole family ... grandmother to grandsons) all seem to get "high" all the time ... (smell drifts to my house) ... my shuabnd did not even know what that smell was ... he thought it was some cooking herb LOLOL! #######!

LOL!!!how funny

[mybackpages 0]

There is a hadith that says something like- if it is intoxicating in large amounts, then avoid it even in small amounts. Because of this some muslims do refuse any food product that will have alcohol in it. But no matter how much yeast risen bread you eat, you will not become intoxicated. This might account for some of the inconsistency.

Though most of the muslim community would disagree, I've know some muslims interpret the verses of the Quran to mean wine not hard alcohol. Is it just a justification to allow them to drink Jack Daniels or a legitimate understanding of the language of the Quran and the intent of these verses.

This inconsistency IMO is the result of the several factors. The beauty of Islam is that it favors the human ability to reason and work as a community over a religious heirarchy dictating God's law. BUT with that comes overcoming the human nature to follow leadership which is at best misquided, at worse completely devoid of any postive intent. IMO this is why education and dialogue is so important in Islam.

Right, but, under the same logic... no matter how many cookies you eat, you will not become intoxicated. The fermentation of yeast in bread is really low and the alcohol in the added vanilla extract is as well. I think *that* is where lots of us see an inconsistency in thought. You can become intoxicated by many things people don't tend to think of as an intoxicant, it just depends on how much you eat or drink/concentration as you said. One can become high from nutmeg, but one can never become high from pumpkin bread. One can become high from eating enough poppy seeds (which derive from the opium poppy, papaver somniferum), but one would probably vomit and go through a lot of pain and never be able to eat enough poppyseed muffins to act drunk off the opiate.

You make sense to me and I agree many people are making decisions that are inconsistent. Only adding to the problem is that the Quran does not explicity say intoxicants. That is the most common translation of the word, but as you know Arabic , esp classical, is not always word for word with English and then add to that the totality of the revelations and the historical context - these verses often mean something completely different than people interpret them dozens of centures later.

For me, this is why is is essential always to be humble in my determinations what is acceptable or not acceptable in Islam. The human fallibility factor is just too likely.

Sort of off topic, but some reason this makes me remember this Sufi story that was part of a film I watched once. It goes something like this. What happens if you drop a glass of wine it a bowl of water? The water will change color and its properties. What happens if you drop a glass of water into the ocean, the change is negligable. Drinking alcohol is the glass of wine and eachof us has a different spiritual fortitude (are we the ocean or a glass of water?).

[Henia 11]

Muslims need to use alot of common sense to intrupet many of the rulings ... including the ones on alchohol. Clearly anyone with a mind would understand that the meaning is all intoxicants (anything that makes you drunk or in an altered state). Thus making the small amount of alcholol in products, a result of a natural reaction between certain chemicals during the manufacturing process (as opposed to alcoholic drinks being deliberately added to food to add flavour), and so couldn't be classed as haram. And is allowed.

Medicines containing alcohol would be considered halal if there were no suitable alternatives available. It should be noted that only ethyl alcohol (such as methylated spirits and ethanol, the alcohol found in alcoholic drinks) are intoxicating and are therefore haram. Other forms of alcohol (such as stearyl) are not intoxicating. These types of alcohol won't be found in any food or drink due to the fact that they are generally poisonous, but it is a point worth bearing in mind when buying household goods containing these.

Qur'an, 5:90 - O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall avoid them, that you may succeed.

Well, Wouldnt you say Henia that women who smoke and drink are really looked down upon as borderline hookers where you live? Frankly I love mixed drinks and I cant smoke because I am highly asthmatic but I cant imagine the average guy where you live letting his wife walk into bars and light up or down drinks. Thats just not done.

Does my husband mind if I drink? Well my problems with my husband are mostly because he wants to say one thing, then do another , then everyone else live in a different set of rules. He drinks beer . Except during ramadan he is perfect. He can go into a bar or disco but if I did, its hell to pay. Its not ok if I drink . Its not ok if I smoke. He accepts it in everyone else he knows because he is sooooooooooooo open minded. But not for me.

I love margaritas . Not martinis. I dont like beer anymore but those pretty drinks they have at like redlobster like rum runners and daquiris, I love them . I am sorry. I dont really do the whole go to the grocery isle and grab a 4 pack of wine coolers thing. I am pregnant so I am not drinking anyway. But it was NOT ok when I wasnt pregnant. Its kind of watch what I do, be ok with it. but you arent going to do it. Because I said so . Thats why.

No is the answer. Hypocrisy is the question.

Funny you should mention that ... one day I was on the bus, while back ... casually looking out the window ... witnessed one women in jilbeb buying ONE cig from one of those street cig vendours ... then contiuned to walk on her way with the cig stashed in her bag ... suddenly 2 guys come harressing her basically trying to grab her! So Ye, you are right! Women drinking, smoking HERE gives off the wrong image ... sure, they do ... but mostly at home in secret ... but I guess more towards Oran is more excepted since out there is more liberal! Buuut you are right about hypocrisy. Algeria is the land of lazyness and hypocrisy. LOL! But it is all good ... one neighbour is drug dealer when other neighbour (whole family ... grandmother to grandsons) all seem to get "high" all the time ... (smell drifts to my house) ... my shuabnd did not even know what that smell was ... he thought it was some cooking herb LOLOL! #######!

LOL!!!how funny

YE he is sooo innocent in many ways! But I love him for it! LOL! Sometimes I feel like I have way too much life experience LOL!