White American (proud to be...)

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I don't understand what NY's eve, Valentine's, Halloween, or Christmas have to do with talking in the context of celebrating 'whiteness'.

What, you thought the phrase white Christmas had something to do with snow?

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Yes the media has branched into niches with magazine. Some other niches might be the Oprah cult following, sports illistrauted, golf-pro, ect.ect.ect..

[Heracles 417]

Yes I guess white America is a culmination of all those heritages but put that out to the 4th generation American and how many of them actually celebrate their great great grandparents heritage anymore? The majority of white America is something all together different now compared to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation of other ethnic heritages still celebrating their ancestors. I'm not saying its a good thing or a bad thing. Also even in other countries different regions of their own country have their own accents in the same language and own mannerism just as we have here in the US so on that I can agree with you.

The only two groups who tend to differentiate themselves in America I find are black and Latino Americas. Everyone else considers themselves to be American and possible of x heritage.

I would agree with you except for that not all blacks and not all latinos do that, just like not all whites are part of the neo-nazi skinhead groups. And not all blacks and latino prides are as extreme or as long standing as the neo-nazi white supremacy groups in the US. The black groups that where comparable where some of the black panther groups of the 60's and 70's but now it's not as big as or severe as back then. The newer generation of blacks that perpetuate this similar intensity would be young males in the poorer urban regions that may be gang related. The latino groups that are comparable to severity and intensity are also of this demographic but either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation immigrant.

Definitely not saying all but more than anyone else. That includes in the media. I have never ever heard anyone on tv state they are Asian-American, Indian-American, Italian-American etc. But I cannot watch the news without seeing one of the groups brought up sometime during the week.

Edited August 3, 2008 by Aficionado

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

dude has a point there.

celebrating being a red neck white american isn't something I'd particularly be proud to celebrate.

But white americans celebrating new years eve, valentines, 4th of july, halloween, christmas is kinda unique to us in how our culture does it compared to these other heritage groups. We don't exactally have our own song and dance but we do have our own folklore, granted it's not as old as say some countries folklore, but we have the wild west tales & the patriotic stories of the founding fathers.

Doesn't that go without saying that each culture celebrates within some sort of tradition? I don't understand what NY's eve, Valentine's, Halloween, or Christmas have to do with talking in the context of celebrating 'whiteness'.

Not so much as celebrating whiteness as much as the way it's celebrated by the whites in america vs. the hispanics from mexico, or the germans from germany, or the Norwegians in america who actually celebrate Christmas on Dec. 24th and not the 25th like we do here.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Given the need by some to pat each other on the back about how great they are, and how their country/nationality is so awesome, I thought us white Americans should do so too.

Yay! We're awesome! No one is better than us! Proud to be a redneck white American! w00t!

Yeah, whatever.....

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Whites can't be proud?

[IAMX 3,055]

No this is about equality. If American is truly working towards being equal then race should no longer be an issue. This can never happen when race and history is always brought into the equation.

No one should be made to feel guilty about the past and so forth.

Race is STILL an issue today. Race will never not be an issue, regardless of amendments. You just proved it.

People segregate themselves by class, race, sports teams, leagues, whatever. Kinda funny how you're clearly jealous though of other races.

I go through each day without shame, without regret, but hopefully one day you'll get over your problem with other races.

[Heracles 417]

Not so much as celebrating whiteness as much as the way it's celebrated by the whites in america vs. the hispanics from mexico, or the germans from germany, or the Norwegians in america who actually celebrate Christmas on Dec. 24th and not the 25th like we do here.

I am sure it is only a matter of time before these holidays are banned because they are not PC.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Yes I guess white America is a culmination of all those heritages but put that out to the 4th generation American and how many of them actually celebrate their great great grandparents heritage anymore? The majority of white America is something all together different now compared to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation of other ethnic heritages still celebrating their ancestors. I'm not saying its a good thing or a bad thing. Also even in other countries different regions of their own country have their own accents in the same language and own mannerism just as we have here in the US so on that I can agree with you.

The only two groups who tend to differentiate themselves in America I find are black and Latino Americas. Everyone else considers themselves to be American and possible of x heritage.

I would agree with you except for that not all blacks and not all latinos do that, just like not all whites are part of the neo-nazi skinhead groups. And not all blacks and latino prides are as extreme or as long standing as the neo-nazi white supremacy groups in the US. The black groups that where comparable where some of the black panther groups of the 60's and 70's but now it's not as big as or severe as back then. The newer generation of blacks that perpetuate this similar intensity would be young males in the poorer urban regions that may be gang related. The latino groups that are comparable to severity and intensity are also of this demographic but either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd generation immigrant.

Definitely not saying all but more than anyone else. That includes in the media. I have never ever heard anyone on tv state they are Asian-American, Indian-American, Italian-American etc. But I cannot watch the news without seeing one of the groups brought up sometime during the week.

True I have observed that the ethnic pride is increasing but it might be mispercieved from outsiders as an exclusion. Even on my own campus we have a latino club and it's a bit intimidating as an outsider to see a group of 60-100 latinos come together in the commons knowning I'll never be latino so I can't join. At the same time there is also a Nepali club on our campus and I'm friends with some of them and I've learned that these groups are formed not only as a way to have pride in where they came from but to have someone here extend the hand of friendship to them so they have someone to relate to and help in assimilating here.

