Illegal immigrant gives birth in custody with one leg cuffed to her bed

[Caladan 19]

If we could only concentrate the masses into camps...put them into train cars.

Thankfully, the best practices document for doing that efficiently to a very large number of people is still in existence... somewhere in Germany.

We could in the meantime, sew a little Mexican flag onto their clothing.

Are you for real Steven? Isn't that a bit over the top? It is way off the mark buddy. About like the analogy of the border wall being compared to the Berlin Wall.

A little sarcasm that's no less absurd than how this poor woman was treated. There's no getting around the fact that being here illegally is not a criminal offense. Efforts to round them up is as absurd as my comment.

It is within the law to arrest and detain illegal aliens for eventual deportation. The USA has only done it millions of times in the past and will do it millions of times in the future. Without enforcement of the laws there is anarchy. Illegal aliens should not be allowed to dictate US immigration policy. Giving illegal aliens permanent residency undermines US immigration laws and is, in effect, an open border policy.

While guys like you seem to believe that is just groovy. It ain't. This isn't the 19th or even the early 20th century anymore. America is a modern industrialized welfare state and allowing open immigration from the third world is suicide. But guys like you hate America anyway, so that sort of scenario makes you happy. As for me...I'm not suicidal.

Who should dictate immigration policy in this country, peejay?

The American people should decide their own national destiny. The laws pertaining illegal immigration are already on the books. Illegal aliens are deportable and subject to a ban on reentry according to the amount of time they were illegally present.

As usual though, stupid stories like this one turn into a bleeding heart liberal justification for open borders and illegal alien cheerleading.

Of course, no one here has said that she should stay, or that illegals shouldn't be deported, just that our policies, which often affect legal visitors and immigrants (like allousa's father-in-law) should respect the dignity of the human person.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Now what I was asking was why one clown being handcuffed, after being arrested, is outrageous; Regardless of her situation. Yet why there is little to no outrage from the same people when it comes to the numerous American citizens (children) who have lost their 'lives' at the hand of a negligent illegal immigrant.

Please surprise me and tell me that this isn't based on gut assumption.

[Heracles 417]

Some more info.

She received excellent and compassionate care at Nashville General

Paid for by the American taxpayer.

So what? That still doesn't justify inhumane treatment (It doesn't make any difference how many times you say or how many different ways you find to phrase it).

Re-Read the part in red.

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Lol. You probably have no issue with this story either.

Unemployed UK "Scrounger" With 11 Kids Stays Home Cause It Pays More

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/1002_scroungers.shtml

Edited July 22, 2008 by Aficionado

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Of course, no one here has said that she should stay, or that illegals shouldn't be deported, just that our policies, which often affect legal visitors and immigrants (like allousa's father-in-law) should respect the dignity of the human person.

[Amby 490]

She will do what everyone in her position does regarding making payments to the hospital. Hers is not a special case which is the point of this thread. She is not special so she should not have been treated differently to anyone else in similar circumstances. If she was treated differently there is a case to answer and if she was not, there isn't.

Illogical argument:

Claiming that being sympathtic to this illegal immigrant's seemingly inhuman treatment = having no sympathy for US citizens who are injured by the activity of other unrelated illegal immigrants. There is simply no correlation between the two.

my mom is a dr at a dr owned hospital. every year they have loads of patients with unpaid bills and every year they write that off of their profits if it isn't paid by some sort of donations or tax dollars.

eta: I'm not saying it's right or wrong I'm just saying it happens

Edited July 22, 2008 by Amby

[Heracles 417]

Now what I was asking was why one clown being handcuffed, after being arrested, is outrageous; Regardless of her situation. Yet why there is little to no outrage from the same people when it comes to the numerous American citizens (children) who have lost their 'lives' at the hand of a negligent illegal immigrant.

Please surprise me and tell me that this isn't based on gut assumption.

Refer to this post: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=2036590

Or are you stereotypically going to claim these stats as well as the hundreds of cases that pop up in a google search are made up?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Re-Read the part in red.

I think you need to read a little bit further and see what the folks in the hospital actually said.

Hint: The doctors weren't the ones who shackled the woman to the bed as she was going into labour and immediately after she'd given birth, and wouldn't take it off when she needed to go to the toilet.

Lol. You probably have no issue with this story either.

Unemployed UK "Scrounger" With 11 Kids Stays Home Cause It Pays More

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/1002_scroungers.shtml

Excuse me - what story did I say I didn't have a problem with in the first place?

What does this have to do with anything I've said in this thread. I'm sorry you can't compute this and I've done my best to explain it a way that even Clint Eastwood's Orangutan could understand it... My objection is based exclusively on the woman's alleged treatment. As I said several times - the treatment is separate to her *crime*.

