White American (proud to be...)

[Heracles 417]

Oh for Pete's sake - this is just silly. Believe me, don't believe - I really could care less. It doesn't have any bearing on this thread. You asked but you don't like the answers.

I dunno about the tooth fairy - but you're definitely living in fantasy land.

No #### sherlock that you probably catch buses being so close to NYC. I was being facetious.

I really overestimated you and PH..

[Amby 490]

do I need to get out the photo of the gay men kissing?

[Heracles 417]

do I need to get out the photo of the gay men kissing?

You know I kind of look like one of the guys in the photo you posted of the two guys last time..

Edited August 4, 2008 by Aficionado

[churipu 4]

Can naturalized white Americans such as myself be proud too?

[Amby 490]

do I need to get out the photo of the gay men kissing?

You know I kind of look like one of the guys in the photo you posted of the two guys last time..

now all we need is #6 to kinda look like the other guy and I would have been spot on!

[Heracles 417]

Can naturalized white Americans such as myself be proud too?

No! You are by default guilty of slavery and segregation.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

[Heracles 417]

Photo of #6.

Fighting for his causes

#6 on his crusades

Down whitey down!!

Edited August 4, 2008 by Aficionado

[Scott & Lai 12]

dude has a point there.

celebrating being a red neck white american isn't something I'd particularly be proud to celebrate.

But white americans celebrating new years eve, valentines, 4th of july, halloween, christmas is kinda unique to us in how our culture does it compared to these other heritage groups. We don't exactally have our own song and dance but we do have our own folklore, granted it's not as old as say some countries folklore, but we have the wild west tales & the patriotic stories of the founding fathers.

Doesn't that go without saying that each culture celebrates within some sort of tradition? I don't understand what NY's eve, Valentine's, Halloween, or Christmas have to do with talking in the context of celebrating 'whiteness'.

Not so much as celebrating whiteness as much as the way it's celebrated by the whites in america vs. the hispanics from mexico, or the germans from germany, or the Norwegians in america who actually celebrate Christmas on Dec. 24th and not the 25th like we do here.

Can't that be amended to say 'Americans (not just white Americans mind you) celebrate this way, Mexicans/Germans/etc celebrate that way? And that really goes without saying, btw...

We could even split it up further to say 'people in the North tend to do this, South tends to do that, etc'

But again, I'm really at a loss to understanding what the major holidays hold in relation to 'whites in America' as a whole...

Well ok. I guess we could get into stereotyping that Americans as a whole on these holidays are all consumers and that is one way we all celebrate. However, the way that each family celebrates these holidays according to race or ethnicity or heritage is another sociological study. If reality TV ever saw the potential to branch off into these ethnicities, races, and heritages like we've seen with some of the prime time night shows then we might have some fine examples for those sociological studies.

Right, but you brought this up in context to someone saying something about celebrating white history iirc....these holidays you mention are not white specific, and that's my point.

How about Kwanzaa, which was originally intended as an alternative to Christmas, which was seen as a White person's holiday?

As someone else has already said, I don't see the need to be "proud" of something I didn't accomplish. That doesn't mean I'm ashamed of it, either. However, I had no say in being "white" (or Jewish and American as well) and it seems to be that in order to be "proud" of something, someone needs to have achieved some sort of success. Well... I was born. I didn't get a vote in that, now did I? I'm sure my wife is happy my birth occurred, but no one polled me beforehand.

The same, I believe, is true for those of other races, religions and nationalities. What are you so proud of? I'm sure there have been people from your culture that have done wondrous things, but are you one of them? If not, take a step back and stop trying to ride those coattails. Just because a black man (Otis Boykin) invented the pacemaker doesn't mean African Americans today get to take credit for it; likewise, I can't assume responsibility for the work of Albert Einstein or Thomas Edison (simply because they're white and the former is Jewish).

I do think it's a bit of a misnomer to say "White Pride" since there are numerous countries and cultures from which "white" individuals come from. However, the same could be said of blacks as well when considering "Black Pride" too. A black man or woman's experience would differ considerably if he or she were born in the U.S. or UK, for example. So to use one catch-all phrase for either "whites" or "blacks" is incorrect.

[S and S 12]

Maybe we should have a European day. It would be the same thing as black history month because African Americans come from many different countries with different practices. Same thing with latinos. What people do in central America is not necessarily the same as south America or Puerto Rico. On European month we can just celebrate all the various cultures of the different countries of Europe. What would be wrong with that? It wouldn't be a "white pride" thing either since Europeans can take on different complexions.

[Scott & Lai 12]

Maybe we should have a European day. It would be the same thing as black history month because African Americans come from many different countries with different practices. Same thing with latinos. What people do in central America is not necessarily the same as south America or Puerto Rico. On European month we can just celebrate all the various cultures of the different countries of Europe. What would be wrong with that? It wouldn't be a "white pride" thing either since Europeans can take on different complexions.

Sounds good to me I have no problem with celebrating one's culture, as long as everyone gets to do that.

Edited August 4, 2008 by Scott & Lai

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Everyone does get to do it already though, don't they?

How many German, Irish, Italian festivals are there in this country?

[dalegg 143]

Maybe we should have a European day. It would be the same thing as black history month because African Americans come from many different countries with different practices. Same thing with latinos. What people do in central America is not necessarily the same as south America or Puerto Rico. On European month we can just celebrate all the various cultures of the different countries of Europe. What would be wrong with that? It wouldn't be a "white pride" thing either since Europeans can take on different complexions.

Sounds good to me I have no problem with celebrating one's culture, as long as everyone gets to do that.

Don't we already have Saint Patricks day and Oktoberfest? How many more reasons do we need to get drunk anyway? I'm proud to share a margarita on Cinco de Mayo too.

[dalegg 143]

As someone else has already said, I don't see the need to be "proud" of something I didn't accomplish. That doesn't mean I'm ashamed of it, either. However, I had no say in being "white" (or Jewish and American as well) and it seems to be that in order to be "proud" of something, someone needs to have achieved some sort of success. Well... I was born. I didn't get a vote in that, now did I? I'm sure my wife is happy my birth occurred, but no one polled me beforehand.

The same, I believe, is true for those of other races, religions and nationalities. What are you so proud of? I'm sure there have been people from your culture that have done wondrous things, but are you one of them? If not, take a step back and stop trying to ride those coattails. Just because a black man (Otis Boykin) invented the pacemaker doesn't mean African Americans today get to take credit for it; likewise, I can't assume responsibility for the work of Albert Einstein or Thomas Edison (simply because they're white and the former is Jewish).

You totally stole that from George Carlin.

[IAMX 3,055]

Maybe we should have a European day. It would be the same thing as black history month because African Americans come from many different countries with different practices. Same thing with latinos. What people do in central America is not necessarily the same as south America or Puerto Rico. On European month we can just celebrate all the various cultures of the different countries of Europe. What would be wrong with that? It wouldn't be a "white pride" thing either since Europeans can take on different complexions.

St. Patricks Day?

Christopher Columbus Day?

German-American Day?

Irish-American Heritage Month?

Leif Erikson Day?

There's plenty of days, months, etc. for Europeans, but it's been popular thusfar to just bash blacks and how we need a White History Month.

You totally stole that from George Carlin.

Rest in peace, brilliant man.