Reasons you wouldn't vote for Obama/McCain

[chri'stina 190]

Ideas don't always materialize as reality. Sometimes they just stay ideas that sounds good.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

This election is a contest of ideas more than ideals. Whichever candidate has the better ideas will be the next president. I don't think this time around, that many voters are standing by ideals over ideas.

Come again?

Seriously though, which ideas are you thinking of specifically. I have to admit that I've lost interest to a certain extent in both of them, but I can't seem to think of any real novel ideas from either of them.

Because of the context of which this election is surrounded by, voters are less likely to remain loyal to one Party or candidate over another simply based on ideals. For example, Congress just passed a bill to relieve homeowners who were facing unmanageable mortgages. It received overwhelming bipartisan support, but in better economic times, the support for such a bill would have been more partisan. Americans won't fall prey to partisan politics this election like they had before over wedge issues (gay marriage) with all that we are facing right now, at this time in history. It's going to come down to whichever ideas resonate more soundly with the voters, and not whether an idea passes a particular ideological litmus test.

Edited August 1, 2008 by Jabberwocky

[IAMX 3,055]

Voting Moore/Alexander. Socialist. Made up my mind at the onset of the year. The only Republican I had voted for before this was Ahnold. Even regret that. Now I regret voting for Democrats too. Both Republicans and Democrats are driving this country straight to hell. Not on my vote.

[S and S 12]

I may just go independent this year. I want to vote so I can say I voiced my opinion, but I just don't like either one of them.

[britty 1]

I cannot vote as yet, but it would certainly not be Obama. He is a bleeding heart liberal who doesn't appear to say anything at all. Everything I read on him suggests that "Obama ASSUMES", and "Obama would LIKE to see". He doesnt want to commit to anything, presumably because he doesn't really know what he is doing. A bit of an idiot really. Also he will totally disregard the higher income earners which suggests that the only CHANGE some will see, is increased taxes. I don't like McCain either - he will ban small dogs called Dinky, and disallow green pillows - he is a little strange. Bring back Reagan.

[IAMX 3,055]

This is the first election I'm not voting for a Democrat for President (third Presidential election I've been in since I turned 18), and I'm sure as hell not voting Republican either. Not because of party name, but because in light of a few differences, in contrast, both parties are seeming to me to be far too similar in that neither give a #### about their constituents or the country as a whole. And I wonder how bad it has to get before it gets better. So I decided sometime late last year it would be third party I go.

If you want a few actual detailed explanations, I'll give a few against both in terms of how I see it:

- McCain favors politicizing the Supreme Court

- McCain DOES in fact want to drill in ANWR. He took the stance of "no I don't think we should drill there", but also isn't a retard, and more vehemently favors lifting the federal ban on drilling there, leaving it up to the states. Alaskan politicians, mostly Republican, would open up ANWR in a heartbeat as soon as their hands weren't tied by the federal ban. Very sneaky.

- Pro-life. Not going to vote for someone who refuses women the right to do with their body what they want.

- Anti gay marriage. Not going to vote for someone who lives in the stone age and hasn't realized gays have rights and equal protections under the law too. That includes marriage. Don't really care who is offended by gays getting married. It's not really up to everyone else to approve of who someone is with anyways.

- Wanted to limit freedom of speech by symbolism and ban flag burning. Won't vote for someone who values nylon and symbolism over constitutional rights.

- Only believes Christians should be President. I don't agree. We need more diversity.

- Obama is against gay marriage. Again, won't vote for someone who refuses to give gays the rights and protections under the law everyone else has. You'd think a black man would see "separate but equal" when "civil unions" smack him in the face. Guess not.

- Pandering to Israel. I'm pretty tired of us kissing Israel's ### for doing nothing to help us, nor stop their human rights violations of Palestinians. Cut the funding off for Israel entirely.

