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The crimes of which Gray was convicted:

  • rape and murder of Army Pvt. Laura Lee Vickery-Clay of Fayetteville 1986/12/15--shooting her four times with a .22 (which he had stolen), and inflicting "blunt force trauma" over much of her body
  • rape and murder of civilian cab-driver Kimberly Ann Ruggles in Fayetteville--binding, gagging and repeatedly stabbing and beating (she had bruises and lacerations on her face) her. Her body was found on the base.
  • rape, robbery and attempted murder of an army private in her barracks at Fort Bragg 1987/01/03--stabbing her several times in neck and side, leaving her with trachea laceration and collapsed or punctured lung. She testified against Gray during the court-martial and identified him as her assailant.
The word that describes Gray is "mansonesque".

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Yes, I do realize this but I don't think those who quote the phrase do. However, it seems to me that this merit system of justice was dreamed up by some oh so fallible human beings, judging by its stupidity. The system of trial and punishment by jail time is far more successful and more importantly it is much more viable in terms of the actual day to day running of the system (surprise surprise) particularly for large socieities.

People do not commit any crimes based on balancing risk - except perhaps fraud and the like and even then I somewhat doubt they truly do a risk analysis before they proceed. People develep a code of conduct based on their judgement of what is acceptable behaviour. Most people don't steal anything ever, not even when it's almost acceptable to do so (being given too much change at the checkout etc) and it's not because they are scared that if someone caught them they would go to jail, it's because they have developed a code of conduct where stealing is simply unacceptable behaviour. The same goes for the majority of criminal activity.

Where this breaks down most often is when there is a situation where strong emotion exacerabates a conflict situation which is when some of the most violent crimes occurr. The emotional force can override this code of conduct under these situations.

Of course the other big area for problems is when people don't learn what we as a society have deemed the appropriate code. This could be because they are mentally unable to make these type of connections, or it could be a result of living where the appropriate code of conduct has changed, or evolved differently, where survival is only possible by applying a more selfish code, a survival of the fittest as it were. Of course, it is most obvious that these codes of conduct are different when the two different sets of people colide at a flash point.

Interestingly, some people have endevoured to evolve a code of conduct that can be universally applied on a global scale. They have taken all the available information as pertains to giving the individual human being the means to grow from child to adult and live from adulthood through old age to a dignified death with all the necessary opportunities and freedoms from unecessary restrictions and suggested that the code of conduct that allows for this to happen to every single human being on the planet is the best code of conduct for humans on this planet. As yet, this code of conduct has not found favour with all the humans on the planet, but hopefully some day it will.

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I feel very assured by the fact that (at least to the best of my knowledge) no executed murderer has ever murdered again. I think this trumps your claim that

The system of trial and punishment by jail time is far more successful
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Only if you are retarded and can't see the wood for the trees. The success of the system is not measured by the successes or failures of individual cases.

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Nor am I talking about individual cases. In every case where a murderer was executed, that murderer ceased any further acts of violence on anyone. That is 100% success. Please show how prison reform even comes close to those statistics. I am doubtful that your claim to a successful reform program can even come remotely close.

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Where have I talked about reform programs? Go on, point it out. The system of trial and jail is successful in the whole, the sum of all the indvividual parts. An eye for an eye would never work as a succesful system, ever, never, not in a million years.

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Oh, and as for your 100% success, I guess that somewhat depends how one views the role of the exectutioner and how they view themselves and how society views the exectution process and the effect that has on society. However, that is rather a complicated issue.

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Please show me statistics where the death penalty actually a) saves taxpayers money or B) deters heinous crimes.

Life is life and while I realize those who commit such atrocities are not respecting life, I also do not see that killing does any good to rectify the horrors committed.

I also am completely flabbergasted that people who oppose abortion can be gung-ho about the death penalty. And yes, I'm talking about Mr. I'm Texan Bush. It's completely hypocritical to say that a woman who chooses abortion is a murderer and a judge (or whomever) who passes the death sentence is merely doing his or her job.

Bull. Life is life. Either protect it and let God be the judge or stfu.

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The judge is doing his job, the responsibilty for executions does not rest upon his shoulders alone. If a society chooses to use exection as part of the justice system each and every member of society is responsible for each death by execution.

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Where have I talked about reform programs? Go on, point it out. The system of trial and jail is successful in the whole, the sum of all the indvividual parts. An eye for an eye would never work as a succesful system, ever, never, not in a million years.

I guess you want to play games with semantics about "jail time". I am not in the mood. As for your OPINION about the success of "an eye for an eye", strictly your opinion as you cannot back up that with any factual data either. Lots of smoke but no fire.

When you cannot properly defend your own claims, you choose to muddy the waters by dragging the executioner into the melee. Nice try.

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What garbage and rather typical. Take the words I print, frame them into the mould of what you think I am saying and respond to that rather than that which is actually printed. I am not playing semantics.

Jail time does not automatically = reform. Jail can be simply, jail. There's your clue. Do with it whatever you want.

The exectutioner isn't dragged in by me. I would quite definitely not have any executioners dragged around anywhere. The importance of the effect of exectutions on society and the role of the executioner is fundamental to the argument of execution as part of the judicial process.

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Please show me statistics where the death penalty actually a) saves taxpayers money or B) deters heinous crimes.

Life is life and while I realize those who commit such atrocities are not respecting life, I also do not see that killing does any good to rectify the horrors committed.

I also am completely flabbergasted that people who oppose abortion can be gung-ho about the death penalty. And yes, I'm talking about Mr. I'm Texan Bush. It's completely hypocritical to say that a woman who chooses abortion is a murderer and a judge (or whomever) who passes the death sentence is merely doing his or her job.

Bull. Life is life. Either protect it and let God be the judge or stfu.

Whose God? The God that protected flight 93? The God that created the Tsunami?

How guilty do you feel when you step on a bug? Life is life, right?

Me thinks you put a little too much value on human life. Why are we better or worse than any other creature and where do you draw the line?

And nowhere have I claimed that prison time or death penalty saves or costs more money.

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What garbage and rather typical. Take the words I print, frame them into the mould of what you think I am saying and respond to that rather than that which is actually printed. I am not playing semantics.

Jail time does not automatically = reform. Jail can be simply, jail. There's your clue. Do with it whatever you want.

The exectutioner isn't dragged in by me. I would quite definitely not have any executioners dragged around anywhere. The importance of the effect of exectutions on society and the role of the executioner is fundamental to the argument of execution as part of the judicial process.

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