Now what I was asking was why one clown being handcuffed, after being arrested, is outrageous; Regardless of her situation. Yet why there is little to no outrage from the same people when it comes to the numerous American citizens (children) who have lost their 'lives' at the hand of a negligent illegal immigrant.

Please surprise me and tell me that this isn't based on gut assumption.

Refer to this post: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=2036590

Or are you stereotypically going to claim these stats as well as the hundreds of cases that pop up in a google search are made up?

OK... That still doesn't answer the question as to what you base "there is little to no outrage from the same people" on...

[Heracles 417]

OK... That still doesn't answer the question as to what you base "there is little to no outrage from the same people" on...

Quite simple actually 6.

The responses or lack of.

[Heracles 417]

She will do what everyone in her position does regarding making payments to the hospital. Hers is not a special case which is the point of this thread. She is not special so she should not have been treated differently to anyone else in similar circumstances. If she was treated differently there is a case to answer and if she was not, there isn't.

Illogical argument:

Claiming that being sympathtic to this illegal immigrant's seemingly inhuman treatment = having no sympathy for US citizens who are injured by the activity of other unrelated illegal immigrants. There is simply no correlation between the two.

my mom is a dr at a dr owned hospital. every year they have loads of patients with unpaid bills and every year they write that off of their profits if it isn't paid by some sort of donations or tax dollars.

eta: I'm not saying it's right or wrong I'm just saying it happens

And why should the hospital absorb the cost. Especially when American citizens are going bankrupt trying to pay for medical bills yet illegal immigrants basically get a free lunch. They are pretty much stealing.

If this happened to any American I would have a totally different stance.

Edited July 22, 2008 by Aficionado

[Peikko 1,575]

Sheesh, unbelievable. You want to bring in a hole bunch of unrelated material and have everyone express their outrage over it and when someone points out that it isn't relevant to the OP you get all pissy like it's some kind of outrage competition? Incredible!

Edited July 22, 2008 by Purple_Hibiscus

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I agree, they are stealing.

However, we don't routinely shackle thieves ankles to their beds while they're in labor.

Unless they're unlucky enough to be a Mexican illegal immigrant in bumblefukc, Tennessee.

[Peikko 1,575]

She will do what everyone in her position does regarding making payments to the hospital. Hers is not a special case which is the point of this thread. She is not special so she should not have been treated differently to anyone else in similar circumstances. If she was treated differently there is a case to answer and if she was not, there isn't.

Illogical argument:

Claiming that being sympathtic to this illegal immigrant's seemingly inhuman treatment = having no sympathy for US citizens who are injured by the activity of other unrelated illegal immigrants. There is simply no correlation between the two.

my mom is a dr at a dr owned hospital. every year they have loads of patients with unpaid bills and every year they write that off of their profits if it isn't paid by some sort of donations or tax dollars.

eta: I'm not saying it's right or wrong I'm just saying it happens

And why should the hospital absorb the cost. Especially when American citizens are going bankrupt trying to pay for medical bills yet illegal immigrants basically get a free lunch. They are pretty much stealing.

If this happened to any American I would have a totally different stance.

It's really very simple. The US treats everyone who is on US soil with humanity regardless of their legal status. That's all there is. Nothing more, nothing less and it's not going to change just because you think it's not fair.

[Heracles 417]

Sheesh, unbelievable. You want to bring in a hole bunch of unrelated material and have everyone express their outrage over it and when someone points out that it isn't relevant to the OP you get all pissy like it's some kind of outrage competition? Incredible!

Interesting way you put it considering that I am ironically trying to determine others reasoning by bring up the other material. It is clear that a lot of people here formulate opinions based on emotion rather than right or wrong. Or what is in the interest of Americans. America is not the UN or Unicef. Some people seem to forget that. It is also not the UK where someone can get a free lunch while others cheer on..

Edited July 22, 2008 by Aficionado

[Heracles 417]

It's really very simple. The US treats everyone who is on US soil with humanity regardless of their legal status. That's all there is. Nothing more, nothing less and it's not going to change just because you think it's not fair.

Well obviously that is not the case. Hence why she was cuffed at her ankle.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

OK... That still doesn't answer the question as to what you base "there is little to no outrage from the same people" on...

Quite simple actually 6.

The responses or lack of.

Duh... because the focus of this thread is the treatment of this woman in police custody, and because you introduced those stories into the thread in such a way as to suggest that her treatment is somehow justified as a result of what other people did.

But if you seriously feel the need to ask me straight up if I'm *happy* or OK with anyone being killed on the roads by undocumented immigrants or no - then you really are f*cking stupid...

Here's a clue: No!.