New Theories Urgently Needed

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Thanks for the correction. But would you agree perhaps - that people like that cast the entire armed services into disrepute?

Of course it doesn't help that the war was very unpopular to begin with.

That is actually not true, at least according to this polling report summary. In the beginning support for the war was very high- about 75%. Support for Iraq policies by year.

I guess that depends whether you believe the polls or the many thousands of people protesting in the streets. Usually the 'truth' is somewhere in-between.

Actually, as long as people believed the case the administration made for marching in (the Saddam - 9/11 connection, for example, that that was nothing but smoke and mirrors put out by Bush & Co. to trump up public support for this illegal adventure), public support was there. Only when it became undeniably clear to anyone with a shred of indepent thinking left that the war was based on lies did the public support vanish.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Thanks for the correction. But would you agree perhaps - that people like that cast the entire armed services into disrepute?

Of course it doesn't help that the war was very unpopular to begin with.

That is actually not true, at least according to this polling report summary. In the beginning support for the war was very high- about 75%. Support for Iraq policies by year.

I guess that depends whether you believe the polls or the many thousands of people protesting in the streets. Usually the 'truth' is somewhere in-between.

Actually, as long as people believed the case the administration made for marching in (the Saddam - 9/11 connection, for example, that that was nothing but smoke and mirrors put out by Bush & Co. to trump up public support for this illegal adventure), public support was there. Only when it became undeniably clear to anyone with a shred of indepent thinking left that the war was based on lies did the public support vanish.

That's the trick though - I don't think a lot of people were ever convinced. Speaking for myself and a lot of people I know from back home - we were never convinced by the case for war as presented by Bush and Blair.

The evidence was flimsy at the outset, it was obvious from the get-go we were being rail-roaded into something that was quite separate to 9/11.

I have to wonder where this public support was coming from, or was that exaggerated also?

[dalegg 143]

Thanks for the correction. But would you agree perhaps - that people like that cast the entire armed services into disrepute?

Of course it doesn't help that the war was very unpopular to begin with.

That is actually not true, at least according to this polling report summary. In the beginning support for the war was very high- about 75%. Support for Iraq policies by year.

I guess that depends whether you believe the polls or the many thousands of people protesting in the streets. Usually the 'truth' is somewhere in-between.

If you look at the link, as time went by the polls show public opinion gradually eroding to about the level I would believe it is now. You can't believe only the part of the report that supports your gut feelings, or do you think support for the war is even lower now than the polls show?

Many thousands protesting in the streets? I don't remember many thousands of people protesting in the streets in March of 2003. Even if there were 10,000 protesters in the streets, that would be a very small percentage of America.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Thanks for the correction. But would you agree perhaps - that people like that cast the entire armed services into disrepute?

Of course it doesn't help that the war was very unpopular to begin with.

That is actually not true, at least according to this polling report summary. In the beginning support for the war was very high- about 75%. Support for Iraq policies by year.

I guess that depends whether you believe the polls or the many thousands of people protesting in the streets. Usually the 'truth' is somewhere in-between.

If you look at the link, as time went by the polls show public opinion gradually eroding to about the level I would believe it is now. You can't believe only the part of the report that supports your gut feelings, or do you think support for the war is even lower now than the polls show?

Many thousands protesting in the streets? I don't remember many thousands of people protesting in the streets in March of 2003. Even if there were 10,000 protesters in the streets, that would be a very small percentage of America.

I wasn't necessarily talking about America. Nearly a million people marched in London - that's a hefty degree of dissent don't you think?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2765041.stm

Edited May 19, 2006 by Fishdude

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I have to wonder where this public support was coming from, or was that exaggerated also?

I think that support was actually there at some point. A lot of people bought into this BS.

[dalegg 143]

That's the trick though - I don't think a lot of people were ever convinced. Speaking for myself and a lot of people I know from back home - we were never convinced by the case for war as presented by Bush and Blair.