- Pro elimination of the 4th Amendment of appropriate methods of search and seizure. Even outside the original FISA bounds, which was more than enough to stop "terrorism" when there was a reason to suspect it. Instead, he favors perpetual wiretapping of Americans. Seems like Americans are the terrorists by the government's actions. Won't vote for someone who wants to eliminate more of my rights in the name of "fighting terrorism". Think this terrorism excuse ####### has gone more than far enough since the PATRIOT Act.

- Now he favors drilling offshore. Clearly he doesn't know what his stances are.

So both pretty much suck, and I'm not falling for "you're throwing your vote away by voting third party". It seems the other way around to me and I'd be throwing it away if I fell for the trap and voted for either of them, rather than vote my conscience.

Edited August 3, 2008 by SRVT

[dalegg 143]

So both pretty much suck, and I'm not falling for "you're throwing your vote away by voting third party". It seems the other way around to me and I'd be throwing it away if I fell for the trap and voted for either of them, rather than vote my conscience.

You're throwing your vote away no matter what.

Vote for either one of these candidates and we are going to see the deficit rise.

Soldiers will NOT be dying in Iraq for the next 100 years regardless of which candidate is elected. Obama will NOT withdraw troops if it is too early to do so.

There will be no slave reparations regardless of which candidate is elected.

There will still be an illegal immigration problem regardless of which candidate is elected.

The future of Social Security is in dire states regardless of which candidate is elected, although Obama's plan may extend its lifespan a bit, but then again it might shorten it.

We will still be partially dependent on foreign oil in 4 years regardless of which candidate is elected, AND we will still explore alternate energy sources regardless of which candidate is elected.

Abortion will still be legal regardless of which candidate is elected.

People will still retain the right the own guns regardless of which candidate is elected.

Both parties will say anything and change their stance on whatever issue they need to to become reelected in 4 years.

...AND, nobody other than these two candidates will receive more than 1% of the votes, and your vote will not help that cause. I am not hurting that cause by stating that either.

Sorry.

[IAMX 3,055]

So both pretty much suck, and I'm not falling for "you're throwing your vote away by voting third party". It seems the other way around to me and I'd be throwing it away if I fell for the trap and voted for either of them, rather than vote my conscience.

You're throwing your vote away no matter what.

Vote for either one of these candidates and we are going to see the deficit rise.

Soldiers will NOT be dying in Iraq for the next 100 years regardless of which candidate is elected. Obama will NOT withdraw troops if it is too early to do so.

There will be no slave reparations regardless of which candidate is elected.

There will still be an illegal immigration problem regardless of which candidate is elected.

The future of Social Security is in dire states regardless of which candidate is elected, although Obama's plan may extend its lifespan a bit, but then again it might shorten it.

We will still be partially dependent on foreign oil in 4 years regardless of which candidate is elected, AND we will still explore alternate energy sources regardless of which candidate is elected.

Abortion will still be legal regardless of which candidate is elected.

People will still retain the right the own guns regardless of which candidate is elected.

Both parties will say anything and change their stance on whatever issue they need to to become reelected in 4 years.

...AND, nobody other than these two candidates will receive more than 1% of the votes, and your vote will not help that cause. I am not hurting that cause by stating that either.

Sorry.

And you overlook the exact reason for a vote not being thrown away -- it's MY vote. I can choose to do a write-in for Chairman Mao. You're only throwing away your vote if you're not voting your own conscience.

These issues can be fixed. It's been done before. Whether or not it creates a movement, I don't care. However, I'm voting for Socialist, or Green, or Peace and Freedom, or Independent. Not Democrat or Republican.

[dalegg 143]

These issues can be fixed. It's been done before. Whether or not it creates a movement, I don't care. However, I'm voting for Socialist, or Green, or Peace and Freedom, or Independent. Not Democrat or Republican.

Please don't vote for a Socialist.

[Scott & Lai 12]

I can't stand either one of them. Which is the lesser of two evils?

same here ...

