I need help understanding something

[almaty 19]

agreed..

[Peikko 1,575]

If you are working on a clock system they should pay you for what you clock no more, no less.

I wasn't suggesting that you took less time 'on purpose' but that if this is the their system works it's annoying and the easiest way to avoid it is probably just to clock on and off the way the system likes it regardless.

Anyway, you seem to have sorted the problem from what you say, payroll have agreed to make up the diff in this week's pay packet so fingers crossed.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

When I worked at the bookstore in CA, if you clocked in 5 minutes late it counted as though you were 15 minutes late.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

I worked for a company in Texas for a while with a confusing timeclock scheme. But basically, if you clock in within 15 minutes before your start time and clock out no later than 15 minutes after your leave time, you don't get paid for that extra time. So, in theory, you could work an extra 2.5 hours (roughly) a week and not get paid for it. This was a pretty big company that didn't allow shorts and required a preemployment drug test, so I imagine they were careful about not breaking any labor laws. I think there is some flexibility w/ time clocks. That's not to say that your employer didn't mess up or shortchange you, but maybe what they were trying to explain was similar to the scheme at the place I worked in TX. I was careful to work at least an extra half hour if I came in even a little late, and typically I'd have a couple hours of overtime by the end of the pay period.

[rmncm 0]

Hmm, I will never understand why people these days complain about 15 minutes here or 15 minutes there. You should be thankfull for a job in these tough ecconimic times. Whats 15 free minutes to a employer that gives you a job, stable income, insurance? ira? 410k? not sure of your benifits there.... Time is money and what is 15 minutes as a way to show gratitude to a employer?

My 2 cents

I understand your point of view, but if you read my OP, you'd see that this is not a complaint thread about being paid less than I've worked for. I'm asking people if I'm the only one who don't get my employer's math on this case.

You have no idea how many time I've worked 15 or 30 more minutes without complaining about.

I'm sorry, I did read your op and for some reason I did take it as you were complaining. For that I am very sorry. Many people these days want something for nothing or think it's there god given right to have everything on a silver platter. I am truly sorry once again.

[Peikko 1,575]

I've never worked a clock system but this just seems annoying as heck. Time sheets are much more flexible.

[Nessa 23]

I've never worked a clock system but this just seems annoying as heck. Time sheets are much more flexible.

it's my first time too.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I've never worked a clock system but this just seems annoying as heck. Time sheets are much more flexible.

They certainly are when the punch-in clock doesn't match the times of the other clocks in the place.

[morocco4ever 63]

Hmm, I will never understand why people these days complain about 15 minutes here or 15 minutes there. You should be thankfull for a job in these tough ecconimic times. Whats 15 free minutes to a employer that gives you a job, stable income, insurance? ira? 410k? not sure of your benifits there. My point is back in the old days before the 70's a employee would give extra to a employer not because he had to but because it showed a certain dedication to that employer. Now a days, how much time is wasted by the typical employee? I had a girlfriend some time ago that was here on a H2b visa from another country. If she go done with her work early, she would go sit in the dressing room of the hotel till her shift ended before clocking out. On the flip side if she didnt get her work done when her shift was up she was gone like the wind regardless.

Before my injury, I installed heating and air conditioning in both residential and commercial buildings. I was the foremare on many projects. You know how many times I had to write guys up for screwing arouond on the clock? It was anything from standing around talking, talking on the phone, texting his woman to spending a hour looking for a extension cord so he could listen to a radio. Now I challenge you to look at how you work...do you take personal calls even once in awhile? Send a text? Talk to your friends for even a minute or two? Think of over all labor if every one is doing that...over the course of a year, the numbers are stagering. The losses can equal raises based on pormance.

From my experience most people think that the buissness is lucky to have them as a employee, that the company could not function as well without them there...the truth is you are easly replacable, they can find 5 workers willing to work harder for less pay then you. Think about it. I have fired many guys over my 16 years of runing multi million dollar projects because they were screwing around sometimes. Time is money and what is 15 minutes as a way to show gratitude to a employer?

My 2 cents

Although you do have a valid point you must realize that there have been employers in the past that take advantage of their employees. Laws and regulations are set up to make it fair. This must be kept in mind.

They can warn you, and they can even fire you if you keep working overtime when you have been instructed not to, but if you worked it they are required to pay it.

I don't get this part. I never work OT without their knowledge. I do it when requested or when there are kids in the building after 1800 and I'm the one who locks the building and I have to stay with the kids until their parents come pick them up.

If you're talking about that day I only had time to take 45 min, it wasn't something that I had planned. I was busy during the morning, then I had to go have my CAC done, I expected to be back in time to take 1 hour break, but that didn't happen. Maybe if I knew that I wouldn't be able to take my 1 hour break I would've waited to have that done the next day, even though I wouldn't be able to do my job in the mean time.