The evidence was flimsy at the outset, it was obvious from the get-go we were being rail-roaded into something that was quite separate to 9/11.

I have to wonder where this public support was coming from, or was that exaggerated also?

The public support (in the US) was not exaggerated. The fact that he was re-elected in 2004 proves it. My recollection of the way the rest of the world was that they did not support it from the get go, but here in the U.S it was a different story.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's the trick though - I don't think a lot of people were ever convinced. Speaking for myself and a lot of people I know from back home - we were never convinced by the case for war as presented by Bush and Blair.

The evidence was flimsy at the outset, it was obvious from the get-go we were being rail-roaded into something that was quite separate to 9/11.

I have to wonder where this public support was coming from, or was that exaggerated also?

The public support (in the US) was not exaggerated. The fact that he was re-elected in 2004 proves it. My recollection of the way the rest of the world was that they did not support it from the get go, but here in the U.S it was a different story.

Weird considering we all got the same information...

Still.....

Edited May 19, 2006 by Fishdude

[yabasta 0]

Ignoring the previous points for now.

As for support for the war and Bush i want to say a few things.

I think there was a lot of support for the war in both countries(UK and USA) from what i saw but it is hard to judge how widespread support is. Polls and elections are questionable. Take the U.S. election for example. A lot of people didn`t vote (not sure of the turn out exactly) and a number of people i think voted for Bush as they feared getting Kerry elected. So it might not have been so much support for Bush as lack of support for Kerry.

The war did have a lot of support and you anti war movement also had a lot of support. Also you have the number of people who perhaps were not able to get to the protests but still supported the anti war movement. Semantics yes but if you are sayign 10 000 is not much then that assumes that all those who are against the war attend protests.

Just a point i wanted to make.

Edited May 19, 2006 by yabasta

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ignoring the previous points for now.

As for support for the war and Bush i want to say a few things.

I think there was a lot of support for the war in both countries(UK and USA) from what i saw but it is hard to judge how widespread support is. Polls and elections are questionable. Take the U.S. election for example. A lot of people didn`t vote (not sure of the turn out exactly) and a number of people i think voted for Bush as they feared getting Kerry elected. So it might not have been so much support for Bush as lack of support for Kerry.

The war did have a lot of support and you anti war movement also had a lot of support. Also you have the number of people who perhaps were not able to get to the protests but still supported the anti war movement. Semantics yes but if you are sayign 10 000 is not much then that assumes that all those who are against the war attend protests.

Just a point i wanted to make.

There's nothing more profound than stating the obvious

[LiszyandKenny 5]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

My fiance asked me to post it here

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Some people still think that Princess Diana was "done-in" by a hit-man hired by the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh.

[dalegg 143]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

My fiance asked me to post it here

An hour and a half. Can't believe I watched the whole thing but I was riveted. Got to admit it has me a bit nervous.

[yabasta 0]

There's nothing more profound than stating the obvious

The obvious is not always obvious to all so if it doesn`t get pointed out it might never get known. Or something.

As for Diana there is plenty of reason to think she was bumped off by the Royals. Just because it can`t be proved 100% doesn`t mean it is not possible.

Loose Change second edition is a well put together documentary. There are a lot of good and not so good 9/11 documentaries out there. Most of them don`t have Michael Moore`s budget but some of them are just on the money with little money. In Plane Sight and Road to Tyranny are worth viewing and can both be found online no doubt.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There's nothing more profound than stating the obvious

As for Diana there is plenty of reason to think she was bumped off by the Royals. Just because it can`t be proved 100% doesn`t mean it is not possible.

Oh Brother.... It can't (and hasn't) be proved at all. My problem with these 'theories' is that simple common sense should discount them. You can't substitute wishful thinking (which is basically what this is) for the absence of facts.

[rbhigday 0]

hmmm I am suprised no one brought up the "theory" that elvis is still alive, Diana and JFk made the cut, but alas i guess maybe elvis really is dead.