McCain

and here... I think I may have to get sloppy drunk the first Tuesday in November this year in order to vote; just once I'd like to vote for someone, instead of against the other guy...haven't done that in over half my life

Anything wrong in voting against the opponent (other than when you have lots of choices)?

Nothing wrong with voting against the opponent. But that is a less than ideal situation. I'd much rather vote positively, for someone whose views I agree with regardless of whoever else is running, than vote for someone whom I would otherwise not vote for because I believe the other likely candidate is worse.

[IAMX 3,055]

These issues can be fixed. It's been done before. Whether or not it creates a movement, I don't care. However, I'm voting for Socialist, or Green, or Peace and Freedom, or Independent. Not Democrat or Republican.

Please don't vote for a Socialist.

Nope. In all likelihood, the Socialist ticket, Moore and Alexander, are the candidates I feel are best.

I might have voted Green but Cynthia McKinney is part of the Democratic caucus.

Edited August 4, 2008 by SRVT

[reach449 2]

Obama. It is time for a change.

Yeah...there will be change...higher taxes for EVERYONE, a weaker DOD, a move towards a socialist goverment, more taxes on the rich to redistribute wealth, more goverment programs that we can not afford etc....Taxing the Big Bad Oil companies, that sounds good, but check your 401k's and pensions closely, most of them are invested in the oil companies because they turn a decent profit and for all of us investing in our future.

Besides, check his voting record...he has none! Just who is this guy?

Yeah there will be change alright....

reach449

[HAL 9000 96]

Great Poll Stina.

Pretty much predictable responses from most, too.

[IAMX 3,055]

Yeah...there will be change

Truth be told, there wouldn't be change. It would still be stiffing the American people in the interest of corporations and private interests.

...higher taxes for EVERYONE

Given the amount of money this administration has spend, higher taxes are the ONLY solution for now. This administration spent far more than Clinton, and threw us into a further debt when we were headed into the green.

a weaker DOD

Which is only a bad thing if you think we should be spending tons of money (which magically pays for itself?) making bombs to use on other countries.

a move towards a socialist goverment

The red scare was semi-applicable 50+ years ago. This administration has shown you have everything to fear from a self-proclaimed "Democracy" as you would any communist nation.

more taxes on the rich to redistribute wealth

Easily circumvented anyways.

more goverment programs that we can not afford

Like?

Taxing the Big Bad Oil companies

They're not the ones taxed. We're taxed. In California, we're doubly taxed. I think you made a big bad mistake.

but check your 401k's and pensions closely

401K's which are chosen individually, and notice how most people's 401Ks are more like 201Ks almost all across the board.

Besides, check his voting record...he has none! Just who is this guy?

He's served as a public representative for 10 years. If you can't find his voting record, you must not be looking. Obviously.

Edited August 5, 2008 by SRVT

[Mrs.J06 4]

Yeah...there will be change

Truth be told, there wouldn't be change. It would still be stiffing the American people in the interest of corporations and private interests.

...higher taxes for EVERYONE

Given the amount of money this administration has spend, higher taxes are the ONLY solution for now. This administration spent far more than Clinton, and threw us into a further debt when we were headed into the green.

a weaker DOD

Which is only a bad thing if you think we should be spending tons of money (which magically pays for itself?) making bombs to use on other countries.

a move towards a socialist goverment

The red scare was semi-applicable 50+ years ago. This administration has shown you have everything to fear from a self-proclaimed "Democracy" as you would any communist nation.

more taxes on the rich to redistribute wealth

Easily circumvented anyways.

more goverment programs that we can not afford

Like?

Taxing the Big Bad Oil companies

They're not the ones taxed. We're taxed. In California, we're doubly taxed. I think you made a big bad mistake.

but check your 401k's and pensions closely

401K's which are chosen individually, and notice how most people's 401Ks are more like 201Ks almost all across the board.

Besides, check his voting record...he has none! Just who is this guy?

He's served as a public representative for 10 years. If you can't find his voting record, you must not be looking. Obviously.

I couldn't agree more!