Is this an online system or is this one of the older versions that you punch in and out? eds to turn them in for fixing the clock.

you put your 4 last, it's not a paper thing.

Oh sorry Nessa, I meant the poster that was saying that the used to work for a company that fixed their clocks to clock them out at their scheduled time.

Now I do have one thing to mention here. I remember the day that I thought salaried people were lucky... Soooo wrong! If I have no work to do I still have to be at the job for my scheduled time, even if it means playing games on the computer or goofing off on VJ. Trust me, that is not my preference! Now if I have additional work to do and need to stay late or work on the weekends, no additional pay. #######!!! If my job is done why can't I go home? Where is the benefit of being salaried...I just don't see it.

[Enlighten one :) 5]

If you worked an extra 15 minutes by law you must get paid for those 15min. It is not a law that you clock out for 1 hour lunch. That is usually a company policy and some are 30 minutes. I take anywheres from no break to an hour and half depending on my needs. I always make up that time, but some companies are just not that liberal.

I'm sure some smart VJ member here can help me understanding this situation. The reason I started a thread about it is that I can't get the stup!d thing out of my mind and it's driving me crazy .

I had a problem with a paycheck. It said I worked 79.7 hours instead of 80. So I called the financial lady and she tried to explain me the deal. I didn't get it. I sat with my boss who also explained to me what happened, still didn't get it.

So here's the deal: We clock in then out to lunch, then back in, then out. One day I clocked in at 900 then I was out of the office for most part of the afternoon, when I came back I clocked out to lunch at 1515. Then since the girl that work in the front desk leaves at 1600 and I had to be at the front desk for the rest of the day, I clocked back in at 1600, cuz I was only able to have 45 min break. So not only they didn't pay me for those 15 min I worked, they took off my paycheck 15 min. I never wanted them to pay me for those 15 minutes, cuz I know we are obligated to have 1 hour break and they won't pay you if you take less than an hour.

So to make it simple:

clock in 9am

clock out for lunch 3:15 pm

clock back in 4 pm

clock out 6 pm

total hours working: 8:15. amount paid 7:45

financial lady + boss explanation: the system acknowledge that if you work 8 hours a day, you will have 1 hour break. So you clocked out at 3:15 and back in at 4, instead of 4:15, the system automatically takes off 15 min. I don't get it.

For me it makes no sense at all, but maybe it's just me being blonde. Anyone?

[Peikko 1,575]

Some states to have regulations regarding breaks. Whether you take them or not, you have to reflect them on your time sheets or that company gets into doggy doo doo.

In California the payroll laws covering mandatory rest or meal breaks are a 30-minute meal break after five hours 30 minutes after 10 hours 10 minute rest after four hours.

It's possible that it is only 'hippy' Ca that has this particlular law

[Nessa 23]

i still don't get their math on that, and apparently neither does anybody else here. Maybe it's how it works on their planet and they understand what the rest of us humans can't

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

i still don't get their math on that, and apparently neither does anybody else here. Maybe it's how it works on their planet and they understand what the rest of us humans can't

the mwr time clocks in europe functioned like this: start at 1600, you clock in at 1553. you work until midnight, you clock out at 0007. due to the quarter hour rounding rule, the time you clocked in is rounded to 1600 and the clock out is rounded to midnight, and you worked 14 min for free. if you'd clocked in at 1552 and out at 0008 then that would result in a half hour of more pay, not a big deal unless the bean counters complain.

what you need to find out is what rounding schedule they use there.

[Nessa 23]

i still don't get their math on that, and apparently neither does anybody else here. Maybe it's how it works on their planet and they understand what the rest of us humans can't

the mwr time clocks in europe functioned like this: start at 1600, you clock in at 1553. you work until midnight, you clock out at 0007. due to the quarter hour rounding rule, the time you clocked in is rounded to 1600 and the clock out is rounded to midnight, and you worked 14 min for free. if you'd clocked in at 1552 and out at 0008 then that would result in a half hour of more pay, not a big deal unless the bean counters complain.

what you need to find out is what rounding schedule they use there.

the clocking system that if you work 8.25 hours they consider somehow 7.75. I guess you don't get their explanation either. I feel better now.

[Ggreen 12]

So to make it simple:

clock in 9am

clock out for lunch 3:15 pm

clock back in 4 pm

clock out 6 pm

total hours working: 8:15. amount paid 7:45

From 9:00 till 3:15 = 6:15 hours of work. no matter how long is lunch time, you need to work another 2:45 to complete 8:00 hours.

you came at 4:00 left at 6:00, only 2:00 hours... you need to leave at 6:45.