Not so much as celebrating whiteness as much as the way it's celebrated by the whites in america vs. the hispanics from mexico, or the germans from germany, or the Norwegians in america who actually celebrate Christmas on Dec. 24th and not the 25th like we do here.

I am sure it is only a matter of time before these holidays are banned because they are not PC.

As long as we're still a capitalist economy it's doubtful that would happened.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Even on my own campus we have a latino club and it's a bit intimidating as an outsider to see a group of 60-100 latinos come together in the commons knowning I'll never be latino so I can't join. At the same time there is also a Nepali club on our campus and I'm friends with some of them and I've learned that these groups are formed not only as a way to have pride in where they came from but to have someone here extend the hand of friendship to them so they have someone to relate to and help in assimilating here.

latinos skeer me too!

but who's skeered of a bunch of nepalis? they're harmless. i bet all those latinos are ms13 though

[Heracles 417]

Race is STILL an issue today. Race will never not be an issue, regardless of amendments. You just proved it.

People segregate themselves by class, race, sports teams, leagues, whatever. Kinda funny how you're clearly jealous though of other races.

I go through each day without shame, without regret, but hopefully one day you'll get over your problem with other races.

How did I prove it? by asking why it is okay for someone black or Latino to promote their heritage. Yet racist if someone white was to, for example, bring out a magazine dedicated to Caucasians.

Kills me that BET and black essence or groups like La Raza is not racist. Yet mention white and you are automatically branded a racist. If you are Greek you know exactly what the word raza means.

[Fandango 1,439]

dude has a point there.

celebrating being a red neck white american isn't something I'd particularly be proud to celebrate.

But white americans celebrating new years eve, valentines, 4th of july, halloween, christmas is kinda unique to us in how our culture does it compared to these other heritage groups. We don't exactally have our own song and dance but we do have our own folklore, granted it's not as old as say some countries folklore, but we have the wild west tales & the patriotic stories of the founding fathers.

Doesn't that go without saying that each culture celebrates within some sort of tradition? I don't understand what NY's eve, Valentine's, Halloween, or Christmas have to do with talking in the context of celebrating 'whiteness'.

Not so much as celebrating whiteness as much as the way it's celebrated by the whites in america vs. the hispanics from mexico, or the germans from germany, or the Norwegians in america who actually celebrate Christmas on Dec. 24th and not the 25th like we do here.

Can't that be amended to say 'Americans (not just white Americans mind you) celebrate this way, Mexicans/Germans/etc celebrate that way? And that really goes without saying, btw...

We could even split it up further to say 'people in the North tend to do this, South tends to do that, etc'

But again, I'm really at a loss to understanding what the major holidays hold in relation to 'whites in America' as a whole...

Edited August 3, 2008 by Happy Bunny

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

White peoples publications are Time and Newsweek and the National Enquirer

Edited August 3, 2008 by A.J.

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This is funny-

Stuff White People Like

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

dude has a point there.

celebrating being a red neck white american isn't something I'd particularly be proud to celebrate.

But white americans celebrating new years eve, valentines, 4th of july, halloween, christmas is kinda unique to us in how our culture does it compared to these other heritage groups. We don't exactally have our own song and dance but we do have our own folklore, granted it's not as old as say some countries folklore, but we have the wild west tales & the patriotic stories of the founding fathers.

Doesn't that go without saying that each culture celebrates within some sort of tradition? I don't understand what NY's eve, Valentine's, Halloween, or Christmas have to do with talking in the context of celebrating 'whiteness'.

Not so much as celebrating whiteness as much as the way it's celebrated by the whites in america vs. the hispanics from mexico, or the germans from germany, or the Norwegians in america who actually celebrate Christmas on Dec. 24th and not the 25th like we do here.

Can't that be amended to say 'Americans (not just white Americans mind you) celebrate this way, Mexicans/Germans/etc celebrate that way? And that really goes without saying, btw...

We could even split it up further to say 'people in the North tend to do this, South tends to do that, etc'

But again, I'm really at a loss to understanding what the major holidays hold in relation to 'whites in America' as a whole...

Well ok. I guess we could get into stereotyping that Americans as a whole on these holidays are all consumers and that is one way we all celebrate. However, the way that each family celebrates these holidays according to race or ethnicity or heritage is another sociological study. If reality TV ever saw the potential to branch off into these ethnicities, races, and heritages like we've seen with some of the prime time night shows then we might have some fine examples for those sociological studies.

[Heracles 417]

True I have observed that the ethnic pride is increasing but it might be mispercieved from outsiders as an exclusion. Even on my own campus we have a latino club and it's a bit intimidating as an outsider to see a group of 60-100 latinos come together in the commons knowning I'll never be latino so I can't join. At the same time there is also a Nepali club on our campus and I'm friends with some of them and I've learned that these groups are formed not only as a way to have pride in where they came from but to have someone here extend the hand of friendship to them so they have someone to relate to and help in assimilating here.

I think you hit the nail on the head there. The difference between the Nepali group to other two is that they are probably interested in connecting with other people from there. Rather than isolating themselves and promoting growth for anyone who looks like them. aka racism.

As a foreigner, it does seem that anyone white in America can be branded racist. Whereas anyone Latin or Black is simply misunderstood, expressing their culture or has isolated views but can never ever be labeled a racist; regardless of what they say or do.

Edited August 3, 2008 by Aficionado