McCain addresses La Raza, reaffirms support for comprehensive immigration reform (a.k.a. amnesty)

[Heracles 417]

I suspect if Australia had the entire Asian subcontinent attached to it by land - you'd have a much higher illegal immigration problem than you do.

I am not denying that. But they would also have the appropriate laws in place to deal with it to protect the Australian people and their sovereignty.

And that is coming for a nation truly built on immigrants.

[Heracles 417]

Nice dodge there, Hombre, but the point remains that for the anti-illegal immigrant crowd, they have no real candidate in this presidential election, so the question is, will all the whining about illegal immigrants stop?

I agree there. Very few politicians, if any, care about the majority. They are interest in winning votes and lining the pockets of their rich buddies. Be it left or right. The rest are just ignorant and think that letting anyone in the country without any background checks, quotas etc is the humane thing to do. Which is not the case. More like the formula for turning a country into a 3rd world nation.

Edited July 16, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I suspect if Australia had the entire Asian subcontinent attached to it by land - you'd have a much higher illegal immigration problem than you do.

I am not denying that. But they would also have the appropriate laws in place to deal with it to protect the Australian people and their sovereignty.

And that is coming for a nation truly built on immigrants.

Well that's a big assumption really - assuming there isn't a significant prescence of 3rd or 4th generation ethnic immigrants from this hypothetical scenario, who make up a significant proportion of the voting public.

Add that to your equation and you'll arrive at a situation not too dissimilar from the US.

[Heracles 417]

Well that's a big assumption really - assuming there isn't a significant prescence of 3rd or 4th generation ethnic immigrants from this hypothetical scenario, who make up a significant proportion of the voting public.

Add that to your equation and you'll arrive at a situation not too dissimilar from the US.

We don't vote on race in Aus. There is a huge Asian, Greek/Italian, Middle Eastern demographic in Australia. I have never ever heard a politician trying to pander to one community. We are all Australian. Therefore the politicians are trying to put their views across rather than winning over a race.

Whereas here it is all about winning the two major groups. Black and Latinos. #### everyone else. The must just be worthless tax payers.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well that's a big assumption really - assuming there isn't a significant prescence of 3rd or 4th generation ethnic immigrants from this hypothetical scenario, who make up a significant proportion of the voting public.

Add that to your equation and you'll arrive at a situation not too dissimilar from the US.

We don't vote on race in Aus. There is a huge Asian, Greek/Italian, Middle Eastern demographic in Australia. I have never ever heard a politician trying to pander to one community. We are all Australian. Therefore the politicians are trying to put their views across rather than winning over a race.

Whereas here it is all about winning the two major groups. Black and Latinos. #### everyone else. The must just be worthless tax payers.

Its not a question of voting "for race", but rather individual communities promoting their own interests. The UK has the same thing with Pakistani & Indian immigrants.

[Heracles 417]

Its not a question of voting "for race", but rather individual communities promoting their own interests. The UK has the same thing with Pakistani & Indian immigrants.

Which is basically racist. What can you do for my race, aka 'La Raza', style attitude. I was never raised to think about race. When I was in Australia I am Australian. If I was to become an American citizen I would consider myself an American. I would not sit there and conveniently use the race card to get my way. Yet also use it when I am not getting my way.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its not a question of voting "for race", but rather individual communities promoting their own interests. The UK has the same thing with Pakistani & Indian immigrants.

Which is basically racist. What can you do for my race, aka 'La Raza', style attitude. I was never raised to think about race. When I was in Australia I am Australian. If I was to become an American citizen I would consider myself an American. I would not sit there and conveniently use the race card to get my way. Yet also use it when I am not getting my way.

Racism. Maybe - but there's more to it than that. If half your family lives in the US and the other half lives in Mexico I imagine your attitude to these things would be a little more fluid. Family loyalty, I imagine will always trump loyalty to a country.

[zqt3344 21]

He is just shucking and jiving them, like Barry always does, took a page out of the Ovomit campaign play book. Go McCain!

he's a sellout.